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Tony wrote:
>Tony wrote:
>Pete you are absolutely right, there are plenty of repairs that do make sense
>on inkjet printers even at the low end,
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Tony the Tiger is a repair man who makes money from this. The more
people that will believe this the more he can make. You also need to
understand the concept of economic obsolescence. Many times a newer
product will provide many newer features, increased speed, quality or
any combination along with a better working product.
>for instance reconditioning the rollers
>when they get shiny and start to give paper feeding problems (20 minutes work
>in many cases). This is especially true of HP's because they are usually easy
>to work on,
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Many years ago HP had a problem with rollers. HP send out a kit which
was a rough pad and a floppy disk. You put the pad in the paper tray
and ran a short program. You did not need a Tiger for this.
>I estimate that 70% of the time it is cost effective to fix inkjets
>(across the board, entry level to professional, all manufacturers) customers
>are not stupid and won't pay for repairs when it makes more sense to replace.
>Messykite also suggested that the same was true for low end lasers....it is
>even more cost effective to fix these than it is to fix inkjets, this is
>related to a laser's throughput expectations (duty cycle - normally measured in
>thousands of pages per month), because they have a high rating (even low end
>lasers are rated at 5,000 pages per month or thereabouts). Because of their
>high usage they are generally well built but they all suffer from contact with
>paper (a surprisingly tough and potentially damaging media), this wears the
>feed rollers and seperation pads...these are generally easy and cheap to
>replace (there are exceptions, some Brother lasers for example are a right pig)
>this and other repairs make all sorts of sense. You can give an old reliable
>laser 50,000 more pages of life with a $15 roller and in many cases you can
>change it yourself, for instance the old and trusty HP LaserJet 4 or 5 feed
>roller is user replaceable and costs only pennies (well a few dollars!). The
>other thing to remember about lasers is that many of the high wear items are
>consumables (toner cartridges,drum units, drive belts and fusers) and when
>anyone makes a decision to buy a laser they should take the costs of these
>consumables into account. Even when they are taken into account the cost per
>page for a laser is nearly always lower than an inkjet, even more reason to
>repair lasers!!!
>Thanks for providing some balance
🙂
>Tony
>
>"Pete" <ppremock1@stny.rr.com> wrote:
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>>Mousekite, I'm not sure where you are coming from. $30.00 to repair a
>>quality HP inkjet is surely affordable. How can you say "it is not
>>economical to repair them." You can say that about Canon & Epson because
>>most of the time its the print head. Pete
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:018de.11482$J12.3429@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
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>>>Pete wrote:
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>>>>Hey Measekite, I have a friend who has been repairing printers for 19
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>>years
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>>>>and don't like to work on Canon or Epson inkjet printers because of the
>>>>print head problems.
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>>>Injet Consumer Printers are made today so that it is totally not
>>>economical to repair them. When they break just get another. As for
>>>Canon you have a choice. You can overpay for a new user installable
>>>printhead to just get the newest latest model.
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>>>>He takes all the HP printers he can get. They are easy
>>>>to repair and the parts are readily available at a reasonable cost. He
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>>said
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>>>>some of his customers have the old HP Series I and he can still get parts
>>>>for it. That one has to be at least 15 years old.
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>>>The same holds true for the lower priced consumer laser printers.
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>>>>He said his average cost
>>>>to his customer to repair a HP inkjet printer is $30.00. I just bought
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>>both
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>>>>my daughter and son a HP2410 all in one and they love it. The photo
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>>quality
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>>>>is excellent. Pete
>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:CG4de.5$5o2.4@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
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>>>>>Tony wrote:
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>>>>>>Oh dear -- --- ..- ... . ... .... .. - . what an ignorant little boy
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>>you
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>>>>are
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>>>>>>Fact 1: More HP cartridges are refilled by professionals than any other
>>>>>>manufacturers cartridges.
>>>>>>Fact 2: HP cartridges are easy to refill if you have the right
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>>equipment
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>>>>>>(professionals use this equipment)..
>>>>>>Fact 3: HP cartridges (or at least most of them) are well made and
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>>>>accommodate
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>>>>>>refilling several times, there are exceptions and we don't refill
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>>>>>Oh so you are a refiller. That explains all of your views. Just like
>>>>>westink. Happy hawking.
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>>>>>>those.
>>>>>>Fact 4: Good remanufacturers give exactly the same warranty as the OEM
>>>>>>cartridge carries, HP or otherwise.
>>>>>>I do wish you would stop misleading people like Pete who has simply
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>>made
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>>>>an
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>>>>>>observation which is well worth considering.
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>>>>>>Pete; HP printers are well made, no question, again there are
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>>exceptions,
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>>>>their
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>>>>>>quality control and reliability are as high as most and higher than
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>>some.
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>>>>The
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>>>>>>reason that you have no trouble with your printer is probably that you
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>>>>use it
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>>>>>>regularly, treat it well and are realistic about your expectations with
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>>>>this
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>>>>>>model. No mystery here. Good post though, I suggest that you stay with
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>>a
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>>>>>>printer and or manufacturer that you trust.
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>>>>>>Tony
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>>>>>>measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>I am assuming the reason that you do not see too much on HP printer is
>>>>>>>because there is really not too many problems with their printheads
>>>>>>>since you get a new one with each cart change. Since they are much
>>>>>>>harder to refill most people do not bother so there are far fewer
>>>>>>>problems cause by much of the inferior aftermarket inks.
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>>>>>>>Most of the refillers tend to gravitate to Epson with the balance
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>>going
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>>>>>>>to Canon.
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>>>>>>>Pete wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Its been a year or so since I checked this news group. I don't see
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>>much
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>>>>>>>>posted on HP printers. I think I know why. I have a HP G85 all in one
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>>>>>>>>just went over 28,000 copies and never had a problem with it. Pete
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