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O.K guys I hope someone can help me out there and soon. Heres my problem. I have a Dell computer (someone elses) with onboard graphics and some how or another they managed to break the connecter off that the monitor cable screws into I brought it home and put an Nvidia PCI card in it hoping that the darn thing would recignize it and give me some video but no luck. I tried the F2 button on boot to try and get in the safe mode to turn off the onboard video but no luck.Right now Im starring at my other monitor with 1/2 black and 1/2 pink split right dowm the middle.I even tried hooking it upto my network thinking I could at least get in to it that way but the darn thing ask for a pass word to get into it,and I now its never been hooked to a network before.so any ideas on a pass word or ANYTHING to get this thing going please help.The sooner the better. Thanks Alot.
 

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I checked out that link and its not the BIOS that im locked out of its the complete computer when I click on it in my network it ask for a password to get into it. I did see something on there that might help --taking the hard drive out and installing it as a slave maybe this way I can get into the guts of it and shut off that onboard video--- or just put it in an identical system ( which I think there daughter has) anyway thanks for the post every little bit helps. oh by the way its a Dimension 2350 model.
 

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Hi its me again by the way if I do decide to hook that hard drive up to a different system (not a Dell system) will I run into any problems with the other system recignizing it as a slave and also will I beable to get into it far enough to shut the onboard video off . Thanks Again for all the help.
 

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Hi its me again by the way if I do decide to hook that hard drive up to a different system (not a Dell system) will I run into any problems with the other system recignizing it as a slave and also will I be able to get into it far enough to shut the onboard video off . Thanks Again for all the help.
Your question is hmmm, unclear. Are you trying to turn off on-board video through the hard drive? If the jumpers are set correctly you can use any hard drive as a slave. It also depends on the IDE cable you use. If you hook up two hard drives (one master/one slave) using two cables you have to set jumpers as master for one and slave for the other. If you are using the same cable (provided it is one of the newer cables) you can set jumpers on both drives as "cable select". This way the drive will be slave or master depending on which connector it is attached to. If you hook up this drive as slave you will be able to see its content in Windows explorer, for example, but this has nothing to do with turning off on-board video which can be done ONLY through BIOS.

You can typically find jumper settings if you find your hard drive model on its manufacturer's web site.


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Yes I need to turn off the onboard video (so I can get this system to recognize the video card in the PCI slot that I installed) but as I posted in the original ? the onboard video connector is broken off the motherboard and the only thing I get on the monitor when I boot up is a 1/2 black 1/2 purple screen,and if I hit F2 on boot its like the video card in the PCI slot gets the power turned off on it when I do this the monitor power light doesnt even turn to green from amber color.
 

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You are screwed, man. You need a new motherboard or you need to solder the VGA output back onto the motherboard. But then if you did this and your on-board returned to life why would you need the PCI card :eek:)

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O.K but there has to be some way that this system will recognize the PCI add in card or there has to be some way to get into this thing and unistall the on board video,Im thinking that if I can get into it hopfully through my network or through putting the hard drive as a slave into another system and then unistalling the onboard video drivers-shutting the system down---installing the pci card rebooting the system and hopfully the thing reads the pci card.-----I have this thing hooked into my network right now and when I go into my work group on my system which is running good I click on the icon for the broke system and the dam thing ask me for a password to connect to it I called dell to see if they had a factory set pass word for the network connection and they dont as far as this technician knew that i got on the phone.So anyone out there that knows this password send it on PLEASE!!!!!
 

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EDIT: Added quote and comment below

there has to be some way that this system will recognize the PCI add in card or there has to be some way to get into this thing and unistall the on board video,Im thinking that if I can get into it hopfully through my network or through putting the hard drive as a slave into another system and then unistalling the onboard video drivers-shutting the system down---installing the pci card rebooting the system...
Dude, none of this will work. Uninstalling drivers in Windows will NOT change your BIOS settings. Obviously you don't know where the problem really lies.

I actually figured out a solution for you. <font color=red>BUT</font color=red> it will only work if you have access to a Dell PC with an identical motherboard. If you do then follow these steps:

1. Insert your PCI card into the motherboard with a working on-board video while the monitor is connected to the on-board video;
2. Boot-up the PC and go into BIOS
3. Disable on-board video and enable PCI video
4. Choose to save BIOS settings and exit. The system will reboot.
5. While it boots, disconnect the monitor from on-board video and plug it into the PCI card
6. When Windows starts, do not bother to install drivers and stuff for the PCI card, just cancel out and reboot with a bootable BIOS flashing utility disk (you will have to research on your own how to flash your BIOS. I am pretty sure they have utilities for that on DELL site)
7. When the system boots with BIOS flash utility disk do not bother to flash the BIOS, just SAVE the current BIOS for backup. The BIOS you will be saving has on-board video disable and PCI enabled.
8. Once backup BIOS is saved successfully, remove the floppy and reboot.
9. Go back to BIOS and re-enable on-board video, save BIOS settings and exit.
10. Turn the PC off and pull out your PCI card.
11. Put the PCI card into the PC with broken on-board VGA connector
12. Boot this PC with the flash utility disk containing backup you made on the previous PC which had a working on-board video
13. You will STILL not be able to see anything on the monitor and you will have to type DOS commands blindly.
14. Once the PC stops booting/reading the floppy you would normally see A:\ prompt on your screen, but you will not see that since your monitor is not connected to a working card.
15 Carefully type the commands to restore BIOS with all the spaces and switches. Once you have entered the command line and pressed ENTER to execute, go have a cigarette or something. Give it 5-10 minutes to be sure that you do not reboot before BIOS flashing is complete.
16. At this point you should have your BIOS configured with on-board video (which has a broken connector) disabled and PCI video enabled.
17. Boot into Windows, install drivers for the PCI card and voila: Problem solved.

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Also, you can ask DELL tech support to send you a copy of BIOS for your motherboard with on-board video disabled. This may allow the BIOS to autodetect / auto enable the PCI card once you plug it in. You will still have to work blind to install this BIOS as described above.

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I think I will just go to Newegg and buy another motherboard and install it.Shouldnt be any problems there should there?
 

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<font color=green>Your current problem explained:</font color=green>

Your problem, most likely, is that your on-board video (since it is enabled) conflicts with the PCI card and does not allow the system to properly detect it. This happens even before Windows starts. This happens at the BIOS level. Make no mistake, your on-board video card is most likely functional except that its VGA output is broken, so when you boot BIOS thinks everything is fine. This broken connector has the same effect as if you simply pulled the monitor cable out of a VGA connector. As far as the system is concerned there is no need to look for a different video card since it thinks that your default card (the on-board video) is fine and enabled.

Answering your question about the new motherboard, you are likely to have problems. Whether you do or not depends on what your DELL came with. Often times DELL chooses components that are integrated into their proprietary motherboards one way or the other. Normally, when you replace a brand-name motherboard you should use the same brand-name. But again, it depends on the DELL model. They are not all the same in this respect.

You should address these questions to DELL tech support. Make sure you include your TAG number, PC model and a COHERENT description of the problem (at this point you should be able to do this easily).

Good luck.
Over and out...

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Well Ive come to the conclusion that another motherboard is the answer I contacted DELL and the replacement motherboard for this system is $109.00 I will have to see if they want to stick that much into it or just start over and have me build em a good system using there memory and drives out of this one-----by the way for you people that read this post and are thinkg about buying one of the inexpensive modles from dell.....not saying anything bad about DELL systems I have one myself) but really check into it I opened this thing up and there is absolutly no room for expansion in the future on this thing......nowhere to put xtra drives .....no AGP slot...so if you want a computer that will pretty much stay the same get this one if you want one that can grow DONT GET THIS ONE!!!!!!
 

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Can I just say - Slava, that was a great workaround! Don't think I would ever have thought of that, nice one :D

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we are all now dummer having read this post, i award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

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He is a n00b. Come on. You were a n00b once...

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Why u being so hard thats what this site is for RIGHT to get help on things from those that have a little more knowledge than we do....... havent you EVER needed advice on something or did you start out knowing everything? ANd if thats the case what u doing in here the way I look at if you cant say something thats productive dont say anything......again thanks to all of you that helped me.
 

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psh noobs is for noob :D

beside EVERYONE knows DELL is the source of evil!!EVIL!!! EVILL!!!

its not our fault if innocent noobs gets DELLED!! blame it on the ads

everyone should custom nowadays anyways!!



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