Do you hate Apple?

  • Yes

    Votes: 212 57.9%
  • No

    Votes: 96 26.2%
  • I hate YOU.

    Votes: 58 15.8%

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celewign

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It's not because they don't make good machines, but because every single gadget/hardware site is whoring to them. Apple is notorious for using hardware that is no interest to TomsHardware people and now we see articles about Macbooks creeping in. I mean, lets do some math: Is the ratio of Apple publicity to General Electronic publicity the same as the ratio of "People Who Don't Own Apple Products" to "People That Do"? No, of course not. The only reason Apple is EVER going to go anywhere is because the media in general is so whored to them that everyone is going to think that everyone else owns Apple stuff and try to jump on the bandwagon.

And for the record, I left my Ipod at home when I went to school and my life has improved drastically as a result. <that was a joke, the rest wasn't>
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1Tanker

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It's not because they don't make good machines, but because every single gadget/hardware site is whoring to them. Apple is notorious for using hardware that is no interest to TomsHardware people and now we see articles about Macbooks creeping in. I mean, lets do some math: Is the ratio of Apple publicity to General Electronic publicity the same as the ratio of "People Who Don't Own Apple Products" to "People That Do"? No, of course not. The only reason Apple is EVER going to go anywhere is because the media in general is so whored to them that everyone is going to think that everyone else owns Apple stuff and try to jump on the bandwagon.

And for the record, I left my Ipod at home when I went to school and my life has improved drastically as a result. <that was a joke, the rest wasn't>
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I don't "hate" Apple, but there are things about them that i don't like. I like the freedom of getting my hands dirty...inside my PC....swapping hardware to get it configured to my liking. I loathe the MAC/PC ads, makes them look very arrogant. I also find many Apple owners are arrogant....i said many...not all. :) The price of MAC's is also a sore spot(to me). Gaming was out, on MAC's, but has improved. I will stick with my PC and either Windows or Linux(both actually).....thank-you very much! :wink:
 

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Ok, but I'm not really talking about Apple products here. I mean, if that's all that mattered, Apple would be everyone's favorite, because every Apple product does exactly what its meant to do, and does it very well.

I'm pissy about Apple because they are trumped up beyond all reason. With the exception of college students, the vast majority of people don't own or want Apple products, but from the television and internet, you'd think that they are on the brink of simultaniously supplanting Microsoft, Motorola, Linksys, and anything else that ever did anything ever. This bugs me, because it isn't true. THATs the beef with Apple.
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the cost of a mac is overstated at times. consider the macbook. load it up with all the hardware stuff and it comes around to 2 grand. look for another pc laptop with the same size and weight and u'll see that its pretty competitive. the only problem is the lack of choice in the programs they offer with os x compared to windows. and i also hate when mac users bash windows and say they can dual boot windows and mac os x but fail to realize that in the end they are still using windows. well thats my two pence on the subject.
 

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Ok, but I'm not really talking about Apple products here. I mean, if that's all that mattered, Apple would be everyone's favorite, because every Apple product does exactly what its meant to do, and does it very well.

I'm pissy about Apple because they are trumped up beyond all reason. With the exception of college students, the vast majority of people don't own or want Apple products, but from the television and internet, you'd think that they are on the brink of simultaniously supplanting Microsoft, Motorola, Linksys, and anything else that ever did anything ever. This bugs me, because it isn't true. THATs the beef with Apple.
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Silly me... The title reads..I HATE APPLE. :roll:
 

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a) Toms' isn't a PC-exclusive site, so quit complaining about them covering Apple news

b) With the new Intel hardware, Apple computers are much more accessible to PC users (with software like Parallels and Boot Camp)

c) Most of the recent attention has probably got something to do with the fact that 99% of Vista articles have been less than favourable, and OS X is, no matter what you might say, very much a viable alternative to most people - bear in mind that 'Dell Guy' just want's to watch DVDs, use the Internet and write on Word, which you can do easily on a Macintosh (and that's without mentioning the fact that 'Dell Guy' always seems to enjoy iLife apps too).

d) I have to take issue with this:

The only reason Apple is EVER going to go anywhere is because the media in general is so whored to them that everyone is going to think that everyone else owns Apple stuff and try to jump on the bandwagon.

Most of the media coverage has been for iPod, iPhone and Apple TV - and does it really upset you that people are interested in the MacBook? It's a sweet product, and more attractive to most people than the latest Penryn demos that's for sure.

Anyway, my point there is more that not everyone buys Apple because it's 'cool', although there are admittedly some people who do (and to be perfectly honest does that really bother you that much anyway) a great number of people buy them for professional reasons.



I have yet to see a convincing argument for why people 'hate Apple' - only a poorly-thought out rant at evangelical and 'bandwagon' users...although by doing this you're only being what you're commenting on - an evangelist computer user.
 

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It's not because they don't make good machines, but because every single gadget/hardware site is whoring to them. Apple is notorious for using hardware that is no interest to TomsHardware people and now we see articles about Macbooks creeping in. I mean, lets do some math: Is the ratio of Apple publicity to General Electronic publicity the same as the ratio of "People Who Don't Own Apple Products" to "People That Do"? No, of course not. The only reason Apple is EVER going to go anywhere is because the media in general is so whored to them that everyone is going to think that everyone else owns Apple stuff and try to jump on the bandwagon.

And for the record, I left my Ipod at home when I went to school and my life has improved drastically as a result. <that was a joke, the rest wasn't>
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I don't "hate" Apple, but there are things about them that i don't like. I like the freedom of getting my hands dirty...inside my PC....swapping hardware to get it configured to my liking. I loathe the MAC/PC ads, makes them look very arrogant. I also find many Apple owners are arrogant....i said many...not all. :) The price of MAC's is also a sore spot(to me). Gaming was out, on MAC's, but has improved. I will stick with my PC and either Windows or Linux(both actually).....thank-you very much! :wink:

I'm with you on that one, I'm keeping my PC. But one has to love the way Apple presents themselves. They're not up to any BS. They tell it how it is and deliver the goods. Unlike Microsoft. I have a Creative ZEN and love it because it will accept ANY file you give it, unlike Zune and Ipod. The Macbook pro's are something else. You can run Windows, Linux and Mac OS, and all at the same if you so desired, and all without bogging things down. Lets see a PC[desktop or laptop] running Windows do that right now... Anyway how can you hate a company that seems to be very effectively putting Microsoft where it belongs[off it's pedestal]? I don't own a single Apple product, but I love them for that reason alone... Microsoft NEEDS a good spanking. I'd love to see them go bankrupt... :lol: ;-)
 

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Ok, but I'm not really talking about Apple products here. I mean, if that's all that mattered, Apple would be everyone's favorite, because every Apple product does exactly what its meant to do, and does it very well.

I'm pissy about Apple because they are trumped up beyond all reason. With the exception of college students, the vast majority of people don't own or want Apple products, but from the television and internet, you'd think that they are on the brink of simultaniously supplanting Microsoft, Motorola, Linksys, and anything else that ever did anything ever. This bugs me, because it isn't true. THATs the beef with Apple.
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Silly me... The title reads..I HATE APPLE. :roll:

Also agree with the rolling of the eyes. I've found that people who start threads like this seem to be the most infantile windbags out there... But hey, what do I know...
 

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Microsoft NEEDS a good spanking. I'd love to see them go bankrupt... :lol: ;-)

I agree. But in order for that to even come close to happening someone will need to create a better OS. One that is as user friendsly if not more so then windows/vista. It also has to run all the same software with no problem and have less issuess while costing much less then windows/vista. Then deals can be made with the major PC makers like Dell and HP. Deels that would squeez microsoft out. Allowing for better PC at better price ranges to reach the average user. At the very least forceing MS to lower there prices.No kidding. Check this out...this is one of the cheapest e-tailers in Canada also(but CAD). :eek:

Highway Robbery

Almost half the price of an average-joe system. :x
 

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You have to admit, they do have nice monitors...but white? I eat and drink a lot of snacks, etc. at my comp. desk....i can imagine food stains on the monitor casing. :p I'm not a pig....really!!! but i like my black monitor. :wink:
 

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The title wasn't incorrect. He hates Apple, the company. Geeze. Lighten up.

As for the hardware, it's pricepoint is ok. They only use high quality components. And the software bundles they come with balance the scales.

I don't own one, and I probably never will. I like to tinker with my stuff too. But you should keep an open mind at least. Some users can barely operate a VCR, and they need these products.
 

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The title wasn't incorrect. He hates Apple, the company. Geeze. Lighten up.

As for the hardware, it's pricepoint is ok. They only use high quality components. And the software bundles they come with balance the scales.

I don't own one, and I probably never will. I like to tinker with my stuff too. But you should keep an open mind at least. Some users can barely operate a VCR, and they need these products.
One of the more expensive components in the systems, built by people in here, is the graphics card. Look at what you get in a $2500 MAC Pro... a 7300GT(an $80 card).It's a ripoff...1GB RAM, 250GB HD(8M cache...not 16). You're paying for the name. :x The last part you wrote is true.
 

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Apple arrogants also losses them sales, in the early 90's my father did a great deal of study to find out what was best, at the time Apples was miles ahead of IBM compatibles, (not as good as the Amiga was at the time) so after his study he went to the Apple dealer and said "I am buying in case whats the best you can do". They said they wouldn't deal so he went down the road to a PC shop, asked the same question and they gave him a good deal. End result. Our family always tried to buy the same so we could swap software and help each other out.

So through our family alone over the years that cost them close to a thousand sales. Were talking cousin, aunty's, uncles so on and so on and it's still costing them.
I also agree with 1Tanker, I,ve always built my own and am now teaching my kids to use them and build them.
Viva the PC :p :p :p :p
 

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Don't know about that, one of our PC rags in Aussie reviewed one of the first Intel base Mac's and also reviewed one PC laptop with the same spec (eg. Same chipset based motherboard, same ram, video card, same spec screen.) basically the closest they could get, Guess what? In Aussie dollars just short of a thousand dollar more the MAC was.
They put the difference down to brand name. 8O 8O
Thats a lot of money to pay for a pretty Apple. :(
 

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Don't know about that, one of our PC rags in Aussie reviewed one of the first Intel base Mac's and also reviewed one PC laptop with the same spec (eg. Same chipset based motherboard, same ram, video card, same spec screen.) basically the closest they could get, Guess what? In Aussie dollars just short of a thousand dollar more the MAC was.
They put the difference down to brand name. 8O 8O
Thats a lot of money to pay for a pretty Apple. :(

Think i have that copy, was it an APC or a Atomic?

@1tanker: you think 500 is bad..... look at This.

That is arround the cost for everywhere here. although we can get the oem versions at an average price......see....
 

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Look at what you get in a $2500 MAC Pro... a 7300GT(an $80 card).It's a ripoff...1GB RAM, 250GB HD(8M cache...not 16). You're paying for the name. :x The last part you wrote is true.

Get me a Dell workstation with the same configuration and the same kind of material quality. Fanless heatsinks, same build quality with thick aluminium etc. Where are they? Yes, in the $3K department....
 

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Macs are fine. Most Mac users are not ( as has previously been pointed out).
They are a necessary evil for a couple of reasons.
1) They rock on graphics- The odd blemishes on Sports Illustrated swimsuit models were probably digitally removed on a Mac.

2) M$ needs somebody to steal good ideas from and make them mainstream.

3) Apple needs products to offset the the success of the Ipod and Itunes, you know, for tax purposes.
 

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It's through this advertising buildup that apple is hoping to gain new customers and better market share. You don't go out and advertise your actuall market position in hopes of winning new customers. You go out there and trump yourself up as the biggest thing since the iterduction of the mouse. You want to convince people they can't do without your product. Apple has been very secseful with this aproche. That is why the ipod is the number one music player. Even though there are better otptions, IMO, with better prices that don't limit you the way itunes does. With the right advertising campain even the worste produces can become top sellers. Not to say that Apple products are porr quality. They are top quality products but i don't see the point in spending almost twise as much on an apple product when i can get a similar or better one for less from somwhere else.

Very lucid. Thanks for adding maturity and economic cognition to the discussion. I would add a possible couter to your last comment that may napalm the discussion especially since I think it goes directly to the point of computability moving forward. Hardware driven public trials drives more divergent logic gate standards and steeply invested vectors struggling for survival will pull Open Standards and Corporate commercial software into to more divergent paths further couding the complexity to beyond the standard enthusist capability to fathom. 2 things strike me as possible remedies now that mores law is going to parallel tasking and multicores to increase switches per buck, 1) Honest straight forward pricing to solution=Apple, hopefully with Jobs back, will refrain from the investor's influence to add "something else you gotta buy". Plus they seemed to have survived limiting the number of "inside" partners and shared source VARs that seemed to consistantly blur moral computing lines. At least I see Apple in a better position to "dump" in this area. 2) With super-positioned, entagled particules providing real-time across infinite distances communication is "simular" enough? Some of the wranglings in public trading today make the new dvd release "Deceased" look like a basic guide to "fair" trade practice. This does not seem to affect gamming as much but how manyAmericans can continue to afford the costs both direct and indirect. What I am hearing is the low end users talking about Linux for business and gamming consoles for games. Linux and open source divde by zero and conquer will have it's falling out as well. Einstein's quote about something for free... sorry for the failing memory perhaps I should up my cafine voltage. :idea:
 

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Anyway, my point there is more that not everyone buys Apple because it's 'cool', although there are admittedly some people who do (and to be perfectly honest does that really bother you that much anyway) a great number of people buy them for professional reasons.

If my memory survs OSX is FreeBSD with protected memory meaning to me anyway that some reloc hacker won't have such an easy time of it. To point-out that most public companies want "open" computing is a valid concern since the dawn of the internet saw numerous website blackmails propagated through IRC botnets.(ex FireClan) Some still in effect today. But how reasonable should I be when the division between rich and poor in a world ecomony of vote with bucks has seen more and more disparity in economic equality. How can any European, American, or any other democraticly core institution survive when "bucks" are measured in prime interests and not human dignity? Don't get me wrong I beleive in costs for mistakes but those measurements are biased and ambiguitis at best and usualy serve someones profit margin. I seriously do not mean this as derrogratory by any means but it seems most of the hardware geeks are a bit autistic if not unrealistic.


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I have yet to see a convincing argument for why people 'hate Apple' - only a poorly-thought out rant at evangelical and 'bandwagon' users...although by doing this you're only being what you're commenting on - an evangelist computer user.


Some of it is what I call cheerleaders, some has the faint echo of the cobalt programmers I have seen go by the wayside. What is probably missed since I have a charactor flaw that does not allow me to see anyone as "waking up in the morning challenging the world to provoke their evil", is the fear of yet another betrayal. Educated because I saw it's evolution was the marketing ploy called dumping. This was originally introduced by the Japanese in the early seventies in the form of price dumping. For the hardware autistics, convincing the investor that selling an item for 1/3rd the cost to manufacture will effectively eliminate the competition in 3 years then you can name your price and "persuade" suppliers thus reaping in a grand control point in economics. This does not have to be a monitary model. In fact, seen it done nine ways to Sunday. So to stay on course with the discussion, will Apple try for a command point then sell out it's users?? The persuation not to is very dim... Hate them? No. Maybe I'll get dancing and dinning before I get... :twisted:

...and you may have thought before this post that digital environments were the only environment that rewarded insanity.
 

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But true. I'm own a PC and Mac products (I know, PC isn't a manufacturer, but you know what I mean) and I honestly don't think that I am biased. He is.
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I share a few of his same ideas and I'm not biased.
I can accept that a few guys are disappointed with some apple products (they are not flawless as every mac user states) and might bash apple to the bones, but they were just unlucky.
We just have to think this way:

Buy Mac- to use some important software made only for mac (ex: final cut) or super optimized for it (ex:quicktime which kill and destroys any pc)

Buy PC - Choose parts ($), choose the looks, more programs, gaming, and upgrading.
One thing we have to admit is the new mac pro kills any pre-built workstation in performance and price (if you don´t want to game, but they weren't built for that also)

And the thing I don´t admit, are opinions from guys who don't own both (or guys who just use a computer for gaming and surf the web).
 
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