How to Play A Wish spell correct?

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Ok, I play one of the Judgment Wishes, for example Burning Wish.

Burning Wish
{1}{R}
Sorcery
Choose a sorcery card you own from outside the game, reveal that card, and
put it into your hand. Remove Burning Wish from the game.

How to play it correctly, so that I won't get into any Judge-bashing?

The way I see it: You play the wish, it resolves, and then you get to search
through removed-from-the-game-zone for a card (this includes your
sideboard).

- You don't have to pick a target (the printed version speaks of a target;
you don't have to pick a target now before looking at your sideboard)
- The sideboard as a whole isn't revealed to your opponent, only you see it.
- The choosing of a card happens during resolution, and after you saw your
sideboard.


A general question about removed-from-the-game: If a card doesn't
specifically say it, are the card removed face down or face up?

Thnx in advance,

Duif

 

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"Guido Roest" <m.roest4@chello.nl> writes:
> Ok, I play one of the Judgment Wishes, for example Burning Wish.
>
> Burning Wish
> {1}{R}
> Sorcery
> Choose a sorcery card you own from outside the game, reveal that
> card, and put it into your hand. Remove Burning Wish from the game.
>
> How to play it correctly, so that I won't get into any Judge-bashing?
>
> The way I see it: You play the wish, it resolves, and then you get
> to search through removed-from-the-game-zone for a card (this
> includes your sideboard).

That is correct (although the RFG zone doesn't really contain your
sideboard, they are just both "outside the game".

> - You don't have to pick a target (the printed version speaks of a
> target; you don't have to pick a target now before looking at your
> sideboard)

Right. You don't choose the target ahead of time. The English printed
version doesn't mention a "target" anywhere, and any translation or
printing that did so was a misprint or mistranslation.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/autocard.asp?name=Burning%20Wish

> - The sideboard as a whole isn't revealed to your opponent, only you see it.

That is correct.

> - The choosing of a card happens during resolution, and after you
> saw your sideboard.

While you're choosing a card, you get to look through your
sideboard. This is an exception to the normal rule that you can't look
through your sideboard.

> A general question about removed-from-the-game: If a card doesn't
> specifically say it, are the card removed face down or face up?

It's face up (and visible to your opponent). Face down cards can't be
retrieved by any Wish except Death Wish, as you can't be sure that the
card has the required properties. Even if you are sure, you still
can't. If you want to get a face-down card with Death Wish, you have
to get a random one since the Wish can't tell the difference between
them.

> Thnx in advance,

You're welcome.

--
Peter C.
Any noun can be verbed.

 

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Guido Roest <m.roest4@chello.nl> wrote:

> Ok, I play one of the Judgment Wishes, for example Burning Wish.
>
> Burning Wish
> {1}{R}
> Sorcery
> Choose a sorcery card you own from outside the game, reveal that card, and
> put it into your hand. Remove Burning Wish from the game.
>
> How to play it correctly, so that I won't get into any Judge-bashing?
>
> The way I see it: You play the wish, it resolves, and then you get to search
> through removed-from-the-game-zone for a card (this includes your
> sideboard).
>
> - You don't have to pick a target

Indeed. I see no target here, and it's not a local enchantment spell.

> (the printed version speaks of a target;
> you don't have to pick a target now before looking at your sideboard)

If the printed version speaks of a target, you would seem to have a
Valuable Misprint.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/cardlist/judgment

> - The sideboard as a whole isn't revealed to your opponent, only you see it.

Yes. It says "reveal that card", not "reveal all the cards you own from
outside the game".

> - The choosing of a card happens during resolution, and after you saw your
> sideboard.

Yes. There is no reason for it to happen with any other timing.

> A general question about removed-from-the-game: If a card doesn't
> specifically say it, are the card removed face down or face up?

217.7b Cards in the removed-from-the-game zone are kept face up and may
be examined by either player at any time. Cards "removed from the game
face down" can't be examined by either player except when instructions
allow it.
--
Daniel W. Johnson
panoptes@iquest.net
http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/
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Guido Roest <m.roest4@chello.nl> wrote:
>Ok, I play one of the Judgment Wishes, for example Burning Wish.

Okay.

>Burning Wish >{1}{R} >Sorcery
>Choose a sorcery card you own from outside the game, reveal that card, and
>put it into your hand. Remove Burning Wish from the game.
>
>How to play it correctly, so that I won't get into any Judge-bashing?
>
>The way I see it: You play the wish, it resolves, and then you get to search
>through removed-from-the-game-zone for a card (this includes your
>sideboard).

Right.

[Note that anything that's face-down in your RFG zone doesn't qualify - it
is not a "Sorcery card" while face-down.]

>- You don't have to pick a target (the printed version speaks of a target;
>you don't have to pick a target now before looking at your sideboard)

Correct, it doesn't target. The printed version does not target, either;
none of the Judgement Wishes as printed used that word.

>- The sideboard as a whole isn't revealed to your opponent, only you see it.

Right. You reveal the chosen card once you choose it, so they can see it
matches the required description.

>- The choosing of a card happens during resolution, and after you saw your
>sideboard.

Right.

>A general question about removed-from-the-game: If a card doesn't
>specifically say it, are the card removed face down or face up?

If it's not otherwise specified, cards are face-up in the RFG zone. Only things
that specifically say so, like Three Wishes or Necropotence, can remove cards
from the game face-down.

Dave
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Peter Cooper Jr. <pete@cooper.homedns.org> wrote:
>It's face up (and visible to your opponent). Face down cards can't be
>retrieved by any Wish except Death Wish, as you can't be sure that the
>card has the required properties. Even if you are sure, you still
>can't. If you want to get a face-down card with Death Wish, you have
>to get a random one since the Wish can't tell the difference between them.

Not so. If you want to get a face-down RFG card with Death Wish _out of
a group of face-down cards all removed at the same time by the same thing_,
you have to pick at random. If the card was removed by a separate effect, or
at a separate time, it's distinct from other face-down cards; you could get
"the third card I removed from the game this turn with Necropotence" or
"one of the cards my Duplicity removed, rather than my Three Wishes". But
you couldn't distinguish between the five cards Duplicity removed all at
once, for example. (Three Wishes' effect lets you look at those three cards
at any time anyway...)

Dave
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\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.