Review HP OmniBook X review: 16-hour Snapdragon X power

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Good review but your ultimate conclusion and recommendation might be a bit misleading to some.

The software factor really isnt quite as bad as the article reads and people should know that generally unless they have a few specific workflows there are not a lot of issues with software.

Yes creators, audio and video, have software issues right now but those types of users are specific and not general use case.
General users (or most likely 80%+ of buyers) will not experience compatibility issues and their everyday software experience will be unnoticeably different.

Windows on Arm is a chicken and the egg problem.
Users: Dont buy until the software gets better
WIndows and devs: Not going to waste time and effort unless there are enough users

The Mac Arm transition was not all roses and peaches if you remember.
The difference there was lack of choice.
Apple said we are going Arm and all devs and users were forced to accept it.
It still took a year, or two, before all the software bugs got ironed out.
Yes it might have been a little smoother than the Windows Arm experience is going but its easy to understand why.
 
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The article said:
To measure long-term performance, we run 20 loops of the Arm version of the Cinebench 2024 CPU test
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Cool. So, why isn't there a chart comparing Cinebench scores with the other laptops?

Also, why no web browser benchmarks? That's another key datapoint for users, and another opportunity to compare native vs. native performance.

I'm not saying the reviewer is biased, but it sure seems like you guys aren't even trying to show it in a good light.


The glaring omission of CB24 scores sent me elsewhere. I found them here:

TL;DR: Snapdragon X beats Intel Core Ultra 7 155H and AMD Ryzen 7 8845HS on single-core Cinebench 2024 by 6% to 21%! However, that victory is tarnished by the Apple M3, which beat the x86 contenders by 38%! Efficiency-wise, the X models are 105% to 168% more efficient, but Apple again puts them all to shame.

The Multicore CB24 test cases look pretty similar, but the AMD laptop's high-power mode is able to beat some of the slower Snapdragon X laptops. Efficiency-wise, the Ryzen 7 8845HS also splits the Snapdragon X pack.
 
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ezst036 said:
Isn't the Macbook Air's battery only 52.6WHr? Meaning, the battery itself may compensate for that extra hour?
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IMO, they should include a table, where the following information is presented for all of the models:
  1. runtime
  2. battery capacity
  3. capacity divided by runtime = average power draw
  4. optionally: screen size & weight

There's a natural tendency to use runtime as a proxy for efficiency. However, you really need to account for battery size, which is accomplished by point #3.
 
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From my experience Windows x86 laptops last 5-10 years. How long will Qualcomm support driver updates, and for how long will Windows be supported? I have a feeling that this will be failure.
 
ezst036 said:
Isn't the Macbook Air's battery only 52.6WHr? Meaning, the battery itself may compensate for that extra hour?
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Does it really matter? It's a laptop, it's not like you get a choice. You could, perhaps, say you prefer a particular Mac because it's lighter (perhaps because it used a smaller battery.) But, laptops tend to be a package deal and that's how it was reviewed. This is a product you can buy and it has a better battery life than that product you can also buy.

What you're really trying to say is an M3 has better efficiency than a Snapdragon X, but that depends on a whole lot more than just a chip and a battery. I suspect the brightness has more to do with this than battery size, for instance.
 
Is too expensive for the underwhelming graphic hardware.

Also, It's the memory and SSD PC compatible, or requires specific hardware for this platform?
 
ezst036 said:
Isn't the Macbook Air's battery only 52.6WHr? Meaning, the battery itself may compensate for that extra hour?
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Yes, but considering the display difference, the fact that Mac is on ARM by many years and that Macbook Air are the benchmark for battery life on laptops, I see a very promising future.
 
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> The only issue I had with the cursor controls was occasionally when attempting to click and drag one folder into another. It's unclear whether this is a driver issue with Snapdragon laptops or something specifically to do with HP's touchpad – it didn't occur every time.

so what was the issue? what didn't happen?
 
baboma said:
>Is too expensive for the underwhelming graphic hardware.

I disagree. The pricing & performance are in line with Wintel laptops in the premium ultraportable segment, which WoA laptops are positioned in. The graphics is fine for a non-gaming laptop. It's academic anyway given most PC games don't have an ARM port.
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For 1200$ you can buy a notebook with rtx 4070, with 16 Gb of ram, but expandable to 64 gb, and free slots to plug more stuff.
 
vijosef said:
For 1200$ you can buy a notebook with rtx 4070, with 16 Gb of ram, but expandable to 64 gb, and free slots to plug more stuff.
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Some people place value on a smaller laptop, with longer battery life. That's the market they seem to be going after.

I personally hate gaming laptops. They're just big, heavy, and loud, for no benefit in anything I need to do on a laptop.
 
bit_user said:
Some people place value on a smaller laptop, with longer battery life. That's the market they seem to be going after.

I personally hate gaming laptops. They're just big, heavy, and loud, for no benefit in anything I need to do on a laptop.
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I would say -most- people look for that in a laptop, but off hand I can't think of a Windows laptop that can tick all the boxes of thin & light, good CPU and decent GPU power, battery life, and a price near $1000 until these Snapdragon X books.
 
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Amdlova said:
First time in my life I will say that... Just buy the mac instead of this crap
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Why crap ?
Some compatibility problems but good performance and excellent battery life.
Actually depends from the software needed, but for sure there is more compatibility with Windows software than that of a Mac.
 
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baboma said:
Aside from web browsing and watching videos, gaming is high on the list of things consumers want to run.
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I find it a tad ironic that you make comments about "my personal opinion" on what general users would want/expect then make this statement.

LOL

Any you have to realize that Windows world is not Apple world.
Apple can force the hand because its a closed eco system.

Windows cannot.

This is why the "chicken and egg" situation is more of an issue with Windows.
Yes its not the consumers burden to be a beta tester.

But without user adoption devs wont invest time.
Thats the way it is, sorry.

Microsoft cannot force devs to do anything.

As a software engineer developing in the Microsoft/Windows ecosystem for 19 years I would like to think that my experience thus far gives me just a tad bit of insight into the situation.
 
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