News Huawei is Still Operating and Hiring in Russia: Report

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Huawei continues to work with Russian universities, keeps Russian Research Institute running.

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[hotaru251]

Is it shocking to anyone really?

(not political mods just historical statement)

China and Russia are not enemies (doesn't mean they are bffs) so have no reason to harm the other. (basically the best allies each has in the area)

and for the normal folk in russia its good for them to not be completely shut off (nobody should suffer afterall)

 

[pug_s]

Shocker. Huawei and Russia are both essentially banned from the US. Who would've knew that they are working together?

 

[InvalidError]

Create a vacuum in a country, don't get shocked when others come to fill it in.

 

[bit_user]

I assume the article would've included it, if possible, but it'd be nice to see a rough breakdown of where that $1B is being spent. I think Huawei does a lot of things, ranging from networking equipment to chip design (via HiSilicon), RF communications, and AI. Not to mention their phones & the software running them.

 

[bit_user]

Create a vacuum in a country, don't get shocked when others come to fill it in.

Quite a lot of IT workers reportedly left the country, when their jobs went away. Many stayed with the same employer and relocated, such as a chunk of Intel's GPU software team. Others might've left for other reasons and the decision became easier without their old job tying them down.

So, it's not as if the divestment by western companies had no effect. I'm sure no one was under the impression that employment in those sectors would go to zero.

 

[helper800]

So, it's not as if the divestment by western companies had no effect. I'm sure no one was under the impression that employment in those sectors would go to zero.

I would say the effectiveness of the divestment was very minimal. There will always be another tech company to show its face when, as was said, a vacuum is created. I am sure there were a lot of shoes to fill directly after the divestment, but the process was stretched out leaving time to fill most of said shoes.

 

[bit_user]

I would say the effectiveness of the divestment was very minimal.

Based on what? Naked speculation?

I've heard numerous news reports about the mass emigration of young, mostly IT-professionals out of Russia, in 2022 and perhaps early '23. The BBC has covered this from both inside Russia and in popular destination countries.

Still, I don't recall if the news reports had figures, but they did have a few interviews of the "left behind", who felt in the minority for having stayed. You have to keep in mind that an active military draft came into effect, so there weren't only economic reasons for leaving. Looming border closures further tightened time constraints.

I've even exchanged posts with another member of this forum who didn't exactly make a secret of his Russian expat status.

There will always be another tech company to show its face when, as was said, a vacuum is created.

The country is under a lot of sanctions, which limits the markets their tech sector can serve.

 

[helper800]

Based on what? Naked speculation?

I would not go that far, but it is inference, for sure. Most of the people in technology that are not heavily specialized can be easily replaced and there are always people learning said specialties. I believe that the impact was more minimal because although some companies have divested from Russia, not all have. This leaves a lot of companies room to expand their business to fill in the gaps.

I also find it odd that most news regarding the exodus from Russia did not include more concrete estimates or numbers of how many left, what industries they came from, and so on. I guess it is hard to get numbers unless they are required to be reported in some way.

 

[bit_user]

I would not go that far, but it is inference, for sure.

Well, do you have any specific information about the employment sector, there? If not, then it fits the definition of speculation.

although some companies have divested from Russia, not all have.

Such as?

This leaves a lot of companies room to expand their business to fill in the gaps.

Any who don't, face practical challenges operating there and a reduced number of export markets to buy what they're producing.

I also find it odd that most news regarding the exodus from Russia did not include more concrete estimates or numbers of how many left, what industries they came from, and so on. I guess it is hard to get numbers unless they are required to be reported in some way.

We can't know, because there's no one to report on such things. The only remaining media is state-run, and it's not in their interest to report on emigration nor would they find many sources willing to be honest with them.

 

[helper800]

Well, do you have any specific information about the employment sector, there? If not, then it fits the definition of speculation.

I have the same kinds of specific information you do from news article and coverage over the last year or so. I do not remember the titles and publications, but that is what I made my inferences on. Inferences just require reasoning and be based on any kind of evidence to be considered an 'inference.'

Such as?

There are hundreds of companies that are still doing business in Russia some of which are tech companies.

Any who don't, face practical challenges operating there and a reduced number of export markets to buy what they're producing.

See my last link, there are hundreds of companies that are doing fine despite these challenges.

We can't know, because there's no one to report on such things. The only remaining media is state-run, and it's not in their interest to report on emigration nor would they find many sources willing to be honest with them.

No doubt. I was wondering why none of the places the Russian's were emigrating to for work would require information about what they are going to be doing in their country for work. Could there be public record of work visas issued to such people saying their job title or something to that effect?

 

[bit_user]

There are hundreds of companies that are still doing business in Russia some of which are tech companies.

Still requires one to dig into the details. For instance, D-Link is listed among them, but is any of their business activity comprised of products or services for export, or is it mostly just sales & support of Russia and a few of its friendly neighbors?

Anyway, this is a far cry from saying the effect of divestment was minimal. That site shows only 42.3% of companies continue operations unabated. If we looked at the totals in terms of staff or investment, rather than weighting all companies equally, it might turn out to be even more. According you, the 42.3% who continued operations without scaling back should've compensated for all the rest, yet it's hard to see how that happens in a country under sanction, which is losing export markets and having trouble sourcing from the West.

I was wondering why none of the places the Russian's were emigrating to for work would require information about what they are going to be doing in their country for work. Could there be public record of work visas issued to such people saying their job title or something to that effect?

They've mostly been going to countries which don't require a visa. Where they can line up a job, even many destinations requiring a visa should be within reach. I have no idea what sorts of immigration records or statistics might be available, but the EU tends to have pretty good privacy protections and even aggregate data published on labor force trends can be subject to delay, for practical reasons.

 

[greenreaper]

Meanwhile, IT specialists are being recruited to the military despite a delay for their specialism, due in part to increasing bureaucratic burden.