HP Boasts About PC Assembly in the Good Ole USA

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dark_knight33

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This shouldn't be news, it should be the STANDARD of business for american companies. It's like Banks announcing that they no longer intend to rob you... As if that is some innovation, rather than correcting a decades long mistake.
 

COLGeek

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So what is the big deal? Just seems odd that HP has to proclaim "me, too" or "we did it first". Doesn't speak well for their relevance.

Good for HP. Good for Apple. Good for the ol' USA!


 

Camikazi

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[citation][nom]COLGeek[/nom]So what is the big deal? Just seems odd that HP has to proclaim "me, too" or "we did it first". Doesn't speak well for their relevance.Good for HP. Good for Apple. Good for the ol' USA![/citation]
It could just be their way of saying that what Apple is doing is not new or special at all cause a lot of places seem to think it is for some reason.
 

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the problem is that I always have issues with hp lappy's. don't know why, but the power ports aren't that great and I find that IT type support for them is a bit of a pain. ASUS, however, I like :p.
 

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It's the biggest scam there is, "assembled in the US" but "built" in Asia. If Apple told people how many hundreds of millions if not billions they save on taxes by making their parts out of the US, people wouldn't be so gun-ho about them. To be fair all technology is being made out of the US, but it would be nice if they could bring it here, I'm sure many of the millions of people out of work would rather work minimum wage 60 hours a week making iPads then not making any money.
 

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If country A designs and sells goods and, despite higher cost, moves manufacturing from country B back to country A; in the long run, will not country C design equivalents and utilize the cheaper manufacturing of country B and push country A completely out of the market?

Seems like basic economics, or am I missing something?
 

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[citation][nom]kawininjazx[/nom]I'm sure many of the millions of people out of work would rather work minimum wage 60 hours a week making iPads then not making any money.[/citation]

You really think so? I'd give it 6 months and there would be an "electronic assemblers labor union" and they'd screw the companies over until they move back to China... No way any large amount of americans would work 60 hours/week of minimum wage.
 

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[citation][nom]dark_knight33[/nom]This shouldn't be news, it should be the STANDARD of business for american companies. It's like Banks announcing that they no longer intend to rob you... As if that is some innovation, rather than correcting a decades long mistake.[/citation]

no, with big brand computers like this, id rather them be made overseas, at least that way when they crap out enmass it looks like it was crappy asian parts, appose to crappy america manufacturing when they break due to the asinine cost cutting decisions in the psu and motherboard.

 

velocityg4

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[citation][nom]kawininjazx[/nom]...I'm sure many of the millions of people out of work would rather work minimum wage 60 hours a week making iPads then not making any money.[/citation]

Ask the union at Hostess.

Also factory workers make over double minimum wage on average in the US.
 

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[citation][nom]remc86007[/nom]If country A designs and sells goods and, despite higher cost, moves manufacturing from country B back to country A; in the long run, will not country C design equivalents and utilize the cheaper manufacturing of country B and push country A completely out of the market?Seems like basic economics, or am I missing something?[/citation]

Except that Country A wich in this case is apple is very overpriced and doesn`t really play basic economics because they are slowly being pushed out of the market but do you see them lowering the prices so that they can be more competitive ? No ... they are still keeping their huge margins and make their cash pile as big as possible.
 

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[citation][nom]velocityg4[/nom]Ask the union at Hostess.Also factory workers make over double minimum wage on average in the US.[/citation]

I am completely against the union thugs that destroy all these companies. Because the people who make PC components now don't make a ton of money, if they brought production into the US, the workers would likely only get minimum wage, but they could allow people to work up to 60 hours a week, that would be about $1740/month gross, which a couple would bring home about $2800/month easy, which they could live off of if they didn't go out to eat and pop out 9 kids.
 

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This is a joke right? Your "Made in the USA" PC contains a CPU made in Costa Rica, a Taiwanese motherboard using Japanese capacitors, and a hard drive made in Thailand. What's American about that?
 
[citation][nom]dark_knight33[/nom]This shouldn't be news, it should be the STANDARD of business for american companies. It's like Banks announcing that they no longer intend to rob you... As if that is some innovation, rather than correcting a decades long mistake.[/citation]

wisest thing I've heard in 2012
 
[citation][nom]remc86007[/nom]If country A designs and sells goods and, despite higher cost, moves manufacturing from country B back to country A; in the long run, will not country C design equivalents and utilize the cheaper manufacturing of country B and push country A completely out of the market?Seems like basic economics, or am I missing something?[/citation]

Your missing a mind concern of being outdone isn't the reason to stop doing what your doing.

If the product a is better than product c at the same thing then you have something to think about while knowing the answer to your question
 
[citation][nom]samwelaye[/nom]You really think so? I'd give it 6 months and there would be an "electronic assemblers labor union" and they'd screw the companies over until they move back to China... No way any large amount of americans would work 60 hours/week of minimum wage.[/citation]

By screw you mean stand up for rights as opposed to put up nets to prevent suicide?

 
[citation][nom]kawininjazx[/nom]I am completely against the union thugs that destroy all these companies. Because the people who make PC components now don't make a ton of money, if they brought production into the US, the workers would likely only get minimum wage, but they could allow people to work up to 60 hours a week, that would be about $1740/month gross, which a couple would bring home about $2800/month easy, which they could live off of if they didn't go out to eat and pop out 9 kids.[/citation]


your an idiot that will never retire with a pension but enjoy it while you can

 

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The main problem is that without incentives, you cannot expect the majority of businesses to do the ethical choice or the right choice for their country. We used to have import taxes/tariffs in order to stop the excessive flow of foreign made goods into the country. Now the lowest paid foreign worker competes directly with all the wage earners of the world. Guess where most business will go? Check out the made in tag or sticker. If you had real low unemployment, then you could see wages and job security increase to offset any import taxes that may be needed to make a product.

We need to move the factory jobs back to America to balance out the job losses. The middle class in America starts from $22,300.00 to $25,000 per year. The factory jobs that were plentiful in the past made a healthy middle class that paid taxes and created realistically low unemployment numbers. Nine out of ten products used to be made in America in the 1960s before the government opened the doors to foreign imports without tariffs and pushed for the global economy to make every American worker compete with the salaries of third world countries. We have fake unemployment numbers in order to push the global economy.
 

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[citation][nom]kawininjazx[/nom]I'm sure many of the millions of people out of work would rather work minimum wage 60 hours a week making iPads then not making any money.[/citation]

But wouldn't it be better to NOT work and still get money?

Minimum wage is roughly $8 per hour. Working 60 hours a week yields $480. Unemployment insurance in California is $475 per week.

Let me see...work my ass off and get $480? Or just hang out, spend time with family and friends, sleep til noon, eat, watch TV, play some games, for $475?

The choice is obvious.
 
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HP's Indianapolis operations are actually in Plainfield, IN, a small town outside of Indy in a Foxconn plant. They used to be all around the country including Indy until Carly decided to outsource all PC manufacturing operations.
The workers who assemble the computers in Plainfield are practically all "temp" staff employed by temp agencies. Pay is around $8/h with no benefits. Work force is maybe 80% Latino. The facility's closest competition is not from Apple or Dell, but from Foxconn's other facilities in Mexico, in cities like Juarez, and a couple others that I can't remember right now.
The cut-throat business plan enacted by Foxconn ensures that the workers will never have a union, and that pay will never come anywhere near those typical in the industry. Not just for the temp employees but full time Foxconn employees as well. Management and Engineering has been at least 50% foreign, with Taiwanese having the highest preference. The number of US citizens employed in the building is at most 10%. The rest are work-visa & green card holders.
They are "American" jobs, but great jobs they are not.
 
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So I guess Obama's "socialist/liberal/anti-business" policies are bringing all of the jobs back that left America during the "glory years" of Bush 2.0?

Or are you just going to revise history and believe that the Bush years weren't that bad, the unemployment figures must be fake if Obama's are better than Bush's, and that Bush's $4.00-$5.00 a gallon gas wasn't as bad as Obama's $3.00-$4.00 gas?

As a senior level 10+ year IT guy, I believe the jobs numbers, I get called or emailed about 5 different jobs every single day from recruiters I usually don't even know personally, they can't find enough people to fill all of these jobs. I haven't been unemployed for a single day since Obama took office, despite switching jobs 4 times since then (all because they lured me out of my current job for substantially more money, of course). During the Bush years, I was drawing unemployment for about 3 months out of every year inbetween whatever contract work I could find, and rarely ever managed a raise, and the raises I did get were only about $1-$3 an hour.
 
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