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I want to build my first computer, but I don´t have enough knowledge to be sure about what I am doing, so I came here to ask if I am doing any mistakes or if I could easily make the build better.
Take into account that I am spanish and my options are more limited than for an american person.

CPU: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B010T6CWI2/?tag=pcp02-21

Motherboard: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B019EOPC8W/?tag=pcp02-21

Memory: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B01ARHCZYO/?tag=pcp02-21 (I will buy another one of this if I need more)

Storage: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B01LY65EVG/?tag=pcp02-21

video card: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B01M7RRV7R/?tag=pcp02-21

Case: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B00BTQD40W/?tag=pcp02-21

Supply: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B01CWG5IXS/?tag=pcp02-21

Monitor: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B016AWBK00/?tag=pcp02-21
 
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imsqam
First, the wait for Ryzen advice by SgtScream is the best advice.

Regarding the choice of the i3-7100 vs the i5-6500, the difference is about 10% and not some huge difference. Both CPU's run four threads, this is the major criteria. While two dedicated cores are faster than a single hyperthreaded core the 6500 runs at 3.20GHz while the 7100 runs at 3.90GHz, this balances things out.

https://ark.intel.com/compare/88184,97455

If you look at the links that I previously provided you will see this 10% benchmark difference on both Passmark and Userbenchmark.

Now if you look at 3dMark scores for the two configurations, you will see that the 7100/1060 combination beats out the 6500/1050Ti combination. More importantly, the graphics score...
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Okay, entered your parts into PCPartpicker which has a version for Spain. Assumed that you were using this computer for gaming so go with order of importance

GPU>>CPU>>RAM>>Storage

Changed the i5-6500 for an i3-7100, only about 10% decrease in performance but 80 Euros cheaper.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-7100-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6500/3891vs3513
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2617&cmp%5B%5D=2924&cmp%5B%5D=2599

Put the money into the GPU and chose a GTX 1060-3GB, much better GPU over the 1050

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=3566&cmp%5B%5D=3595&cmp%5B%5D=3596

Changed you from an H110 mobo to a B250, they have better features and more connectivity.

Left you with one stick of 8GB RAM. It is better to have two sticks of RAM so that the memory runs in dual channel mode which is slightly faster. But since 16GB is the new standard and you only have 2 RAM slots it is worth having 8GB sticks. This way you can upgrade to 16GB later or increase the cost of the build and purchase it now.

I believe that the cost of the build went up about 10 Euros.

CPU: i3-7100
https://www.amazon.es/Intel-BX80677I37100-Core-Desktop-Processors/dp/B01NCESRJX/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1487512516&sr=1-2

GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC
https://www.amazon.es/dp/B01KHWOAR4/?tag=pcp02-21

And here is the revised build.

PCPartPicker part list: https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q3YbGf
Price breakdown by merchant: https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q3YbGf/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-7100 3.9GHz Dual-Core Processor (€120.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€65.00 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€67.32 @ Amazon Espana)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€48.00 @ Amazon Espana)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC Video Card (€239.00 @ Amazon Espana)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (€47.01 @ Amazon Espana)
Power Supply: be quiet! 400W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
Monitor: Asus VP228H 21.5" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor (€131.61 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €717.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-19 15:20 CET+0100
 
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My first correction or suggestion would be to follow the manufacturer's directions, which you apparently are already aware. It does say it's a dual channel board which means it prefers RAM to be installed in multiple of twos. There is sometimes not a big FPS difference in gaming but with other RAM intensive games and tasks including Windows following manufacturer's instructions can be beneficial.

Is there any specific reason you opted for the Seagate? The tried and true HDD is https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Cache-Desktop-Drive-WD10EZEX/dp/B0088PUEPK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1487516831 . It's even less expensive.

The price difference between your GFX card and this one https://www.amazon.es/MSI-Ti-4G-OC-Tarjeta/dp/B01M5DU49X/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1487516939&sr=1-3&keywords=1050 is pretty small. BUT The performance gain is a lot bigger. So, you get a better performing card and you get an extra 2GB of RAM. Well worth the extra little investment. Consider a 2 year old game I was playing
Far_Cry4_2016_11_08_22_14_29_543.jpg
. I was using 2.743GB of RAM. I am routinely exceeding 3GB with some of my games these days. The card you chose would not perform as well due to the lack of VRAM. Just apply your knowledge of system RAM to VRAM. Lacking in either area can cause problems.

Do you already have a PSU? Budget for PSU?
 
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For imsqam.
Thank you for your feedback, I will definately consider those changes,
For aquielisunari.
Here in Spain the Seagate costs 48€ and the other one costs 49€, that is why I chose the Seagate, it was the cheapest one, but if the other one is better for my build I will change it, it is just 1€ xD. For the video card, what do you think about imsqam´s alternative? I will probably follow that.
Lastly, I chose the power supply a bit randomly, the ceapest one (as long as it covered the estimated demanded power that was calculated in pcpartpicker). the budget for the whole computer is around 750€, so if you know about a good power supply that could work I would appreciate it.
 
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The difference between RAM running in single channel vs dual channel is small, about 1-2%. But there is no harm in running in single channel besides the performance decrease.

In regards to Seagate vs WD, there is a brand difference regarding reliability. I pick Seagate drives.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/drive-stats-2016-q1-failure-by-mfg.jpg

Regarding GPU, I stand behind cheaper CPU and much better GPU, the 1060-3GB is a much better card than the 1050 Ti.

 
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What are you going to be doing with your new computer build?
 
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I can't stand behind imsqam's CPU change. Let's say the performance difference is 10% between two quad cores and the 1060 could be exchanged without too much of a price difference. I'd be okay with the CPU taking a small hit. But when going from a fiarly powerful quad core i5 to en entry level dual core I-3 isn't something I agree with. In addition to that the Kaby Lake CPU's seem to be running a bit warm. Not a deal breaker at all but that is an issue. If I were to dive into Kaby Lake territory I certainly wouldn't use the stock cooler. I would invest in an aftermarket cooler to deal with the heat better. But back to the CPU. The CPU and GPU are equally important. Some games are CPU intensive and others are GPU intensive. Taking away those two cores isn't something I suggest with your build. Oi. AND then the VRAM issue is back. I really don't feel like gaming at the moment and taking a screenshot, but eventually, one day, I will. Your VRAM is limited to 3 GB. As I said above I am exceeding 3GB VRAM usage in some of my games. That's TODAY. Your PC is supposed to last for years(usually 2 or 3 between upgrades to individual components). I am exceeding 3GB VRAM. How can I stand behind a product that only has 3GB? Going for a low end, 3rd generation dual core with a 750Ti? Okay. But with your build in mind 3GB is going backwards.

I have

Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64-bit
CPU
Intel Core i5 4690K @ 3.50GHz 31 °C
Haswell 22nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 933MHz (10-11-10-30)
Motherboard
MSI Z97 PC Mate(MS-7850) (SOCKET 0) 34 °C
Graphics
D32x-D1 (1920x1080@60Hz)
4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (EVGA) 34 °C
Storage
465GB Western Digital WDC WD5000BPVT-22A1YT0 (SATA) 29 °C
931GB Western Digital WDC WD1003FZEX-00MK2A0 (SATA) 33°C
465GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AACS-00D0B0 (SATA) 36 °C
111GB ADATA SP550 (SSD) 34 °C
298GB Western Digital WDC WD3200BEVT-60A23T0 (SATA) 31 °C
14GB Kingston DataTraveler 2.0 USB Device (USB)
Optical Drives
HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GSA-H30L
Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio

Can you see a HDD pattern emerging? 😀
 
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Its main purpose will be gaming, but I will also use it for my studies, where I will probably need a decent computational power (mainly to work with networks, use password libraries, and shit like that).
 
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Sadly, here in Spain things are more expensive, for example that cpu costs 186€, which is much more than 176$, so that build is definately too expensive for me.
 
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Keep it simple. Upgrade to the 4GB 1050Ti and possibly 8GB more RAM. The 6500 will be on par with the 1070 in a couple years if you want to upgrade. Pair the 1070 with the dual core 7100? Not a good idea.
 
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First, the wait for Ryzen advice by SgtScream is the best advice.

Regarding the choice of the i3-7100 vs the i5-6500, the difference is about 10% and not some huge difference. Both CPU's run four threads, this is the major criteria. While two dedicated cores are faster than a single hyperthreaded core the 6500 runs at 3.20GHz while the 7100 runs at 3.90GHz, this balances things out.

https://ark.intel.com/compare/88184,97455

If you look at the links that I previously provided you will see this 10% benchmark difference on both Passmark and Userbenchmark.

Now if you look at 3dMark scores for the two configurations, you will see that the 7100/1060 combination beats out the 6500/1050Ti combination. More importantly, the graphics score is a bit better than the CPU score which is where you want to be. And if you look at pairing a 1070 with the 6500 the GPU is starting to pull away from the CPU score which leads to bottlenecking.

i5-6500 and GTX 1050 Ti
http://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=1.165396031.161540583.1483814751#/?mode=advanced&url=/proxycon/ajax/search/cpugpu/spy/P/2044/1111/500000?minScore=0&cpuName=Intel Core i5-6500 Processor&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti

i3-7100 and GTX 1060-3GB
http://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=1.239833731.161540583.1483814751#/?mode=advanced&url=/proxycon/ajax/search/cpugpu/spy/P/2196/1103/500000?minScore=0&cpuName=Intel Core i3-7100&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060-3GB

I respect the opinion but I stand by my choice, a balanced system is what you want.
 
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