I built a system using parts that I don't recommend. So how was it?

Hello all,
First of all, I'd like to apologize for the lack of organization in this article. I only had three hours to do everything related because I have a client coming in later today to buy this system.

I guess first thing's first, components.

CPU: Intel Celeron 1037U (bundled with board) $0
MOBO: ECS NM70-I2 (includes CPU and cooler) $50
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1333MHz (brand unknown) $15
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 5450 (manual OC to 700MHz) $15
SSD: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 120GB - connected to the only SATA III 6Gb/s connector on the motherboard $35 used
HDD: 1TB WD Caviar Blue - connected to one of the three SATA II 3Gb/s connectors on the motherboard $25 used
PSU: Rosewill 400W unit (unknown model, the PSU and box both just say Rosewill) $15
Case: I have no idea what it is. I can tell you that it costs $10 on eBay.

So why did I buy all this stuff? My friend wanted the cheapest machine possible to browse the web on Windows 10 and play old games using a MS-DOS emulator called DOSBOX. He told me to purposely buy seemingly low quality components because he wanted it to look like all the parts were ordered by someone who doesn't really know what they're looking for.

Now we're ready to begin putting the machine together. I know that I usually start with the CPU, but the CPU and cooler are already installed onto the board at the time of purchase. I moved onto installing the two 4GB sticks of DDR3 1333MHz, no immediate problems there. I then installed the graphics card onto the motherboard and noticed that it wobbled quite a bit in the PCIe slot. This is likely because of the low quality of the motherboard. I was nervous to power it up without securing the card in the case, but I went ahead and did what I always do. That is, put the power supply on its box and put the motherboard on its box and attempt to turn the system on. To do this, I used a screwdriver to short out the power switch pins on the front panel headers. It powered up and I managed to get into BIOS. At this point, I loaded optimized defaults and set the date and time. Also, with the low power draw from just being in BIOS, I was already seeing voltages that were all over the place. I mean, I know that software voltage readings are not entirely accurate and that I'm using a low quality power supply. However, I didn't expect to see the voltages actively changing in BIOS.

I then powered it back down and prepared to install the board into the case. As expected, problems arose immediately. First of all, there were many different sizes and threads of screws that came with the case, but none of them wanted to go into the motherboard standoffs without cross-threading before even one full turn. Finally, I gave up and used some standoffs from my NZXT Phantom 530 that I no longer use because I damaged the side panel a few months ago. Once again, none of the different sizes or threads of included screws fit into the standoffs. I resorted to using the Phantom 530's screws to secure the motherboard. Needless to say, I wasn't very happy with the case. If I hadn't had the old Phantom case, I wouldn't have had a way to secure the motherboard without a trip to the local Digital Concepts. After the motherboard was secured, I noticed that there was only a single header for a case fan. I put the only fan in the case into the only header on the motherboard. The fan was a 120mm blue LED fan mounted to the front of the case. I knew it wouldn't provide enough airflow for even this low power system because its blades were very narrow and far apart, and it was behind a rather fine mesh... I guess it's supposed to be a dust filter? Anyways, I moved on to the graphics card. I went to take the expansion covers off of the case, and found that they were actually welded to the case. If I pulled on them, I was bending the case before they felt like they were even close to coming off. I resorted to my dremel and cut them loose. I then put on a pair of thick leather gloves and got some course grit sand paper to take care of the extra metal. Once that was filed down, I moved to fine grit sand paper and smoothed it down. I was then able to put the graphics card into the motherboard, but I ran into another problem. Thanks to my pulling on the case, the expansion slots were no longer straight and the graphics card would not seat straight. I then took the card back out and bent the case back to a somewhat straight shape and managed to install the graphics card without any more problems.

I then moved on to installing the power supply into the case. This came with its own set of problems. You see, the power supply mounts to the top of the case, and there's this like shelf thing that's supposed to hold it up until you get the screws in. Basically, that was stopping me from fitting the power supply into the space where it has to be in order to line up with the cutout on the back of the case. Feeling defeated, I took the front off of the case and slid the power supply in from the front. I felt like that was simply too much work. I mean, how hard is it to make a case that actually allows you to mount a power supply without taking the front off?

So next came the wiring from the power supply, which was uneventful. Everything fit like it was supposed to. But when it came to the front panel connectors, I ran into another set of challenges. There was no labeling on the board for which pins did what, and I had relied on the diagram in the manual to find the power switch pins to jump start it when it was outside the case. However, the diagram did not show which pins were positive and which were negative. I'm aware that switches don't care which way they're hooked up, but I was worried about the hard drive and power LED's. I didn't want to put them in backwards, so I turned the machine on without the LED's connected and got my multimeter, connecting the red and black wires to each set of pins in each order in an attempt to figure out which way they were. Finally I got it figured out. For the power LED, the negative was on the left. However, it was the other way around for the hard drive LED. WHY?

Anyways, I connected the LED's and powered the machine on to find that they were both working correctly. I felt so accomplished with myself, but also pissed at the horrible design of this case. I wish I knew what company made it, so I could call and complain.

So next came installing the operating system. I had a USB drive with Windows 10 Pro 64-bit on it. I put the drive into the USB port, set USB as the first boot priority, and it actually booted right to it. I was shocked that it only took about forty-five seconds to load. Once at the menu, I selected the appropriate options, entered my product key (I actually bought a legit copy of Windows 10 Pro for this) and ran into a problem. It saw three drives, two of which were approximately 120GB in size, one of which was approximately 800GB in size. I felt that I must be doing something wrong, so I shut the machine down, disconnected SATA data from the HDD and booted up into setup again. Now I saw two disks, each with a 120GB partition and one with 80GB of free space. This seemed really odd, seeing as I had wiped the SSD before putting it in this machine, and that it was the only drive connected and it only had 120GB of storage. I contacted ECS and they told me that a BIOS update was required to overcome this error. So I downloaded the BIOS update to a USB stick and updated BIOS from BIOS setup. I then had to set the date and time again for some reason, even though my other changes were untouched. I ignored that strange behavior, saved my changes and restarted back into Windows 10 setup. I got to the point where I select an install location, and what do you know, it sees a single unallocated 120GB drive. Finally! I then just pressed next to let it manage creating the partitions on its own and waited for it to finish. As expected, it copied Windows files in a matter of one or two seconds. However, what really surprised me was that it managed to finish this part of the installation within ten minutes and moved on to asking me who owned the computer, followed by choosing between Express Settings or custom settings. Of course, I disabled all settings except for using SmartScreen and sending full diagnostics information to Microsoft, then moved on. The installation finished without issue.

I opened the Start Menu and typed Device Manager, but Search wasn't ready yet. So I pressed Win+R to open Run and typed in devmgmt.msc and pressed Enter to get to Device Manager. Once in Device Manager, I downloaded drivers for all devices by right clicking on the devices and selecting Update Driver Software. After that was done, I went to Settings and pulled installed updates by the batch until it didn't find any more, then restarted and tried again until I was sure that I had all updates that were relevant to my machine. For once, I had no problems installing updates on a fresh install of Windows 10.

I don't think I mentioned this above, but the account I was using up to this point was a local account named Admin with no password.

I then had my friend come over to put his Microsoft Account on the machine and we installed Avast Antivirus Free, CCleaner Free, MalwareBytes Anti Malware Free, Revo Uninstaller and WPS Office Free.

Going back about half an hour. I did have a chance to run some stress tests on this machine before he arrived to set it up and take it home. I ran AIDA64 Extreme's System Stability Test on everything except for the disk for ten minutes. I noticed that voltages were all over the place, but I blamed this on the low quality motherboard having a crappy sensor on it. The CPU never went above 50C, even with the really anemic looking cooler on it. Here's the motherboard's product picture. The graphics card was running at 700MHz while never going above 70C even with the very limited airflow. Did I mention that the graphics card has no fans on it? It's just a black heatsink that wraps around the card.

So, after all of this work, I'm left giving my friend a computer that has very little power and that is made of terrible hardware. I can't say that I recommend that anyone reading this ever tries doing this. I ran into a lot more problems than what I put in the article.

One of those problems was that I ended up bending the fan grill on the power supply while attempting to force it into the space at the top of the case. I ended up having to take the grill off of the power supply and pounding it back to a flat shape so that it wasn't pushing on the fan, because that seemed like it would be a safety hazard if the fan couldn't spin freely. To those of you that are not familiar with power supplies, not draining the power could result in getting a lethal shock. However, with these lower quality units, I can't be sure that I was able to actually drain all the power stored inside. I was probably lucky that I didn't get shocked.

My recommendation: Please buy high quality components from reputable brands so that these sort of problems do not arise in your builds.

Thank you to everyone that actually took the time to read through all of this.

-Darren
 


Does that mean that you're going to attempt to copy this build and come to me when you run into problems?

Please don't. For me, it was a waste of over $300 (including Windows).

He didn't actually buy it. He just left me with this machine and said that he'd build one himself. The funny thing is, he's been building computers for longer than I have and he's probably smarter than me when it comes to technology... IDK why he came to me for this, other than to trick me into spending money on something that he didn't actually want.

I'm the owner of WeberTechTips here in Pennsylvania, and I can't sell this machine to a client. I mean, I could, but it just wouldn't be right. I'm not Digital Concepts, I don't just throw stuff together and sell it for twice the price of the parts. So I basically just threw $300 down the drain.

Oh well, maybe I'll use this as mass storage for my network connected machines around the shop.
 


It's made of aluminum and it doesn't look like more than 1.5mm thick. And it's really low quality aluminum, made obvious by how it pops in and out when I put the weight of my finger on the side panel.

I wouldn't trust it to hold anything really. I decided that I'm going to use it to start a workgroup and host some network accessible storage. I'll re-purpose the graphics card for something else... It really isn't necessary for a storage machine. I figure I'll replace Windows 10 with something lighter, maybe Ubuntu?

I should see if this hardware can be used to make a Hackintosh. If so, the level of performance I get out could be used to make fun of how Apple traps its users in Proprietaryville. I know, I shouldn't discriminate like that. I just don't like companies that trap you like that. Have you ever heard of being able to upgrade a Mac other than the hard drive or memory? You can't even upgrade the CPU because the cooling system is a proprietary form factor and you can't add any more heat without the system becoming unbearably loud.
 
Of course, I was only joking about the stepping stool. I don't know anything about Apple products, never owned one, probably never will. I have heard guys over on the ProTools forum talking about putting a Hackintosh together, as it seems ProTools is more stable on Mac OS, although I have a pretty stable ProTools rig on Windows.
 
Wow, I wouldn't ever build anything like that. LOL! The lowest I would go for any build is a AMD socket AM1 system with a cheap Micro-ATX Rosewill case and EVGA 400W power supply.
 


Ah but therein lies the fun of building a PC - it's literally one big trial and error game. You could spend $150 on an NZXT Kraken X61, and find out it's a crappy component, spend $10 on an Arctic Alpine Extreme, or spend $50 on a Cryorig H5 and find out it's the best of the lot. I built my "do not buy" list after building and tweaking PCs over 20 years and seeing so much crap that is currently in my office fall apart - even on new systems. Really it boggles my mind seeing people buy junk like Masscool CPU coolers or Raidmax cases, or Kingston SSDNow SSDs, or Apevia power supplies and case fans when they know very well they could spend an extra $5 - $10 and get something better.
 


But it were shiny! :lol:
 



😀 :bounce: WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S A BAD BUILD??? IT LOOKS SO COOL THOUGH - I'M GONNA BUY IT ANYWAY! :bounce: 😀

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6098P 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($115.67 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Masscool 8W2002F1M4 51.2 CFM CPU Cooler ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ECS H110M-C3D (1.0) Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($44.39 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($92.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 390X 8GB Video Card ($425.22 @ Amazon)
Case: Raidmax Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Apevia 900W ATX Power Supply ($96.30 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Memorex 98240 DVD/CD Writer ($25.69 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 OEM 32-bit ($96.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Apevia CF312SL-UGN 120mm Fans ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1062.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 17:29 EDT-0400
 


Nah, bruh, it's all about the moar cores!!!!1!11!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer 240 74.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($75.20 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($118.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($35.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($35.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($35.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($35.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 6TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($214.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB STRIX Video Card ($629.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Raidmax Viper GX ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: CoolMax 1200W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1691.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 18:05 EDT-0400

:lol:
 
Seriously, a GTX 1080 paired with an FX 9590? WHY? I also, like wow, you wasted so much money by not buying a kit of memory. And really, DDR3 1866MHz for gaming? I'd go at least 2133MHz. We need to make sure our CPU doesn't fall behind though, so we need to contact EKWB and have them custom design us a water block for the CPU and all the power delivery systems, then we need to do an entire custom loop for that machine, even though the waterblocks for that card are hard to come by because they keep selling out.

Not to mention that 1.2KW is not enough for a single CPU and a single graphics card. We need like 1.6KW, don't we?

We also need to go to 64GB of RAM so we can run Crysis 3 in one VM, Cities Skylines in another and GTA V on the host. (yes, I know the board only supports 32GB)

We also need to face the fact that we don't have enough storage. We need to get the NZXT Phantom 820 case and put as many fans in it as we can. Then we need to put in five 2TB SSDs and we need a 1TB PCIe SSD for the boot drive, even though that board doesn't officially support that. Finally, we need an 8TB HDD for archival storage.

We also need a second GTX 1080.

Heck, can that case even cool all of this without sounding like a jet engine? I don't think we have enough radiator space. Time to call Case Labs and have them sell us an SMA8 in the same radiator mount configuration as the one Jason used to build Skunkworks.

What's the price at this point? I wasn't keeping track. Let's just leave it at "too much, can't afford."
 
My final build, including peripherals. I don't even know if any of the peripherals are any good, I just sorted by most expensive and picked the first ones.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($118.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2800 Memory ($459.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 PRO 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($829.36 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 PRO 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($829.36 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 PRO 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($829.36 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 PRO 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($829.36 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 PRO 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($829.36 @ Amazon)
Storage: Intel DC P3608 4TB PCI-E Solid State Drive ($8999.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Gold 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($532.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB STRIX Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($629.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB STRIX Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($629.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Phantom 820 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($196.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA T2 1600W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($382.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($139.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit ($199.99 @ B&H)
Software: Microsoft Office Professional 2016 Software ($399.99 @ B&H)
Software: McAfee Total Protection 2016 (1 Year Subscription) Software ($52.98 @ Newegg)
Software: Sony Vegas Pro 13 Software ($599.95 @ Dell Small Business)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence STX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($260.05 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Eizo CG318-BK 31.1" Monitor ($5254.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Eizo CG318-BK 31.1" Monitor ($5254.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Eizo CG318-BK 31.1" Monitor ($5254.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Eizo CG318-BK 31.1" Monitor ($5254.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech diNovo Edge Bluetooth Wireless Mini Keyboard ($707.98 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Razer Naga Star Wars Edition Wireless Optical Mouse ($649.99 @ Newegg)
Headphones: Sennheiser HD 800 S Headphones ($1699.95 @ Amazon)
Speakers: JBL LSR4328P/PAK 140W 2ch Speakers ($1559.00 @ Newegg)
Other: Liquid Cooling CPU motherboard monoblock thingy ($200.00)
Other: CableMod Cables ($250.00)
Other: Liquid Cooling Stuff ($1500.00)
Total: $45528.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 19:02 EDT-0400
 


Not to mention it needs RGB everything!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 Riing RGB 240 40.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($129.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($118.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($35.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($35.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($35.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($35.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 6TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($214.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB STRIX Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($629.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB STRIX Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($629.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Raidmax Viper GX ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower XT 1275W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($304.54 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Thermaltake CL-F043-PL14SW-B 51.1 CFM 140mm Fan ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case Fan: Thermaltake CL-F043-PL14SW-B 51.1 CFM 140mm Fan ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2633.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 19:08 EDT-0400
 
I am aware that I allowed us to screw around and just post whatever we wanted in the comments and I really enjoyed myself here, but I think it's time we get back to helping other users.

Please no more screwing around on this thread. Thank you.
 


I'm in the process of talking a Kiwi out of those exact 2 parts.
 
If I might chime in my 25 yrs of experience. I'd rather try to rebuild my Commodore 64...from scratch, using plastics I have to form myself, that to start ANY build using an ECS mobo. My very first PC clone, which I had built for me, as all of my experience in working on computers prior to 1996 involved Commodore and Apple IIe, was built using an ECS motherboard and a 486 DX4 100 CPU. This rig lasted literally 1 yr and 1 day. It had a 230 W psu (bargain basement Taiwanese make), a Cirrus Logic VESA/VGA video card with 1 MB VRam, the bottom line Sound Blaster basic audio card, 4 MB of 333 MHz SDRAM and a 14.4 kbps modem. When it died, the PSU sparked something and the motherboard fried the CPU, RAM and GPU in one fell swoop. all I saw was a tiny plume of pale blue smoke coming out of a vent at the rear of the case. The ONLY things that survived that were my 320 MB HDD (Shock, as it was a Seagate...hehehe), my modem (As Weird Al says, I had to wax it to make it go faster) and oddly enough, that cheap little SB sound card. Now I build with the Minimum quality parts on an as needed basis only. the first Build of a PC I did on my own was using an AMD K6 CPU on a Foxconn board but nowadays, I choose at the very worst, MSI mainboards, though I would prefer using either ASUS (when I can afford it) or AsRock mainboards (depending on if AMD or Intel for CPU). My Drives are Samsung for SSDs and Toshiba/HGST or WD for HDDs. 😀 And no...I'm not a tech...not running a PC business...not involved in IT at all in fact...I am a courier for a medical lab. But I am a geek first and foremost and devour Tech reading materials. I'm also a 54 yr old gamer. 😀
 
I forgot to mention that this machine died at the beginning of October. There was evidence of excessively high voltage seen on the motherboard and graphics card. This consists of blown caps, scarring across the PCBs as if there were arcs, etc.

I blame the power supply.