How to build a home network for 2Gbps network speed ?

[rickelitep]

Hi ,

On the next week I am able to upgrade my internet package to 2000mbit down / 500mbit up with a new type of cable which called optical(fiber).
I would like to use the highest bandwidth as possible on my PC. I've already read about aggregation technology(LACP) but its for file transport (server,NAS). At least I want to know the right way because my local friends/specialists told me " It will cost more than you ever think" or " No, It's impossible for home using" . Actually everyone told me excuses instead of normal answer.

I am going to buy a new router like ASUS RT-AC5300 or ASUS RT-AC88U (maybe AC87U).

So, the setup will look like this : Telekom(ONT) device - My router (AC5300/88U/87U here I share wifi connection to my devices) and what now ? How to plug this kind of internet speed directly to my PC ? ( The ONT device has 4 - 1Gbps ports) I am not as stupid , I know 2Gbps needs more than 1Gbps port. Not at least I've already learnt CAT types.

I saw 10Gbps network PCIe cards which can hold that speed but all of them has only one port. Some of them have 2 ports but they very expensive.I think about to buy a new 1Gbps pcie network card and I use two cat cables between my router and the pc ,maybe a software can manage the speed(packages) or I don't know.

SHORT VERSION : I want to get almost 2000mbit download and 500mbit upload speed on my PC.
How can i make this to work ?

I am not a network specialist but I did my best to increase my knowledge about this problem.

PC : Asus maximus hero 7,Enermax revolution 1000w 80+,Win10 64bit
Two devices with cable and 10 or sometimes more devices on wifi.

Appreciate any kind of answers.

 

[USAFRet]

2000mbit down / 500mbit

How many users or devices will use this, and how much more $$ is it over a 1gbps connection?

 

[rickelitep]

1 PC (main) , 2 laptop and 8 mobiles/tablets sometimes a bit more. This package costs 7 dollar more than the normal 1Gbps.

 

[USAFRet]

1 PC (main) , 2 laptop and 8 mobiles/tablets sometimes a bit more. This package costs 7 dollar more than the normal 1Gbps.

That number of devices will never saturate a 1gbps connection, much less 2gbps.
The servers you are connecting to will never deliver anything close to 2gbps.

And of course, the WiFi devices will never, ever get anywhere close to that.

You'll be spending a lot of money on new NIC's, router, switches, and wiring for zero performance gain.


Get the 2gbps connection if you must.
Use your current devices.
Some years from now, when faster consumer grade equipment is available at a reasonable price...then you might think about upgrading.

 

[rickelitep]

1 PC (main) , 2 laptop and 8 mobiles/tablets sometimes a bit more. This package costs 7 dollar more than the normal 1Gbps.

That number of devices will never saturate a 1gbps connection, much less 2gbps.
The servers you are connecting to will never deliver anything close to 2gbps.

And of course, the WiFi devices will never, ever get anywhere close to that.

You'll be spending a lot of money on new NIC's, router, switches, and wiring for zero performance gain.


Get the 2gbps connection if you must.
Use your current devices.
Some years from now, when faster consumer grade equipment is available at a reasonable price...then you might think about upgrading.

My current internet is horribly and the devices almost 5 years old. My current router is just 10/100 ... cmon
I am upgrading anyway because i need a faster internet. I don't understand why is this so important, really. They will come here on 19th next week. So , you think my future ISP will be s*cks ? That's really promising
This is the same answer what I've got from my local experts ... and it still confuses me.. You looks like an expert too , Can you tell to me which devices should i buy IF I would like to build this network ? I can't imagine this is too hard for a specialist.
I seriously hate those situations when I don't understand something. Even If I don't have enough money for it or worth/not worth it.

 

[USAFRet]

If your current router is 10/100...then obviously change that.
10/100/1000 is the norm, has been for years.
Cheap and easy. Handled by regular Cat5e wiring throughout the house.

Going to another level of a full 2gbps connection is a whole other level of pain and cost.

 

[USAFRet]

And I'm not saying that your ISP may suck.
But all the other servers you connect to will not deliver a 2gbps feed to your house.

For instance...you can't make Steam deliver to you faster than what they want to deliver to you.
They do not have an unlimited feed speed.

 

[Solandri]

My current internet is horribly and the devices almost 5 years old. My current router is just 10/100 ... cmon
I am upgrading anyway because i need a faster internet. I don't understand why is this so important, really. They will come here on 19th next week. So , you think my future ISP will be s*cks ? That's really promising
This is the same answer what I've got from my local experts ... and it still confuses me.. You looks like an expert too ,

He's one of the best exports on this site. He's making a fuss about it because it sounds like your ISP will be charging you $7/mo for a feature you'll never use. i.e. Free money for them.

To take advantage of it depends on what modem the ISP gives you. If you're lucky, it'll be a combo modem/router. While no single device will be able to use more than 1 Gbps, you could in theory exceed 1 Gbps between multiple devices.

If they only provide a modem, you'll have to ask them what sort of connection the modem outputs to the router. If it's 10 Gbps ethernet, the only non-commercial router I could find which (might) support it (can't tell from the specs) is this one:

https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/ROG-Rapture-GT-AX11000/specifications/

I concur with USAFRet. Unless you absolutely need >1 Gbps, save some money and go with the 1 Gbps plan.

 

[RealBeast]

Take USAFRet's excellent advice.

Your router will have a maximum WAN to LAN throughput of 941Mpbs for any top end current consumer router as you can see HERE, and doing anything to move above that will require quite expensive commercial equipment for no real reason.

 

[rickelitep]

My current internet is horribly and the devices almost 5 years old. My current router is just 10/100 ... cmon
I am upgrading anyway because i need a faster internet. I don't understand why is this so important, really. They will come here on 19th next week. So , you think my future ISP will be s*cks ? That's really promising
This is the same answer what I've got from my local experts ... and it still confuses me.. You looks like an expert too ,

He's one of the best exports on this site. He's making a fuss about it because it sounds like your ISP will be charging you $7/mo for a feature you'll never use. i.e. Free money for them.

To take advantage of it depends on what modem the ISP gives you. If you're lucky, it'll be a combo modem/router. While no single device will be able to use more than 1 Gbps, you could in theory exceed 1 Gbps between multiple devices.

If they only provide a modem, you'll have to ask them what sort of connection the modem outputs to the router. If it's 10 Gbps ethernet, the only non-commercial router I could find which (might) support it (can't tell from the specs) is this one:

https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/ROG-Rapture-GT-AX11000/specifications/

I concur with USAFRet. Unless you absolutely need >1 Gbps, save some money and go with the 1 Gbps plan.

I didn't say anything wrong about him. As I said : He looks like a specialist , don't misunderstand each other. I called them and it will be a combo modem/router. I agree with you guys but I can't change size of the package because I've already requested this one with two years loyalty. It's too late now but no problem.
Anyways I want to share this speed between multiple devices. I will share with other two laptops and my PC. In this case I don't waste that extra 7 dollar. I got it finally

 

[rickelitep]

Take USAFRet's excellent advice.

Your router will have a maximum WAN to LAN throughput of 941Mpbs for any top end current consumer router as you can see HERE, and doing anything to move above that will require quite expensive commercial equipment for no real reason.

I got it Thanks the help to everyone.
I still curious what is the next step ? " Quite expensive commercial equipment" as you wrote. Really, I am digging in every day deeper in this topic and now I would like to see that seriously expensive device(s). Can you link one ?

 

[USAFRet]

You need 10gb LAN adapters for all your wired devices.
You need new Cat6a wiring between the devices and your router
You need a 10gbe capable router and modem (ask your ISP which modem you need)
If there are any switches, you need 10gbe switches

Your WiFi devices are of no consequence, and will not even get a little bit close to 1gbps sustained speed, much less twice that. All of them combined at the same moment.

After all that investment, you'll still see "download" speeds far less than 1gbs.

The extra $7/month for the theoretical 2gbps from the ISP is fine. Trivial. Do that if you want.
All the other equipment you'll need is the problem.

If you were running an internet cafe, with 50-100 hardwired devices...then maybe I could see that investment.
1 PC and 2 laptops? Hardly.

 

[rickelitep]

You need 10gb LAN adapters for all your wired devices.
You need new Cat6a wiring between the devices and your router
You need a 10gbe capable router and modem (ask your ISP which modem you need)
If there are any switches, you need 10gbe switches

Your WiFi devices are of no consequence, and will not even get a little bit close to 1gbps sustained speed, much less twice that. All of them combined at the same moment.

After all that investment, you'll still see "download" speeds far less than 1gbs.

The extra $7/month for the theoretical 2gbps from the ISP is fine. Trivial. Do that if you want.
All the other equipment you'll need is the problem.

If you were running an internet cafe, with 50-100 hardwired devices...then maybe I could see that investment.
1 PC and 2 laptops? Hardly.

10gb lan adapter and Cat6a cable is not a problem. The 10gb router is the problem (+switch) those costs almost 700$ each but I give a shot and ask my ISP tomorrow.

This is what I want to see.Thanks !
I really appreciate your help and patience !

You are the first one who answered my question directly even If It's not worth the money.

What do you think asus ac87u will be fine for push out the highest speed ?
I found some benchmark sites and asus routers performs bad in WAN to LAN Throughput - TCP benchmarks. These are real ? Those results stunned me ... I thought asus routers are top class, maybe I was wrong.

 

[USAFRet]

What do you think asus ac87u will be fine for push out the highest speed ?
I found some benchmark sites and asus routers performs bad in WAN to LAN Throughput - TCP benchmarks. These are real ? Those results stunned me ... I thought asus routers are top class, maybe I was wrong.

Yeah, it seems an OK gigabit router. No better or worse than any other top end router.
I have no personal info on that, good or bad.

The "super-fast speeds of up to 1734 Mbps at 5 GHz" is pure advertising copy. Only theoretically possible in pristine lab conditions. And then...only 1/2 that. TX-RX, transmit/receive.
Never ever would you see that on a WiFi device.

In theory, my truck will do 110mph. Real world says different.

"gigabit router', meaning your 2gbps is null and void. 1gbps on the LAN ports.

 

[rickelitep]

What do you think asus ac87u will be fine for push out the highest speed ?
I found some benchmark sites and asus routers performs bad in WAN to LAN Throughput - TCP benchmarks. These are real ? Those results stunned me ... I thought asus routers are top class, maybe I was wrong.

Yeah, it seems an OK gigabit router. No better or worse than any other top end router.
I have no personal info on that, good or bad.

The "super-fast speeds of up to 1734 Mbps at 5 GHz" is pure advertising copy. Only theoretically possible in pristine lab conditions. And then...only 1/2 that. TX-RX, transmit/receive.
Never ever would you see that on a WiFi device.

In theory, my truck will do 110mph. Real world says different.

"gigabit router', meaning your 2gbps is null and void. 1gbps on the LAN ports.

Nice example gotcha But wait a second my 2Gbps speed is zero ? What ? :O I planned this connection :
-> 2000/500 going to ONT ( with two CAT6 cabels ) -> going to my router and from here -> one cat6 cable going to my pc and an another one to laptop.
I can't split out that speed between two or three devices that speed ? I don't want the max speed on one client , I just want that 1gbps to one device which one cable capable to manage it. Here is a 2000mbit which means i can easily split the speed between two devices without any problems right ? And those two devices got their 1gbps, am I wrong ? I don't understand now.
Maybe I need a router with two 1gbps wan ports or one 10gbps wan port ? or two router ?

 

[USAFRet]

A 2gbps connection and 2 devices....they do not each get a 1gbps connection aggregating to 2gbps.
That's not how it works.

The ONT will not talk to two individual Cat6a cables.
The 1gbps modem/router will only accept 1gbps.

The ports on the router will each deliver 1gbps, but the upstream from the "modem" will not talk 2gbps.
2 cables from your router to the modem does not work like that.
Unless, of course, you buy some special commercial grade ($$$$) router/modem thing.

And, as mentioned above....2gbps from any external server (outboard of your ISP) is wildly unrealistic.


What you need to internalize is this:

I am not a network specialis

Us out here are telling you that it does not work the way you think it might. At all.
And some of us are "network specialists".

 

[USAFRet]

What you desire can be done.
For a huge investment and zero user facing performance gain.

 

[rickelitep]

A 2gbps connection and 2 devices....they do not each get a 1gbps connection aggregating to 2gbps.
That's not how it works.

The ONT will not talk to two individual Cat6a cables.
The 1gbps modem/router will only accept 1gbps.

The ports on the router will each deliver 1gbps, but the upstream from the "modem" will not talk 2gbps.
2 cables from your router to the modem does not work like that.
Unless, of course, you buy some special commercial grade ($$$$) router/modem thing.

And, as mentioned above....2gbps from any external server (outboard of your ISP) is wildly unrealistic.


What you need to internalize is this:

I am not a network specialis

Us out here are telling you that it does not work the way you think it might. At all.
And some of us are "network specialists".

Yes , I just realized .... OMG this is so big fail. I planned everything around this circle. One router in the worst case and everything will be fine. Nope, not at all. I am sorry about that , I don't want to waste your time and patience I'm ashamed.
What should I do now ? I can't cancel that package , it's too late.
Do I need a switch ? Can you link one of that commercial grade expensive device ? At this point it doesn't matter. I need to do something.
What happens if I buy two routers ? for an example : one for me ( i dont need wifi here ) and one with good wifi like asus ac87u ?
I'm shocked.

 

[USAFRet]

Your ONT and a modem will not talk to two routers. Only one.
Can't split it like that.

Just get one single gigabit router.
Use that.

The fact that you're paying for a "2gbps" connection from the ISP only matters in the case that you're paying an extra $7/month for it.

 

[rickelitep]

Your ONT and a modem will not talk to two routers. Only one.
Can't split it like that.

Just get one single gigabit router.
Use that.

The fact that you're paying for a "2gbps" connection from the ISP only matters in the case that you're paying an extra $7/month for it.

Awesome ... I f*cked it up , as well as possible ... I promised to other "users" to get a very good speed and you can download/upload whatever you want at anytime ...
You know what , I want to build it anyways at least I try. Can you link a product which can fix my problem ? So I need something which can hold 2gbps and split out between 2-3 devices.
Thanks again !

 

[USAFRet]

You promised "other "users" to get a very good speed and you can download/upload whatever you want at anytime".
Your friends, outside the house?

And you're going to have a 2gbpsDOWN/500mbpsUP connection?

Guess what...your upstream is 500mbps.
1/4 of your magical 2gbps downstream.
0.5gbps.

Easily handled by any good consumer grade gigabit router.

 

[rickelitep]

You promised "other "users" to get a very good speed and you can download/upload whatever you want at anytime".
Your friends, outside the house?

And you're going to have a 2gbpsDOWN/500mbpsUP connection?

Guess what...your upstream is 500mbps.
1/4 of your magical 2gbps downstream.
0.5gbps.

Easily handled by any good consumer grade gigabit router.

It's a bit complicated , hard to describe. You call friends whatever but inside the house.
Thanks the advice. Like this : ASUS XG-U2008 or this MIKROTIK RB3011UiAS-RM gonna work with ONT ?
ASUS XG-U2008 + ASUS XG-C100C + CAT6a cables gonna work ?

 

[USAFRet]

Whatever device talks directly to the ONT...you need to talk to your ISP for what will actually work.

 

[rickelitep]

Alright , alright Thanks the help and everything. I won't bother you anymore

 

[USAFRet]

Alright , alright Thanks the help and everything. I won't bother you anymore

No prob.
But the device you listed..."ASUS XG-U2008"...is simply a switch. That will not work trying to talk to the ONT.

Speak to your ISP. They're providing this fast connection. They know what will and won't work. Hopefully.