I could use a bit of advice :)

[marcus]

Archived from groups: rec.games.roguelike.adom (More info?)

Forgive the long .vlg, snipped it a bit, not certain what information is
useful for character evaluation. I started playing again a few days ago
after along (multi year absence), so I'm still getting up to speed. This
character has done the best so far, and he seems a prime candidate to
finally progress past the early game. I don't hold out much hope for an
actual victory, with so much uncharted territory ahead, but I'm armed with
spoily knowledge, and I've acquired a lot of nice stuff (by my estimation at
least) so far. In addition to the gear listed here, I've also stored a giant
pile of various decent backup gear, weapons, tools, rings, etc at the shop,
should my equipment get toasted in some manner.

I have not yet proceeded past the trees to Khel, nor have I cleared
Gremlins, High King, Darkforge, Water Dragon, or the Assassins. I acquired
Fire immunity from my crowning.

My main questions would be what should I use the Wish from the ring on, and
what order should I tackle the next few challenges in? Hit some of the
optional dungeons, then dive? Wish for AoLS, save Khel, proceed down from
there? Wish for something else? I have no means of safe bridge building yet,
and I'm a bit paranoid about using Ice to cross that gap.The tower of Flames
looms as a threat as well.

Glorin St:25 Le:11 Wi:25 Dx:22 To:28 Ch:11 Ap: 5 Ma:13 Pe:13
L+
DV/PV: 37/25 H: 216(216) P: 86(86) Exp: 16/259809 D: 9 Sp: 97
Blessed Satiated

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Character Information
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Glorin St:25 Le:11 Wi:25 Dx:22 To:28 Ch:11 Ap: 5 Ma:13 Pe:13 L+
DV/PV: 37/25 H: 216(216) P: 86(86) Exp: 16/259809 M: 47770

Still training up Dex after swapping stats around with exchange to get my
Str up (it was stuck at 18 for a long time, and burdening was a major
problem).


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Background Information
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: Glorin Race: male Dwarf Class: Healer
Eye color: green Hair color: black Complexion: brown
Height: 4' Weight: 163 pounds
Age: 58 (young)
Star sign: Tree Birthday: 21/Tree (day 351 of the year)

YOUR HISTORY:
You decided to become a Healer.


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Weapon Skills
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
--------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- --------------
Clubs & hammers 8 +6 +4 +2 excellent 720
Maces & flails 10 +9 +6 +3 excellent 1698
Swords 3 +2 +1 +0 basic 65

Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
--------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- --------------
Bows 5 +10 +7 +1 skilled 38

Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
--------------------- --- --- ------------- --------------
Shields 6 +12 skilled 120


Damage caused with your melee weapons:
--------------------------------------
ÆRight hand: Î+32Æ bonus to hit, Î8d5+26Æ damage


Damage caused with your missile weapons:
----------------------------------------
ÆAmmunition: Î64Æ, base range: Î14Æ, Î+31Æ bonus to hit, Î1d6+16Æ damage

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Spells
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cure Light Wounds: 198, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Destroy Undead : 7, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Monster : 271, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
Web : 203, 12pp (Effectivity: +0)


Have not found many spellbooks thus far, hoping to get some use out of
Slow/Web on a few dangerous enemies.

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Skills
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Alertness ................ 38 (fair) [+1d5]
Backstabbing ............. 8 (poor) [+3d4]
Climbing ................. 33 (fair) [+3d3]
Concentration ............ 92 (superb) [+2d4]
Cooking .................. 25 (mediocre) [+3d5] (mr)
Courage .................. 40 (fair) [+1d5]
Detect traps ............. 53 (good) [+1d5]
Find weakness ............100 (superb) [+1d5]
First aid ................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Gardening ................ 44 (fair) [+3d3]
Haggling ................. 32 (fair) [+4d5]
Healing ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Herbalism ................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Listening ................ 89 (great) [+3d3]
Literacy ................. 91 (superb) [+1d5]
Metallurgy ............... 47 (fair) [+2d4]
Mining ................... 63 (good) [+1]
Smithing ................. 25 (mediocre) [+3d5]
Tactics .................. 30 (mediocre) [+1d5]
Two weapon combat ........ 29 (mediocre) [+3d3]




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Inventory
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Total weight: 4087 stones Carrying capacity: 5875 stones

Head : uncursed orcish helmet [+1, +2] {Pe-2} [100s]
Neck : uncursed amulet of free action [3s]
Body : uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
Girdle : blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Cloak : uncursed cloak of defense [+3, +0] [20s]
Right Hand : blessed lead-filled mace "Big Punch" (+1, 8d5+3) [-6, +0]
Left Hand : blessed dwarven shield "Rolf's Saviour" (+2) [+9, +6][120s]
Right Ring : blessed ring of damage [1s]
Left Ring : blessed ring of damage [1s]
Bracers : uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+4} [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : uncursed light boots [+0, +3] [20s]
Missile weapon: uncursed long bow of accuracy (+8, +2) [30s]
Missiles : bundle of 64 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [128s]
Tool : heap of 77 blessed spenseweeds [154s]


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Stuff
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Total weight: 2615 stones Carrying capacity: 5875 stones

Helmets ('[')
uncursed mithril cap [+0, +2] [40s]
uncursed diadem of beauty [+0, +0] {Ap+4} [35s]
Armor ('[')
blessed Shirt of the Saints [+8, +4] {Le+2} [20s]
Cloaks ('[')
uncursed hooded cloak [+1, +1] [40s]
Girdles ('[')
uncursed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Necklaces (''')
uncursed necklace of rabies resistance [2s]
blessed pendant of beauty {Ap+4} [3s]
uncursed amulet of balance [3s]
uncursed amulet of light [3s]
uncursed ankh [3s]
blessed amulet of order [3s]
uncursed necklace of rapid healing [2s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
blessed adamantium mace of mayhem (+0, 3d6+12) [72s]
uncursed dagger of death (+1, 5d5+2) [10s]
heap of 2 uncursed pick axes (+0, 1d6+1) [150s]
uncursed short sword of vampirism (+0, 1d6) [30s]
blessed eternium scimitar (+0, 2d8+8) [19s]
Two-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed halberd of defense (+7, 2d7+6) [+18, +0] [80s]
Missile weapons ('}')
uncursed sling of the long shot (+2, +1) [3s]
uncursed short bow (+4, +3) [20s]
uncursed light crossbow (+4, +3) [70s]
uncursed sling of accuracy (+5, +1) [3s]
uncursed short bow [20s]
Missiles ('*')
uncursed rock (+2, 1d4) [5s]
bundle of 6 uncursed arrows of construct slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [12s]
heap of 7 uncursed rocks (+0, 1d4) [35s]
uncursed arrow (+2, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 12 blessed arrows of slaying (+1, 1d6) [24s]
bundle of 8 uncursed lead sling bullets (+3, 1d5) [24s]
bundle of 4 blessed arrows (+0, 1d6) [8s]
uncursed arrow of hunting (+0, 1d6) [2s]
uncursed arrow (+0, 1d6+2) [2s]
bundle of 6 uncursed lead sling bullets (+3, 1d5+2) [18s]
bundle of 8 uncursed arrows of dragon slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [16s]
uncursed throwing knife (+3, 1d3+2) [8s]
blessed rock (+0, 1d4) [5s]
bundle of 15 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6) [30s]
bundle of 6 uncursed adamantium quarrels (+1, 2d6+6) [6s]
bundle of 7 uncursed quarrels (+2, 2d6) [14s]
uncursed arrow (+1, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 9 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6+1) [18s]
bundle of 15 blessed quarrels (+1, 2d6) [30s]
bundle of 16 uncursed arrows [32s]
Tools (']')
heap of 10 uncursed bandages [20s]
uncursed tinderbox (17) [3s]
uncursed triangular key [1s]
blessed climbing set [180s]
heap of 2 uncursed thieves picks [10s]
uncursed fireproof blanket [10s]
uncursed holy symbol [5s]
heap of 2 uncursed torches [20s]
uncursed si [10s]
Instruments ('{')
uncursed mandoline [23s]
Rings ('=')
uncursed ring of damage [1s]
uncursed ring of stun resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of cold resistance [1s]
blessed ring of djinni summoning [1s]
uncursed ring of damage [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of door creation (1 charge) [3s]
blessed wand of digging (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of acid (2 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of acid (2 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of webbing (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of light (0 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of magic missiles (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of knocking (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of fire (3 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of item detection (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of destruction (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of stunning (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of knocking (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster detection (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of light (9 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of light (7 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of poison (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of magic missiles (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of fireballs (0 charges) [3s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 7 blessed potions of extra healing [14s]
uncursed potion of boost speed [2s]
uncursed potion of cure corruption [2s]
potion of holy water [4s]
uncursed potion of extra healing [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of carrot juice [8s]
uncursed potion of boost dexterity [2s]
uncursed potion of healing [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed berzio potions [4s]
uncursed potion of blindness [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed oils of rust removal [4s]
uncursed potion of boost charisma [2s]
uncursed potion of boost strength [2s]
blessed potion of carrot juice [4s]
blessed potion of balance [4s]
uncursed potion of booze [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of cure poison [4s]
blessed potion of exchange [4s]
uncursed potion of beauty [4s]
Scrolls ('?')
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of light [6s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of magic mapping [4s]
uncursed scroll of gold detection [2s]
heap of 4 blessed scrolls of uncursing [8s]
uncursed scroll of power [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of great identify [4s]
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of darkness [6s]
uncursed scroll of amnesia [2s]
uncursed scroll of item detection [2s]
Food ('%')
heap of 41 uncursed spenseweeds [82s]
heap of 11 uncursed curaria mancox herbs [22s]
heap of 28 blessed curaria mancox herbs [56s]
heap of 8 uncursed pepper petals [16s]
heap of 34 blessed alraunia antidotes [68s]
heap of 14 uncursed alraunia antidotes [28s]
heap of 55 blessed stomacemptia herbs [110s]
heap of 16 blessed pepper petals [32s]
heap of 16 uncursed stomafillia herbs [32s]
heap of 41 uncursed stomacemptia herbs [82s]
heap of 33 uncursed moss patches of mareilon [66s]
heap of 10 uncursed morgia roots [20s]
heap of 13 uncursed cooked lizards [39s]
heap of 2 uncursed bits of gnomish candy [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed bits of plain candy [4s]
heap of 26 blessed morgia roots [52s]
heap of 2 uncursed dwarven sausages [40s]
heap of 7 blessed stomafillia herbs [14s]
heap of 100 uncursed fried bats [300s]
heap of 13 uncursed bones [52s]
uncursed hurthling cake [30s]
heap of 2 cursed morgia roots [4s]
heap of 5 blessed moss patches of mareilon [10s]
blessed spenseweed [2s]
cursed spenseweed [2s]
uncursed piece of fresh meat [20s]
Valuables ('$')
2408 gold pieces [24s]


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Achievements
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He survived for 0 years, 47 days, 7 hours, 28 minutes and 1 second (47770
turns).
Glorin visited 50 places.
His strength score was modified by +11 during his career.
His learning score was modified by +4 during his career.
His willpower score was modified by +6 during his career.
His dexterity score was modified by +11 during his career.
His toughness score was modified by +2 during his career.
His charisma score was modified by -1 during his career.
His appearance score was modified by +4 during his career.
His perception score was modified by +2 during his career.
He was the champion of the arena.

 

[MadDog]

Archived from groups: rec.games.roguelike.adom (More info?)

Marcus wrote:
> Forgive the long .vlg, snipped it a bit, not certain
> what information is useful for character evaluation. I
> started playing again a few days ago after along (multi
> year absence), so I'm still getting up to speed. This
> character has done the best so far, and he seems a prime
> candidate to finally progress past the early game. I
> don't hold out much hope for an actual victory, with so
> much uncharted territory ahead, but I'm armed with
> spoily knowledge, and I've acquired a lot of nice stuff
> (by my estimation at least) so far. In addition to the
> gear listed here, I've also stored a giant pile of
> various decent backup gear, weapons, tools, rings, etc
> at the shop, should my equipment get toasted in some
> manner.
>
> I have not yet proceeded past the trees to Khel, nor
> have I cleared Gremlins, High King, Darkforge, Water
> Dragon, or the Assassins. I acquired Fire immunity from
> my crowning.
>
> My main questions would be what should I use the Wish
> from the ring on, and what order should I tackle the
> next few challenges in? Hit some of the optional
> dungeons, then dive? Wish for AoLS, save Khel, proceed
> down from there? Wish for something else? I have no
> means of safe bridge building yet, and I'm a bit
> paranoid about using Ice to cross that gap.The tower of
> Flames looms as a threat as well.

A wish to save Khelly is generally a good idea. Not only
for the possibility of ultra endings (which you have
forfeited by crowning), but also for the stack of ?oCR.
You get six blessed ones and believe me - they frequently
see use.

Otherwise it could be an idea to wish for Food
Preservation. As skill goes I find this particular one
very useful. Starvation is always a haunting ghost, and a
great many corpses have useful benefits. Since you have
Cooking you might also be lucky to find a cooking set
although they are rare beasts (and also wish candidates
for that very reason).

Another frequent wish is 7LB. I can
see you still lack a pair and they are pretty difficult to
find. Down the line of wish candidates we find a girdle of
giant strength. Typically this wonder will add +12 to
strength making it almost as effective as a girdle of
carrying as far as CC goes. The higher strength will add a
few HP and make you more lethal in melee.

Don't be paranoid regarding ice brigdes. However be VERY
paranoid regarding confusion resistence. You will most
likely perish if you wind up confused.

You need a ring of ice for the ToEF as I see it. You may
have to rely on invisibility and ranged attacks.


[SNIP]

>
> Cure Light Wounds: 198, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
> Destroy Undead : 7, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
> Slow Monster : 271, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
> Web : 203, 12pp (Effectivity: +0)
>
>
> Have not found many spellbooks thus far, hoping to get
> some use out of Slow/Web on a few dangerous enemies.
After level 25 you will get plenty of spells to cast on
each level up in the same fashion as elementalists. Among
the lovely additions you will find Calm Monster which will
make breeders/summoners much much easier to handle since
you can let them kill eachother and :swap towards the
summoner itself.


> [3s] uncursed ank [3s]
Unless you are in danger of paralysis I'd wear this


> climbing set [180s]
180s of dead weight. I'd leave it in an appropiate spot.

> heap of 55 blessed stomacemptia herb [110s]
These aren't worth 110s of inventory space.

 

[MadDog]

Archived from groups: rec.games.roguelike.adom (More info?)

Marcus wrote:
> I just finished plowing both Darkforge (no problem with
> Golems), and Gremlins to grab the Phial. I'll probably
> run over to the Assassins to get the \Tele, as I've
> acquired Teleportitis and TC, which is pretty darn nice.
> Not sure about doing Blup's mom with my current gear,
> and need to find some Ice to get the kings ring.
>
You need to be careful around the water dragon. She can be
very difficult to vanquish. Once you have the level sorted
you can use a gremlin bomb to generate some pretty neat
equipment. I trust you want to use the Phial to train
Concentration the last few notches to 100? Or simply sac
it? I find it rather useless as artifacts goes.

>> A wish to save Khelly is generally a good idea. Not
>> only for the possibility of ultra endings (which you
>> have forfeited by crowning), but also for the stack of
>> ?oCR. You get six blessed ones and believe me - they
>> frequently see use.
>
> This was my thought - on both aspects. I wasn't planning
> on going for a nonstandard ending just yet (I'd be quite
> happy with a successful escape after closing!).
>
A sound approach. No need to strech your luck.

>> Otherwise it could be an idea to wish for Food
>> Preservation. As skill goes I find this particular one
>> very useful. Starvation is always a haunting ghost, and
>> a great many corpses have useful benefits. Since you
>> have Cooking you might also be lucky to find a cooking
>> set although they are rare beasts (and also wish
>> candidates for that very reason).
>
> This was another thought, as I've had very poor luck
> with corpses. This character actually almost starved to
> death at one point, I made it out of the UD chewing on
> unid'd herbs at the start of the game.
>
Not infrequent. Food can be a problem. Have you pacified
the big room to make 'fillia harvesting more smooth?

>> Another frequent wish is 7LB. I can
>> see you still lack a pair and they are pretty difficult
>> to find. Down the line of wish candidates we find a
>> girdle of giant strength. Typically this wonder will
>> add +12 to strength making it almost as effective as a
>> girdle of carrying as far as CC goes. The higher
>> strength will add a few HP and make you more lethal in
>> melee.
>
> Either of those would be nice. 7LB would allow me to
> kite enemies around, correct? I'm very leery of getting
> into melee range with anything that sounds the least bit
> unpleasant.
>
7LB do show up sooner or later. A recent post showed that
they can be generated with relative safely using mithril
boots, the ancient scythe and a handful of redundant
potions. As for the girdle - they are dreadfully rare. Not
only do they have a low generation seed they also require
a rather high danger level to show up. To my recollection
I have only seen 3 randomly generated.

>> Don't be paranoid regarding ice brigdes. However be
>> VERY paranoid regarding confusion resistence. You will
>> most likely perish if you wind up confused.
>
> My shirt of Saints cover this, without losing anything
> critical from the wrapping?
>
You don't need cold immunity and I don't think he can use
death rays.

>> You need a ring of ice for the ToEF as I see it. You
>> may have to rely on invisibility and ranged attacks.
>
> Hmm yes, been looking for one, figured it wasn't worth
> burning the wish on. I figure it should turn up sooner
> or later.
>
Sometimes they can be really hard to find. Not worth a
wish IMHO. Would rather gremlin bomb for them if it comes
to that.

>> [SNIP]
>>
>>>
>>> Cure Light Wounds: 198, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
>>> Destroy Undead : 7, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
>>> Slow Monster : 271, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
>>> Web : 203, 12pp (Effectivity: +0)
>>>
>>>
>>> Have not found many spellbooks thus far, hoping to get
>>> some use out of Slow/Web on a few dangerous enemies.
>> After level 25 you will get plenty of spells to cast on
>> each level up in the same fashion as elementalists.
>> Among the lovely additions you will find Calm Monster
>> which will make breeders/summoners much much easier to
>> handle since you can let them kill eachother and :swap
>> towards the summoner itself.
>
> Ah, nice! I did not know that.
>
Playing a Healer without familiarizing with the class .
Healers are in many respects spellcasters. They are good
at reading from spellbooks and gain some nice and useful
spells automatically. If you are lucky enough to find a
bookshop you'll have a regular spellcaster on your hands.
Got a Wand Dark Elven Healer who did that (yep - they
start neutral to fully benefit from Wand).

>>> [3s] uncursed ank [3s]
>> Unless you are in danger of paralysis I'd wear this
>
> I'm dreadfully paranoid of paralysis (and my frequent
> random encounters with dark elven priestesses etc makes
> me nervous), so while I'd like to wear it, unless I can
> find another source of -para, I usually keep it on,
> except in cases like the Gremlin cave etc.
>
Not altogther that stupid. I'd personally feel better with
a little extra PV/DV.

>>
>>> climbing set [180s]
>> 180s of dead weight. I'd leave it in an appropiate
>> spot.
>
> Ah, had just been planning a trip over to the rotk, then
> realized I didn't have a means of icing a bridge.
>
LOL. Yes they can ALSO be a bit difficult to find.

>>> heap of 55 blessed stomacemptia herb [110s]
>> These aren't worth 110s of inventory space.
>
> I'll dump some down, part of the reason I was carrying
> so much food was the artifact food drain, I hadn't been
> crowned at the time, and was going from bloated to
> hungry rapidly. Seems to be much better now.

Well there is just that little thing about 'cemptia - it
doesn't fill, it makes you more hungry... It does come in
handy when you need to eat a lot of corpses fast
(quicklings in the tree, bugs in bugville and giantkin
with a glowing ring of weakness on your finger), but aside
from that they have no practical use. And they work far
far better in cursed state.

 

[marcus]

Archived from groups: rec.games.roguelike.adom (More info?)

I just finished plowing both Darkforge (no problem with Golems), and
Gremlins to grab the Phial. I'll probably run over to the Assassins to get
the \Tele, as I've acquired Teleportitis and TC, which is pretty darn nice.
Not sure about doing Blup's mom with my current gear, and need to find some
Ice to get the kings ring.

> A wish to save Khelly is generally a good idea. Not only
> for the possibility of ultra endings (which you have
> forfeited by crowning), but also for the stack of ?oCR.
> You get six blessed ones and believe me - they frequently
> see use.

This was my thought - on both aspects. I wasn't planning on going for a
nonstandard ending just yet (I'd be quite happy with a successful escape
after closing!).

> Otherwise it could be an idea to wish for Food
> Preservation. As skill goes I find this particular one
> very useful. Starvation is always a haunting ghost, and a
> great many corpses have useful benefits. Since you have
> Cooking you might also be lucky to find a cooking set
> although they are rare beasts (and also wish candidates
> for that very reason).

This was another thought, as I've had very poor luck with corpses. This
character actually almost starved to death at one point, I made it out of
the UD chewing on unid'd herbs at the start of the game.

> Another frequent wish is 7LB. I can
> see you still lack a pair and they are pretty difficult to
> find. Down the line of wish candidates we find a girdle of
> giant strength. Typically this wonder will add +12 to
> strength making it almost as effective as a girdle of
> carrying as far as CC goes. The higher strength will add a
> few HP and make you more lethal in melee.

Either of those would be nice. 7LB would allow me to kite enemies around,
correct? I'm very leery of getting into melee range with anything that
sounds the least bit unpleasant.

> Don't be paranoid regarding ice brigdes. However be VERY
> paranoid regarding confusion resistence. You will most
> likely perish if you wind up confused.

My shirt of Saints cover this, without losing anything critical from the
wrapping?

> You need a ring of ice for the ToEF as I see it. You may
> have to rely on invisibility and ranged attacks.

Hmm yes, been looking for one, figured it wasn't worth burning the wish on.
I figure it should turn up sooner or later.

>
> [SNIP]
>
>>
>> Cure Light Wounds: 198, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
>> Destroy Undead : 7, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
>> Slow Monster : 271, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
>> Web : 203, 12pp (Effectivity: +0)
>>
>>
>> Have not found many spellbooks thus far, hoping to get
>> some use out of Slow/Web on a few dangerous enemies.
> After level 25 you will get plenty of spells to cast on
> each level up in the same fashion as elementalists. Among
> the lovely additions you will find Calm Monster which will
> make breeders/summoners much much easier to handle since
> you can let them kill eachother and :swap towards the
> summoner itself.

Ah, nice! I did not know that.

>
>> [3s] uncursed ank [3s]
> Unless you are in danger of paralysis I'd wear this

I'm dreadfully paranoid of paralysis (and my frequent random encounters with
dark elven priestesses etc makes me nervous), so while I'd like to wear it,
unless I can find another source of -para, I usually keep it on, except in
cases like the Gremlin cave etc.

>
>> climbing set [180s]
> 180s of dead weight. I'd leave it in an appropiate spot.

Ah, had just been planning a trip over to the rotk, then realized I didn't
have a means of icing a bridge.

>> heap of 55 blessed stomacemptia herb [110s]
> These aren't worth 110s of inventory space.

I'll dump some down, part of the reason I was carrying so much food was the
artifact food drain, I hadn't been crowned at the time, and was going from
bloated to hungry rapidly. Seems to be much better now.

 

[marcus]

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maddog@dsr.kvl.dk wrote:
> You need to be careful around the water dragon. She can be
> very difficult to vanquish. Once you have the level sorted
> you can use a gremlin bomb to generate some pretty neat
> equipment. I trust you want to use the Phial to train
> Concentration the last few notches to 100? Or simply sac
> it? I find it rather useless as artifacts goes.

Ah indeed, I've been reading the group extensively, and have seem numerous
respectful posts regarding her. My thought was to hop in, magic map (scrolls
safe with blessed waterproof blanket?), teleport to her, say hi, tell Blup,
then come back and fight her with Darkness, after I had gained a bit more
power. I experienced the 'being washed away' by a water E in Darkforge, and
that sliced right through whatever my resists happened to be (come to think
of it, the Steel Golems could hurt me a bit also - nothing Spenseweed
couldn't handle, but enough that I was careful while fighting there).

Yes, largely for saccing, though I suppose I'm farther damaging my ability
to post-crown myself.

> Not infrequent. Food can be a problem. Have you pacified
> the big room to make 'fillia harvesting more smooth?

Indeed, after seeing the \WoDR technique, I tried it out with excellent
success. Annoyingly, this character didn't have enough !mana or !booze to
complete it the first time, and the RNG decided it would be funny to dump
two summoners and two breeders on the level while there were two unfinished
doors in the trap room (didn't have enough \Digging to do it the alternate
way either). In any case, it was sorted out. There aren't a lot of herb
bushes there, but enough to get some filla, morgia, spense, and mareilon.
Haven't acquired a ton of Holy Water, so I can't create more easily yet. Is
there any other way to create Water potions out of normal potions? I'm
misremembering Nethack's method of diluting/watering down normal potions I
think.

> 7LB do show up sooner or later. A recent post showed that
> they can be generated with relative safely using mithril
> boots, the ancient scythe and a handful of redundant
> potions. As for the girdle - they are dreadfully rare. Not
> only do they have a low generation seed they also require
> a rather high danger level to show up. To my recollection
> I have only seen 3 randomly generated.

They did indeed. Acquired a pair while scumming for a ?ID (seriously, I
can't find one! got a ton of junk that needs to be looked at, including
several unid'd amulets that could be AoLS). Blessed those. They are NOT safe
from the ToEF correct? Is there any way to look at an item to determine what
material it is made of, short of great identify?

If one of those amulets I picked up turns out to be AoLS, I think I'll
summon up the girdle. Is it made out of a superior metal?

>>> Don't be paranoid regarding ice brigdes. However be
>>> VERY paranoid regarding confusion resistence. You will
>>> most likely perish if you wind up confused.
>>
>> My shirt of Saints cover this, without losing anything
>> critical from the wrapping?
>>
> You don't need cold immunity and I don't think he can use
> death rays.

Ok, that should work for fighting him. I've got Slaying arrows, so I can
open, back off with 7LB, and pelt him. Big Punch makes that 2000 stone limit
a little uncomfortable.

>>> You need a ring of ice for the ToEF as I see it. You
>>> may have to rely on invisibility and ranged attacks.
>>
>> Hmm yes, been looking for one, figured it wasn't worth
>> burning the wish on. I figure it should turn up sooner
>> or later.
>>
> Sometimes they can be really hard to find. Not worth a
> wish IMHO. Would rather gremlin bomb for them if it comes
> to that.

Not familiar with this? Gremlins don't drop items, so are you referring to
pickpocketing? I have yet to acquire that skill, as I stayed L trying to
pre-crown, now L+ from crowning. I did some reading on
alignment/altars/crowning, but I couldn't see any effects from changing
alignment at this point. Is it impossible? Or will I lose the Blessing, or
something else? (incidently, what DOES that Blessing do? Just another
helpful bit like Lucky/Fate/luck from the Ankh?).

I probably should have switched to N early in any case, both to get PP, and
to say hi to the Dwarven Mystic (had never done that before, so didn't
realize I could have acquired something other than the axe). Pity the Axe
and the Shield don't get bonuses when used together. It's pretty pointless
otherwise, and again, I just raised the level I'll need for post-crowning
again.

> Playing a Healer without familiarizing with the class .
> Healers are in many respects spellcasters. They are good
> at reading from spellbooks and gain some nice and useful
> spells automatically. If you are lucky enough to find a
> bookshop you'll have a regular spellcaster on your hands.
> Got a Wand Dark Elven Healer who did that (yep - they
> start neutral to fully benefit from Wand).

Haha, well, I've been playing all random classes since I just restarted,
trying to get a feel for the game. I mostly just look at their starting
gear/stats/skills, and then go from there. Only class ability I've acquired
so far seems to be fast healing. I suppose I should go read up a bit more on
my powers 😉 I know I can use a Stethoscope without taking time? Doesn't
seem immensely powerful, since I'm not inclined to get into melee with
anything I don't recognize if I can avoid it.

>>>> [3s] uncursed ank [3s]
>>> Unless you are in danger of paralysis I'd wear this
>>
>> I'm dreadfully paranoid of paralysis (and my frequent
>> random encounters with dark elven priestesses etc makes
>> me nervous), so while I'd like to wear it, unless I can
>> find another source of -para, I usually keep it on,
>> except in cases like the Gremlin cave etc.
>>
> Not altogther that stupid. I'd personally feel better with
> a little extra PV/DV.

Does the ankh need to be great id'd to give the DV/PV bonus? And are there
any other items I can reasonably expect to find that give -para?

>>>> heap of 55 blessed stomacemptia herb [110s]
>>> These aren't worth 110s of inventory space.
>>
>> I'll dump some down, part of the reason I was carrying
>> so much food was the artifact food drain, I hadn't been
>> crowned at the time, and was going from bloated to
>> hungry rapidly. Seems to be much better now.
>
> Well there is just that little thing about 'cemptia - it
> doesn't fill, it makes you more hungry... It does come in
> handy when you need to eat a lot of corpses fast
> (quicklings in the tree, bugs in bugville and giantkin
> with a glowing ring of weakness on your finger), but aside
> from that they have no practical use. And they work far
> far better in cursed state.

*bonk* Blame it on late night posting. I thought you were referring to a
stack of stomafilla herbs. I was using them for exactly that purpose. I
didn't know that worn stat enhancing items had an effect on the potential
gain. That seems... clunky or oddly designed. I'll keep it in mind when
eating stuff though (and save stat - rings!).

I picked up the Staff of the Wanderer from Darkforge, it doesn't seem
especially useful, but I noticed it does have =Shock. Would that help much
if I decided to tackle the Blue Dragons later in the game, or is it not
worth giving up my shield slot for? And it still doesn't save my equip, as
with =Fire, correct?

 

[MadDog]

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Marcus wrote:
> I just finished plowing both Darkforge (no problem with
> Golems), and Gremlins to grab the Phial. I'll probably
> run over to the Assassins to get the \Tele, as I've
> acquired Teleportitis and TC, which is pretty darn nice.
> Not sure about doing Blup's mom with my current gear,
> and need to find some Ice to get the kings ring.
>
You need to be careful around the water dragon. She can be
very difficult to vanquish. Once you have the level sorted
you can use a gremlin bomb to generate some pretty neat
equipment. I trust you want to use the Phial to train
Concentration the last few notches to 100? Or simply sac
it? I find it rather useless as artifacts goes.

>> A wish to save Khelly is generally a good idea. Not
>> only for the possibility of ultra endings (which you
>> have forfeited by crowning), but also for the stack of
>> ?oCR. You get six blessed ones and believe me - they
>> frequently see use.
>
> This was my thought - on both aspects. I wasn't planning
> on going for a nonstandard ending just yet (I'd be quite
> happy with a successful escape after closing!).
>
A sound approach. No need to strech your luck.

>> Otherwise it could be an idea to wish for Food
>> Preservation. As skill goes I find this particular one
>> very useful. Starvation is always a haunting ghost, and
>> a great many corpses have useful benefits. Since you
>> have Cooking you might also be lucky to find a cooking
>> set although they are rare beasts (and also wish
>> candidates for that very reason).
>
> This was another thought, as I've had very poor luck
> with corpses. This character actually almost starved to
> death at one point, I made it out of the UD chewing on
> unid'd herbs at the start of the game.
>
Not infrequent. Food can be a problem. Have you pacified
the big room to make 'fillia harvesting more smooth?

>> Another frequent wish is 7LB. I can
>> see you still lack a pair and they are pretty difficult
>> to find. Down the line of wish candidates we find a
>> girdle of giant strength. Typically this wonder will
>> add +12 to strength making it almost as effective as a
>> girdle of carrying as far as CC goes. The higher
>> strength will add a few HP and make you more lethal in
>> melee.
>
> Either of those would be nice. 7LB would allow me to
> kite enemies around, correct? I'm very leery of getting
> into melee range with anything that sounds the least bit
> unpleasant.
>
7LB do show up sooner or later. A recent post showed that
they can be generated with relative safely using mithril
boots, the ancient scythe and a handful of redundant
potions. As for the girdle - they are dreadfully rare. Not
only do they have a low generation seed they also require
a rather high danger level to show up. To my recollection
I have only seen 3 randomly generated.

>> Don't be paranoid regarding ice brigdes. However be
>> VERY paranoid regarding confusion resistence. You will
>> most likely perish if you wind up confused.
>
> My shirt of Saints cover this, without losing anything
> critical from the wrapping?
>
You don't need cold immunity and I don't think he can use
death rays.

>> You need a ring of ice for the ToEF as I see it. You
>> may have to rely on invisibility and ranged attacks.
>
> Hmm yes, been looking for one, figured it wasn't worth
> burning the wish on. I figure it should turn up sooner
> or later.
>
Sometimes they can be really hard to find. Not worth a
wish IMHO. Would rather gremlin bomb for them if it comes
to that.

>> [SNIP]
>>
>>>
>>> Cure Light Wounds: 198, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
>>> Destroy Undead : 7, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
>>> Slow Monster : 271, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
>>> Web : 203, 12pp (Effectivity: +0)
>>>
>>>
>>> Have not found many spellbooks thus far, hoping to get
>>> some use out of Slow/Web on a few dangerous enemies.
>> After level 25 you will get plenty of spells to cast on
>> each level up in the same fashion as elementalists.
>> Among the lovely additions you will find Calm Monster
>> which will make breeders/summoners much much easier to
>> handle since you can let them kill eachother and :swap
>> towards the summoner itself.
>
> Ah, nice! I did not know that.
>
Playing a Healer without familiarizing with the class .
Healers are in many respects spellcasters. They are good
at reading from spellbooks and gain some nice and useful
spells automatically. If you are lucky enough to find a
bookshop you'll have a regular spellcaster on your hands.
Got a Wand Dark Elven Healer who did that (yep - they
start neutral to fully benefit from Wand).

>>> [3s] uncursed ank [3s]
>> Unless you are in danger of paralysis I'd wear this
>
> I'm dreadfully paranoid of paralysis (and my frequent
> random encounters with dark elven priestesses etc makes
> me nervous), so while I'd like to wear it, unless I can
> find another source of -para, I usually keep it on,
> except in cases like the Gremlin cave etc.
>
Not altogther that stupid. I'd personally feel better with
a little extra PV/DV.

>>
>>> climbing set [180s]
>> 180s of dead weight. I'd leave it in an appropiate
>> spot.
>
> Ah, had just been planning a trip over to the rotk, then
> realized I didn't have a means of icing a bridge.
>
LOL. Yes they can ALSO be a bit difficult to find.

>>> heap of 55 blessed stomacemptia herb [110s]
>> These aren't worth 110s of inventory space.
>
> I'll dump some down, part of the reason I was carrying
> so much food was the artifact food drain, I hadn't been
> crowned at the time, and was going from bloated to
> hungry rapidly. Seems to be much better now.

Well there is just that little thing about 'cemptia - it
doesn't fill, it makes you more hungry... It does come in
handy when you need to eat a lot of corpses fast
(quicklings in the tree, bugs in bugville and giantkin
with a glowing ring of weakness on your finger), but aside
from that they have no practical use. And they work far
far better in cursed state.