Huawei Facing Potential Ban in Europe Too

[Lucian Armasu]

EU officials consider proposals that would require more security guarantees from Chinese companies that are involved in the development of critical infrastructure or even a de facto ban of these companies, as worries about Chinese backdoors increase.

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[jaber2]

Only few days ago they were saying they will forgo the US sales and still make it to number 1, lol

 

[Deleted member 2449095]

I'd be happier if the telecom companies made 4G more reliable.

 

[coelho_osvaldo]

worse case scenario: Stop the Chinese Trojan horse crossing the gate.
Advanced countries may persuade emerging markets to avoid deploying ZTE or Huawei solutions.
Mobile at the end of the Chinese era
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/mobile-end-chinese-era-osvaldo-coelho/

 

[IceMyth]

The only looser will be EU at the end...The problems between US and China will be solved. If not, the EU will be forced to buy US technologies because in this case they kicked out the competitor under unreal (none existing) claim of China is spying them and still in this case they will loose more.

I didn't know that US had many slaves in EU, even though and to my knowledge euro was to create an EU identity and to fight US dollar but seems I was wrong. Despite that, lets see how western countries will survive (I am talking about middle class and below) when prices will jump up.

If they really want to fight China then the equation below should happen.

Made Locally (US/EU) <= Same price as buying from China. Otherwise, it didnt solve anything even if you increase jobs but you didnt increase the income for who is working.

 

[stdragon]

Chinese companies are part state-owned. The modus operandi of all native technology from China should, and be required, to be assumed suspect of being "bugged" to spy on nation-states.

Imagine if the US Gov owned and operated Intel or AMD and was headed by the NSA complete with engineered back-doors. That's effectively what Huawei is to China.

 

[10tacle]

The only looser will be EU at the end...The problems between US and China will be solved. If not, the EU will be forced to buy US technologies because in this case they kicked out the competitor under unreal (none existing) claim of China is spying them and still in this case they will loose more.

1) There is only one "o" in "lose" there hot shot.
2) The EU can develop their own tech companies. Tell us why that has not happened for the past three decades of computer and cell phone growth?
3) What tech are you referring to made in the USA? Certainly not Apple or an ASUS motherboard or a Samsung TV.
4) If you don't think China has stolen tech from the West in past decades and don't have the capability to do so now in their microcircuit builds, you are about the most ill-informed person I've come across on Tom's.

I didn't know that US had many slaves in EU, even though and to my knowledge euro was to create an EU identity and to fight US dollar but seems I was wrong. Despite that, lets see how western countries will survive (I am talking about middle class and below) when prices will jump up.

You truly have no idea what you are talking about do you? That or you are young and severely indoctrinated with mush. The EU was the worst thing to happen to European nations since World War II. You cannot have a single currency shared among different economies and political dynamics of nations. It does not nor will it ever work. Ask the Romans how that trial period worked out long term for them.

There's a reason the British wanted out as the biggest example: they did not want Brussels based bureaucrats telling them what kinds of tea pots they can buy because of "the environment." Want to piss a Brit off? Mess with his tea. Further, they did not want to bail out Greece's failed economy by their over-socialist government. And don't get me started on how the EU has bullied the Irish dairy farmers who have ZERO care for selling dairy products beyond local only.

If there is any slavery here, it's that European nation citizens are slaves to a few fat cat Brussels bureaucrats. I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone from another nation tell me how *I* will live and work. Of course I have the luxury of living in the US where we fight against that kind of tyranny and have independent states with laws outside of the big fat federal government nanny state.

If they really want to fight China then the equation below should happen.

Made Locally (US/EU) <= Same price as buying from China. Otherwise, it didnt solve anything even if you increase jobs but you didnt increase the income for who is working.

[face palm] - Your severe lack of understanding how economics works even locally, let alone in a competitive international environment, is striking. Please read a book or two. Or five.

 

[nikoskostantopoulow]

What about the americans spying on us?
Is the EU gonna do something about that?

 

[10tacle]

What about the americans spying on us? Is the EU gonna do something about that?

Just FYI it's not just the US. The UK has a joint program with the US' NSA, there's Norway's NIS, and then there's Australia's ASD doing it. Snowden opened the curtain to all of that. Now just to be clear, they are not spying on everyday citizens. They are looking for patterns of nefarious threats to the West including terrorist potential and Russia/Chinese infiltration. They could all care less about what you post on Facebook what you are eating for dinner or your latest Battlefield V score.

With all that said, in my opinion, using social media to speak your mind for the world to see is about the most useful idiot thing a person can do.

 

[10tacle]

Meh americans got caught spying our prime minister's cell phone and noone did nothing about it.

Call Obama because it was his NSA that did it. My hunch is it was done in an attempt affect the BREXIT vote in favor of Stay. Plenty of evidence of his administration trying to meddle with that. So I'm with you on that.

The matter is what if Chinese spy a bit when everyone knows that americans spy alot more ? I personally i'm with the Chinese.

They'd run over your little nation in about two days and you'd be a second class citizen (at best) for life to them as inferior. If that's what you want, be careful what you wish for. Because they are not going to stop expanding their military presence in Asia and the Pacific Rim. The truly troubling thing here for me is not about spying. It's about growing a monster that will eventually expand by all measures necessary.

History keeps repeating itself, and people keep refusing to learn from it. Meanwhile Western consumerism continues to buy products made in China and patting companies on the backs buying their China-manufactured products.

 

[IceMyth]

The only looser will be EU at the end...The problems between US and China will be solved. If not, the EU will be forced to buy US technologies because in this case they kicked out the competitor under unreal (none existing) claim of China is spying them and still in this case they will loose more.

1) There is only one "o" in "lose" there hot shot.
2) The EU can develop their own tech companies. Tell us why that has not happened for the past three decades of computer and cell phone growth?
3) What tech are you referring to made in the USA? Certainly not Apple or an ASUS motherboard or a Samsung TV.
4) If you don't think China has stolen tech from the West in past decades and don't have the capability to do so now in their microcircuit builds, you are about the most ill-informed person I've come across on Tom's.

I didn't know that US had many slaves in EU, even though and to my knowledge euro was to create an EU identity and to fight US dollar but seems I was wrong. Despite that, lets see how western countries will survive (I am talking about middle class and below) when prices will jump up.

You truly have no idea what you are talking about do you? That or you are young and severely indoctrinated with mush. The EU was the worst thing to happen to European nations since World War II. You cannot have a single currency shared among different economies and political dynamics of nations. It does not nor will it ever work. Ask the Romans how that trial period worked out long term for them.

There's a reason the British wanted out as the biggest example: they did not want Brussels based bureaucrats telling them what kinds of tea pots they can buy because of "the environment." Want to piss a Brit off? Mess with his tea. Further, they did not want to bail out Greece's failed economy by their over-socialist government. And don't get me started on how the EU has bullied the Irish dairy farmers who have ZERO care for selling dairy products beyond local only.

If there is any slavery here, it's that European nation citizens are slaves to a few fat cat Brussels bureaucrats. I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone from another nation tell me how *I* will live and work. Of course I have the luxury of living in the US where we fight against that kind of tyranny and have independent states with laws outside of the big fat federal government nanny state.

If they really want to fight China then the equation below should happen.

Made Locally (US/EU) <= Same price as buying from China. Otherwise, it didnt solve anything even if you increase jobs but you didnt increase the income for who is working.

[face palm] - Your severe lack of understanding how economics works even locally, let alone in a competitive international environment, is striking. Please read a book or two. Or five.

I think you have no idea what I wrote, or didnt read it.

When did I say that Chinese companies don't steal/replicate other Western companies tech?
Moreover, why would Western countries buy products that they know were stolen? Oh, yeah China fault for that.
So, USA is more trusted than China? and why did you make the discussion about UK. I was and still talking in General. Beside that, UK invaded around 90% of countries around the world (How accurate is this, I don't know but check the link at the end from telegraph) -- all hail democracy.

Huawei issue all because of their leading in 5G, topping EU & US which also this article is about. It started from US, so I guess EU was going to kick Huawei even US didnt do anything?

Lastly, I cant wait to see US - China problems solved and if EU governments will follow US or not. Countries should think smarter, following none exiting fears wont solve the issues, not having a hard evidence is a loose, not having a back up plan is a child play.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

 

[10tacle]

I think you have no idea what I wrote, or didnt read it. When did I say that Chinese companies don't steal/replicate other Western companies tech?

Then what did you mean by this statement?

"...the EU will be forced to buy US technologies because in this case they kicked out the competitor under unreal (none existing) claim of China is spying them"

Moreover, why would Western countries buy products that they know were stolen? Oh, yeah China fault for that.

Most consumers don't know it and companies only care about profits by all means necessary. Hence why there are so many consumer products manufactured in China. Cheap labor. Slave labor for real.

So, USA is more trusted than China? and why did you make the discussion about UK. I was and still talking in General. Beside that, UK invaded around 90% of countries around the world (How accurate is this, I don't know but check the link at the end from telegraph) -- all hail democracy.

Well if you are talking about social media like Facebook, then no. But if you think Ford builds cars to spy on Europeans like China is suspect of doing with consumer electronics, the entire point of this article, then you are way off base. BTW: the term "democracy" means majority rule, or mob rule. It is meaningless regarding representation for all. In the simplest terms, it is three wolves and two sheep voting on what's for dinner. It is the worst form of government short of a dictatorship by one. There's a reason that word does not exist in the US Constitution, and I am always amazed at how it is thrown around as if it has actual meaning in liberties.

Huawei issue all because of their leading in 5G, topping EU & US which also this article is about. It started from US, so I guess EU was going to kick Huawei even US didnt do anything?

5G is just an intangible technology application. It's not controlled or infiltrated by any government entity like hardware (ie: smart phones and networking equipment).

Lastly, I cant wait to see US - China problems solved and if EU governments will follow US or not. Countries should think smarter, following none exiting fears wont solve the issues, not having a hard evidence is a loose, not having a back up plan is a child play.

It's never going to be solved, and there you go AGAIN insinuating China doesn't spy and steal sensitive data. Do you think it's just a coincidence their new stealth fighter strongly resembles our F-22 Raptor?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html[/quotemsg]

^^And what does that have to do with anything about the subject? How many of those nations are still under the British crown rule? Rome invaded Germania, Spaniards invaded South America, Germany invaded France, North Korea invaded South Korea, North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam, Iraq invaded Kuwait.......

 

[emeralds1000000]

What about the americans spying on us? Is the EU gonna do something about that?

Just FYI it's not just the US. The UK has a joint program with the US' NSA, there's Norway's NIS, and then there's Australia's ASD doing it. Snowden opened the curtain to all of that. Now just to be clear, they are not spying on everyday citizens. They are looking for patterns of nefarious threats to the West including terrorist potential and Russia/Chinese infiltration. They could all care less about what you post on Facebook what you are eating for dinner or your latest Battlefield V score.

With all that said, in my opinion, using social media to speak your mind for the world to see is about the most useful idiot thing a person can do.

yea sure ... all companies spy on each other . and try to eat each others. I trust china more than any US tech.

What MS did to Nokia was infiltration and destroying a respected European phone maker. and they Killed the Symbian so that google Android Rules the phone Market.

true mobile windows failed, but they destroyed Symbian on purpose. and destroyed Nokia .

 

[emeralds1000000]

I trust china more than any US tech.

Well like I insinuated earlier, the Jews at one time trusted Germany to protect them too.

Actually it was Germany who trusted the Jews and welcomed them .. and instead of becoming good citizens they enslaved the German people ...

as they are enslaving your economy today.

 

[DGurney]

"The only looser will be EU at the end"

Did you not read the article? The EU is not getting LOOSER; it's getting TIGHTER. For the Chinese, that is.

DUHHHHHHH

 

[davidlbga]

Entire world is using software and hardware for spying .
The only solution is to use open software and hardware, but really 100% open, even the production must be open.
I dont want foreign tecnology in my country but i'm from Spain. .
All is about fear, fear of chinese entreprises.
This is propaganda.

 

[pug_s]

I see this just the opposite. Now it is either the 3 European companies phone equipment makers (Nokia, Ericsson, and Siemens) vs the Chinese (Huawei and ZTE.) They can work probably find a way to put NSA malware on the European phone makers while China not allowing the NSA to do it.

 

[emeralds1000000]

Actually it was Germany who trusted the Jews and welcomed them .. and instead of becoming good citizens they enslaved the German people ...as they are enslaving your economy today.

Your anti-Semite mentality is duly noted. Whatever primary and/or secondary education you came from, they failed. Severely.

saying the truth is not anti Semite ... go play this propaganda elsewhere . oh by the way , I dont believe in races we are all sons of Adam and Eve . same race same people.

The funny thing is that the bad among jews became like children after ww2 , and played the anti semite boogy man to hide their Evil doing behind it. not any more dude we are not your slaves.

 

[bignastyid]

A few of you might notice some of your posts are now missing. Consider this your 1 and only warning to cease and desist such conversation. Because if it continues you'll be missing more than a couple posts.

 

[Saga Lout]

Would you please lay off the politics and economics, folks. Both are restricted by the GRAPES policy of Tom's Forum.

As for spying, the worst criminal is the Internet and big companies like Google and Microsoft are more dangerous than any Government, IMHO.

 

[Ralston18]

And do not forget big media.

They seem to have a knack of finding out more information about anything and anyone before the blood is dry. Literally and figuratively.

 

[nikoskostantopoulow]

As if Google and Microsoft don't work hand in hand with the government or the fbi...duh.

https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/