I have some questions about water cooling

I am looking into water cooling and have a few questions ( in particular, I am looking at the cooler master ml240l rgb).
Will it fit in an nzxt s340 elite (I mean the pump in particular) and if not, what would work to cool the i7 8700k that would fit
 
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In a case with decent or better airflow, nope, not really. It's all relative to whatever strengths and weaknesses are to any particular layout and design. There's a difference even with case temps when using an area or downdraft aircooler vs a tower. The tower puts all its exhaust right at the rear exhaust fan, so has lower case temps than a downdraft style aircooler which broadcasts its exhaust everywhere. However the voltage regulatory circuitry around the socket is a few ° cooler on the downdraft as its getting a very good, strong breeze across the heatsinks whereas an AIO has no air across. Some view budget as an aircoolers strength, $ for $ they are generally far better value as they cost much less for the same ability. A heatsink...
I have no reason to think that mounting the pump would be a problem.
The radiator, on the other hand will need to be mounted in front as intake.
The hot radiator air will then heat up your motherboard and graphics card.
Not a great idea when there is a cheaper/better solution.
You can use a big tower type air cooler like the Noctua NH-D15s
It will cost less, be quieter, cool just as well and will not leak.
 

Yeah, I was just looking into it. If water cooling doesn't work, then i'll get the scythe fuma rev b (because the nh-d15 is ugly and more expensive)
 
I do not know of any cases designed to mount a 240mm liquid radiator in the rear.

Your case has 161mm available for a cooler.
The NH-D15 would not fit, but the NH-D15s would. At $80, it is as good as it gets.
But, looks count so here is a review of some better tower type coolers that will fit(except the noctua NH-U14s)
They sport better 135/140mm fans which are a better match for a 8700K
You might be interested in the Phanteks tc14s which is attractive and reasonably priced.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11407/140-mm-slim-tower-cpu-cooler-roundup
 

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The one thing AIO's are known for is lack of any kind of restriction when it comes to the pump. It's a rather small hockey Puck sized thing (mostly) than mounts on top of the cpu. It's generally smaller than most stock coolers. So that's really not a concern.

Radiator in front. There's more than a few cases where the only place to mount a 240/280mm radiator is in front. There's several ways this can be done. My current pc has been changed, it used to have the rad on top, fans in push, then swapped for pull, now it's front mounted with fans in pull.

Top-push: most common, especially with RGB/led fans, acts as a top mount exhaust for case heat. Does best with fans @1500 rpm or higher.
Top-pull: easier to clean, doesn't really require disassembly, harder to mount originally. Does better with fan speeds under @1200rpm.
Front-push: most common, especially with rgb/led fans, hard mount to inside the case, fans mount from outside. Easy to partially disassemble for cleaning behind the fan. Fan speeds same as top mount.
Front-pull: hardest to configure due to hdd cages. Easiest to clean, rad is directly behind the dust filter, requires no disassembly. Fan speeds same as top pull.

Both front mounts act as intakes, both top mount act as exhausts. For some, this can be a bone of contention, suggestions of lowered airflow, high gpu temps, overheated cases etc. Poppycock.

Case temps on top mount are generally @2°C cooler than with a large air tower, bleed air from the sides of the towers and a giant heatsink supplying most of that 2°C difference. Gpu temps are @2°C cooler as airflow is not impeded by an aircoolers turbulence in the flow of heat from below. Motherboard temps are slightly higher than with an aircooler, the pump lacks bleed air potential, so the voltage regulatory circuitry around the socket doesn't get the same amount of air across its heatsinking.

Case temps on front mount rads are @2°C higher than aircoolers which the vast majority of heat exhaust is aimed directly at the rear exhaust fan. The radiator doesn't have that option. With decent airflow in the case, the rad exhaust doesn't stay long enough to really do much to heat up a case volume. Gpu is iffy. My gpu actually shows lower temps, the fans in pull are closest to the gpu, and have totally unrestricted exhaust directly at it. Push mount fans will show higher temps, simply due to the radiators airflow restrictiveness. The air will go in, just has a harder time reaching the back of the case. Cpu has the lowest temps of any cooler, the cooling elements having direct outside air contact, not inside case air as with top mount or aircoolers.

Overall, the temp differences are pretty negligible. Even a 5°C difference is honestly chump change when dealing with temps @20°C over case ambient for cpu/gpu, or @30-35°C Delta over outside ambient temps.

Each design, be it air or liquid has its own strengths and weaknesses. Both are equitable in performance, according to their respective brackets. The only real advantage AIO's have over air cooling is capacity, and thats only found when comparing the largest air coolers to the big AIO's. But since most p do not push 300w+ OC, even that advantage is negligible, anything under @250w is all the same.

Honestly, it's a personal preference thing, performance is equitable. The only ppl who get any benefit are benchmark chasers who will use a consistent load. Gaming loads vary so much, so fast that 10°C changes second to second are not uncommon, which makes anything inside that bracket pretty much identical.

Choose whichever way you want, neither style has any clear advantage. Aircoolers are generally cheaper, if budget is an issue, I personally do not like the huge heatsink a few mm away from my window with the big aircoolers, much prefer the aesthetics of the AIO's.

And don't bother listening to the noise critics. The only part of either design that makes any real amount of noise is the fans. AIO's make no more noise than a aircooler. But, the difference is entirely in the fans, a Noctua is extremely quiet, the old corsair h100+ series fans were absolutely miserable, spinning at 2400+ rpm. If Noctua put its fans on an AIO, the whole noise argument would go out the window.

 


So basically you're saying it would have little to no effect to place it in the front? ( I mean temperature of the rest of the parts )
 

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In a case with decent or better airflow, nope, not really. It's all relative to whatever strengths and weaknesses are to any particular layout and design. There's a difference even with case temps when using an area or downdraft aircooler vs a tower. The tower puts all its exhaust right at the rear exhaust fan, so has lower case temps than a downdraft style aircooler which broadcasts its exhaust everywhere. However the voltage regulatory circuitry around the socket is a few ° cooler on the downdraft as its getting a very good, strong breeze across the heatsinks whereas an AIO has no air across. Some view budget as an aircoolers strength, $ for $ they are generally far better value as they cost much less for the same ability. A heatsink will last forever, replace the fan every few years, kinda cheap overall. AIO's are generally good only for @5 years, then the fluid evaporation gets to far, and there's not enough coolant for the pump to work effectively, unless you get a refillable version. A heatsink also has no pump to fail.

So one style is better than another, but only in specifics, but if the capacity is sufficient for the needs, temps are not really an issue as performance and ability are roughly the same.
 
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My setup is a 280mm rad, that's 2x 140mm fans as intake, and the 2x stock 140mm case fans as top exhaust. Prior, I had the 2x 140mm case fans as intake and the rad + fans up top. No rear exhaust, it's not really needed with good top exhaust on an aio.

Experiment. I run my fans in silent mode, during heavy gaming they might get to 600rpm, anything below @900rpm on a decent fan is basically dead quiet to silent. At 600rpm they work more effectively in pull. I could raise the rpm, performance mode, but the 2-3°C savings isn't honestly worth the extra noise.

So see what you prefer, mix and match, play with temps and fan curves. There's no best way as such, it's pretty much dependent on you. Some ppl prefer intake/pull, it's real easy to vac off the dust from the rad front, some prefer intake/push because they want to see their RGB. Same with exhaust. Totally customizable to your tastes and wants/needs.
 
As already mentioned, the only advantage AiO might have is the "convenience of mounting" on the MB.
It's not really important if the radiator is mounted in front of the case as intake as the affect on other components temperature is minimal. Putting the AiO rad as exhaust negatively impacts CPU temperature much more than other components in the intake case.

Any decent air cooler will do same or better job at cooling while keeping things much quieter and infinitely more reliable. Not to mention the cost.
If you don't like the "basic" noctua, look at their Chroma line, or things like Be Quiet!.

BTW, if you intend to overclock, you'll probably have to delid the 8700K to get sane temps. No cooler whatsoever will help without deliding.

And I'll not even get into discussion about the particular choice of the wannabe liquid cooler.
 

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