[SOLVED] hp 14s fr0012au - RAID possible?

[08shantanu]

I bought a new laptop

hp 14s fr0012au
https://store.hp.com/in-en/default/hp-laptop-14s-fr0012au-275h7pa.html

I opened the back and checked if there is any space to add another drive other than the 512 GB M.2
There is space to add another SSD, but no space for M.2

I wanted to connect the SSD and m.2 in RAID 0

I couldnt find any settings in the bios to do that

Am I missing something or is there no way I can connect the two drives in RAID in this laptop?

 

[USAFRet]

I bought a new laptop

hp 14s fr0012au
https://store.hp.com/in-en/default/hp-laptop-14s-fr0012au-275h7pa.html

I opened the back and checked if there is any space to add another drive other than the 512 GB M.2
There is space to add another SSD, but no space for M.2

I wanted to connect the SSD and m.2 in RAID 0

I couldnt find any settings in the bios to do that

Am I missing something or is there no way I can connect the two drives in RAID in this laptop?

SATA + NVMe + RAID 0 is a monstrously bad idea.

RAID 0, in general, is a monstrously bad idea. Unless you have a real need for it, and know exactly why you need it.


Why a RAID 0?

 

[08shantanu]

SATA + NVMe + RAID 0 is a monstrously bad idea.

RAID 0, in general, is a monstrously bad idea. Unless you have a real need for it, and know exactly why you need it.


Why a RAID 0?

How do I check if I have NVMe M.2? or are all M.2 NVMe drives?

I am not going to store any kind of critical data in the laptop
So I thought i might as well get the best speed possible since I already have a SSD.

Why do you say that SATA + NVMe + RAID 0 is a bad idea?

 

[08shantanu]

SATA + NVMe + RAID 0 is a monstrously bad idea.

RAID 0, in general, is a monstrously bad idea. Unless you have a real need for it, and know exactly why you need it.


Why a RAID 0?

I checked, the M.2 is NVMe drive.

 

[USAFRet]

How do I check if I have NVMe M.2? or are all M.2 NVMe drives?

I am not going to store any kind of critical data in the laptop
So I thought i might as well get the best speed possible since I already have a SSD.

Why do you say that SATA + NVMe + RAID 0 is a bad idea?

Because it drags the speed of the NVMe down to the speed of the SATA device.
RAID 0 = twice the size of the smallest, and the speed of the slowest.


M.2 is simply the form factor. How it plugs in. There are both NVMe and SATA III solid state drives.
There are also devices that plug into an M.2 port that have nothing to do with storage. It is also commonly used for a WLAN/BT device.

 

[USAFRet]

I checked, the M.2 is NVMe drive.

Yes.
And whatever other drives you put in there are SATA.

 

[faalin]

Doing a SATA SSD + NVMe in a raid 0 is like telling Usain bolt he has to do a 3 legged race with a normal person but still has to do a 100 meter dash in 10 seconds.

 

[USAFRet]

Doing a SATA SSD + NVMe in a raid 0 is like telling Usain bolt he has to do a 3 legged race with a normal person but still has to do a 100 meter dash in 10 seconds.

Actually, it would be wanting him/them to do the 100 meter in 5 seconds.
10 s is his normal speed...the desire here is for "faster".

 

[08shantanu]

Because it drags the speed of the NVMe down to the speed of the SATA device.
RAID 0 = twice the size of the smallest, and the speed of the slowest.


M.2 is simply the form factor. How it plugs in. There are both NVMe and SATA III solid state drives.
There are also devices that plug into an M.2 port that have nothing to do with storage. It is also commonly used for a WLAN/BT device.

But RAID 0 would still be, almost twice the speed of an SSD SATA3 isnt it?
even if the NVMe has to slow down?

There arent any adverse effects of the slow down? are there?

Single NVMe with ryzen 3 and 8 gb 2400 MHz RAM
vs
NVMe+SATA in RAID with the same setup?

RAID would be faster, right?

 

[USAFRet]

But RAID 0 would still be, almost twice the speed of an SSD SATA3 isnt it?
even if the NVMe has to slow down?

There arent any adverse effects of the slow down? are there?

Single NVMe with ryzen 3 and 8 gb 2400 MHz RAM
vs
NVMe+SATA in RAID with the same setup?

RAID would be faster, right?

Outside of very very limited use cases, RAID 0 + SSD brings NO user facing speed benefit.
Benchmarks may look great, but actual user facing benefit is nil.

Even worse, with matching NVMe drives, it may even be a bit slower than single drives, due to the controller overhead.

From a few years ago:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-950-pro-256gb-raid-report,4449.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html

 

[08shantanu]

Outside of very very limited use cases, RAID 0 + SSD brings NO user facing speed benefit.
Benchmarks may look great, but actual user facing benefit is nil.

Even worse, with matching NVMe drives, it may even be a bit slower than single drives, due to the controller overhead.

From a few years ago:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-950-pro-256gb-raid-report,4449.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html

Seems like a unwise choice.
Thanks a lot.
Wont be going for RAID.