I have tinnitus but I have good hearing???

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:01:53 +0100, Joakim Wendel
<oviktig@bostreammail.net> wrote:

>If i work in the orchestra during the day and sit going through takes in
>the evening my ears take it bad. <snip>

Intresting aside to that....

You'd think brass players would be notoriously deaf. Not so! They're
protected, firing off that riot of harmonics forward in front of them
at a very high Q. It's the poor first violins BENEATH them that go
deaf from having the trumpets blow their brains out when the conductor
demands a fortissimo! I was watching the San Diego Symphony rehearse
one time years ago during "Le sacre du printemps." I swear I could
see the violins and violas cross their eyes during every BLAT from the
brass!

Orchestral trivia: Do you know the actual lyrics (yes, they do
exist!) to the opening few bars of that work?

It's sung, of course, by the bassoon, who sings:

"IIIIIIIIII wish I was an English horrrrrrrrn...this part is written
way too high for meeeeeeeeeeee...."

dB

 

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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:08:21 -0500, Sam wrote
(in article <pcvKd.9822$Yg6.1561991@news20.bellglobal.com>):

> I have tinnitus, I don't notice it unless its very quiet, like I'm lying in
> bed,
> you know the sound you get when you turn on a tv while the screen is warming
> up,
> that high pitched kind of hum, thats what i hear. It doesn't bother me but I
> don't
> like noticing it. I went to get custom molds done for earplugs and I -really-

> heard
> it when my ears were all blocked up. I went to an audiologist to get my
> hearing
> checked..

Stay away from caffeine, aspirin, acteamenophen and about 100 other otc drugs
and your tinnitus will fade. Taking Ginkyo Biloba (sp?) also helps

Regards,

Ty Ford



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An "Audiologist, MD" is a very rare bird. An Audiologist
has at least a Master's and is certified by ASHA to test and
diagnosis hearing. An Oto-Laryngologist is a MD that
specializes in hearing and speech disorders. They work as a
team. The MD to check for disease and the Audiologist to
check for hearing performance.

Note: Some hearing aid dealers are certified Audiologists,
but not most.
--
Chip Wood

"james of tucson" <fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com>
wrote in message

> I'm sure if someone does, they have "Audiologist, MD"
after their name
> on their office door, and you should ask them.

 

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On 2005-01-29, DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote:

> ...as well as the usual studio candy these days...cocaine, OxyContin,

Say what you want to about Oxycontin, but I've been taking it for a
thoracic strain, and I must say, it's good stuff. It's weird, becauase
you still "feel" the pain, but it doesn't register as "hurts". That's
important because it stops you from doing things that might exacerbate
the injury, since you still feel it, as opposed to just numbing it,
which could lead to overconfidence and re-injury. I never knew it
worked that way until I started taking it. Now, I don't know why
someone would take this stuff recreationally, definitely not my cup of
tea. But my pain was in the 7.5-8 range on a logarithmic 0-10 scale,
where a 9 would be a 3rd degree burn and a 10 would hopefully have me
unconscious. I could maybe sleep if I remained motionless and had a
blue ice block on my shoulder.

This is not a good injury for a piano player to get. Oxycontin has
saved my life.

 

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On 2005-01-30, Chip Wood <chip.wood@motorola.com> wrote:

> An "Audiologist, MD" is a very rare bird.

I didn't realize that, but my point was, this is not the sort
of question you should pose to anonymous dillettantes on USENET,
but to a licensed professional...

 

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>I have no ability to force a yawn..

Hmmm..I can pretty much yawn at will...how about anyone else?


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

 

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In article <41faf8e2@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
wrote:

> When we're on the subject...
> My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
> Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type of
> tinnitus?
>
>
>

You're hearing jaw muscles contract.

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"Blind Joni" <blindjoni@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >I have no ability to force a yawn..
>
> Hmmm..I can pretty much yawn at will...how about anyone else?
>
>
> John A. Chiara
> SOS Recording Studio
> Live Sound Inc.
> Albany, NY
> www.sosrecording.net
> 518-449-1637

I can urinate at will but that's about it...

 

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"Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <41faf8e2@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ"
<nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When we're on the subject...
> > My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
> > Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type of
> > tinnitus?
> >
> >
> >
>
> You're hearing jaw muscles contract.

I didn't know that sounded like tinnitus tripling in amplitude.

 

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In article <41fe9221@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
wrote:

> "Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> news:jay-30CC13.08422131012005@news.stanford.edu...
> > In article <41faf8e2@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ"
> <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > When we're on the subject...
> > > My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
> > > Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type of
> > > tinnitus?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You're hearing jaw muscles contract.
>
> I didn't know that sounded like tinnitus tripling in amplitude.
>
>

Try it.

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:09:11 -0800, Jay Kadis <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu>
wrote:

>In article <41fe9221@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
>wrote:
>
>> "Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
>> news:jay-30CC13.08422131012005@news.stanford.edu...
>> > In article <41faf8e2@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ"
>> <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > When we're on the subject...
>> > > My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
>> > > Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type of
>> > > tinnitus?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > You're hearing jaw muscles contract.
>>
>> I didn't know that sounded like tinnitus tripling in amplitude.
>>
>>
>
>Try it.

Doesn't work for me...

Al

 

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In article <d3ktv0dbvirgh4f2l4o8rd9su663pej5te@4ax.com>,
play_on <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:09:11 -0800, Jay Kadis <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <41fe9221@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> "Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:jay-30CC13.08422131012005@news.stanford.edu...
> >> > In article <41faf8e2@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ"
> >> <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > When we're on the subject...
> >> > > My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
> >> > > Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type of
> >> > > tinnitus?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > You're hearing jaw muscles contract.
> >>
> >> I didn't know that sounded like tinnitus tripling in amplitude.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Try it.
>
> Doesn't work for me...
>
> Al

You can't hear a sound if you tightly contracting your neck/jaw muscles? I
definitely get a high-frequency sound, something 6-10 kHz I'd say.

-Jay
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In article <jay-FF89E2.08280101022005@news.stanford.edu>,
Jay Kadis <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:

> In article <d3ktv0dbvirgh4f2l4o8rd9su663pej5te@4ax.com>,
> play_on <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:09:11 -0800, Jay Kadis <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article <41fe9221@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ"
> > ><nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> > >> news:jay-30CC13.08422131012005@news.stanford.edu...
> > >> > In article <41faf8e2@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ"
> > >> <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > When we're on the subject...
> > >> > > My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
> > >> > > Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type
> > >> > > of
> > >> > > tinnitus?
> > >> > You're hearing jaw muscles contract.
> > >> I didn't know that sounded like tinnitus tripling in amplitude.
> > >>
> > >Try it.
> >
> > Doesn't work for me...
> >
> > Al
>
> You can't hear a sound if you tightly contracting your neck/jaw muscles? I
> definitely get a high-frequency sound, something 6-10 kHz I'd say.
>
> -Jay

I get this noise too if i do the forward jaw push (pretty extreme)
however how tinnitus sounds is very personal ... So you can't state it
sounds like tinnitus, it's just a (in my ears) noise with no low freq.
Useless exersice?

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"Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:jay-77801C.13091131012005@news.stanford.edu...
> In article <41fe9221@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ"
<nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> > news:jay-30CC13.08422131012005@news.stanford.edu...
> > > In article <41faf8e2@news.broadpark.no>, "BJ"
> > <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > When we're on the subject...
> > > > My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
> > > > Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type
of
> > > > tinnitus?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > You're hearing jaw muscles contract.
> >
> > I didn't know that sounded like tinnitus tripling in amplitude.
> >
> >
>
> Try it.

Well, the sound doesn't change. What's there only becomes louder. I can only
hope I have TMJ tinnitus, which seems to be one of few types of tinnitus
that can be treated. I'll have to see a specialist obviously.

 

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:44:02 +0100, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
wrote:

>When we're on the subject...
>My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
>Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type of
>tinnitus?

We all hear a little body noise if we listen hard in quiet
surroundings. And we can all induce that "rushing" sound in the ears
by tensing the face in a certain way. Are you sure you're chasing a
real problem?

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"Laurence Payne"
> And we can all induce that "rushing" sound in the ears
> by tensing the face in a certain way.

A condition commonly known as *Gas*.

Nathan

 

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"Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:44:02 +0100, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> wrote:
>
> >When we're on the subject...
> >My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
> >Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type of
> >tinnitus?
>
> We all hear a little body noise if we listen hard in quiet
> surroundings. And we can all induce that "rushing" sound in the ears
> by tensing the face in a certain way. Are you sure you're chasing a
> real problem?

I've had tinnitus for about 6 years now. That's very real. It got worse a
couple of months ago. Much worse. I just happened to notice that it becomes
a helluva lot louder when I press my jaw forward. Hard.

Modulation of tinnitus by voluntary jaw movements.

Pinchoff RJ, Burkard RF, Salvi RJ, Coad ML, Lockwood AH.

Cornell University College of Human Ecology, New York, USA.

OBJECTIVE: The authors describe symptoms and population characteristics in
patients with tinnitus who report the ability to control the loudness of
their tinnitus by performing voluntary movements. DESIGN: The authors used a
questionnaire. SETTING: The study was conducted at a tertiary care center.
PATIENTS: Respondents have the self-reported ability to control the loudness
of their tinnitus by performing voluntary movements. RESULTS: The authors
describe symptoms and population characteristics in 93 patients with
tinnitus (83% men, 17% women) who report the ability to control the loudness
of their tinnitus by performing voluntary movements: 85% of these report jaw
movements and 9% report eye movements affect their tinnitus. In the
jaw-movement group, tinnitus loudness increased in 90%. Jaw movement
affected the pitch in 51% with an increase in pitch reported by 90%. Other
maneuvers, such as pressure applied to the head, affected tinnitus in many
subjects. Tinnitus had a major impact on the lives of the authors'
respondents: 27% registered mild to moderate depression and 8% moderate to
severe depression as shown by the Beck Depression Inventory. CONCLUSIONS:
The ability to modulate tinnitus by performing voluntary somatosensory or
motor acts is likely the result of plastic changes in the brains of these
patients with the development of aberrant connections between the auditory
and sensory-motor systems. The strong predominance of men in the sample
suggests the presence of a gender-specific factor that mediates these
changes.

 

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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:43:26 +0100, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
wrote:

>
>"Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:via101d5mna40pgu211npc5j9026c7vsdg@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:44:02 +0100, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >When we're on the subject...
>> >My tinnitus gets a LOT louder when I push my jaw forward.
>> >Anybody know why this happens, or if this indicates a special type of
>> >tinnitus?
>>
>> We all hear a little body noise if we listen hard in quiet
>> surroundings. And we can all induce that "rushing" sound in the ears
>> by tensing the face in a certain way. Are you sure you're chasing a
>> real problem?
>
>I've had tinnitus for about 6 years now. That's very real. It got worse a
>couple of months ago. Much worse. I just happened to notice that it becomes
>a helluva lot louder when I press my jaw forward. Hard.
>
>Modulation of tinnitus by voluntary jaw movements.
>
>Pinchoff RJ, Burkard RF, Salvi RJ, Coad ML, Lockwood AH.
>
>Cornell University College of Human Ecology, New York, USA.
>
>OBJECTIVE: The authors describe symptoms and population characteristics in
>patients with tinnitus who report the ability to control the loudness of
>their tinnitus by performing voluntary movements. DESIGN: The authors used a
>questionnaire. SETTING: The study was conducted at a tertiary care center.
>PATIENTS: Respondents have the self-reported ability to control the loudness
>of their tinnitus by performing voluntary movements. RESULTS: The authors
>describe symptoms and population characteristics in 93 patients with
>tinnitus (83% men, 17% women) who report the ability to control the loudness
>of their tinnitus by performing voluntary movements: 85% of these report jaw
>movements and 9% report eye movements affect their tinnitus. In the
>jaw-movement group, tinnitus loudness increased in 90%. Jaw movement
>affected the pitch in 51% with an increase in pitch reported by 90%. Other
>maneuvers, such as pressure applied to the head, affected tinnitus in many
>subjects. Tinnitus had a major impact on the lives of the authors'
>respondents: 27% registered mild to moderate depression and 8% moderate to
>severe depression as shown by the Beck Depression Inventory. CONCLUSIONS:
>The ability to modulate tinnitus by performing voluntary somatosensory or
>motor acts is likely the result of plastic changes in the brains of these
>patients with the development of aberrant connections between the auditory
>and sensory-motor systems. The strong predominance of men in the sample
>suggests the presence of a gender-specific factor that mediates these
>changes.

If your TMJ movement and alignment have a large effect on the
tinnitus, you might try working with a practitioner of the Alexander
technique (http://ergonomics.org/articles/atoverview/)
or the Feldenkrais method: http://www.feldenkrais.com/ I did some
intensive Feldenkrais training about ten years ago and my tinnitus
stopped. Lately I haven't been keeping up with that work, I've
returned to playing live gigs more often, and the ringing is back.

http://ergonomics.org/articles/atoverview/

Al

 

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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:43:26 +0100, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
wrote:

>> We all hear a little body noise if we listen hard in quiet
>> surroundings. And we can all induce that "rushing" sound in the ears
>> by tensing the face in a certain way. Are you sure you're chasing a
>> real problem?
>
>I've had tinnitus for about 6 years now. That's very real. It got worse a
>couple of months ago. Much worse. I just happened to notice that it becomes
>a helluva lot louder when I press my jaw forward. Hard.


OK. But all Sam reports is:

"I have tinnitus, I don't notice it unless its very quiet, like I'm
lying in bed,...."


We ALL have that much tinnitus.

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Laurence Payne wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:43:26 +0100, "BJ" <nospam@thankyouverymuch.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> We all hear a little body noise if we listen hard in quiet
>>> surroundings. And we can all induce that "rushing" sound in the
>>> ears by tensing the face in a certain way. Are you sure you're
>>> chasing a real problem?
>>
>> I've had tinnitus for about 6 years now. That's very real. It got
>> worse a couple of months ago. Much worse. I just happened to notice
>> that it becomes a helluva lot louder when I press my jaw forward.
>> Hard.
>
>
> OK. But all Sam reports is:
>
> "I have tinnitus, I don't notice it unless its very quiet, like I'm
> lying in bed,...."
>
>
> We ALL have that much tinnitus.

I remember going caving as a kid, and marveling at the SILENCE when one got
far enough back to cut off all environmental sounds.

Alas, after shooting a cheap pistol while in grade school, I've never
experienced that degree of silence again.

<sigh>

jak

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On 31 Jan 2005 05:40:29 GMT, blindjoni@aol.com (Blind Joni) wrote:

>>I have no ability to force a yawn..
>
>Hmmm..I can pretty mvch yawn at will...how abovt anyone else? <snip>

Well, Bvshie's "state of the vnion" address forced a yawn from
me...several, actvally.

dB

 

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On Svn, 06 Feb 2005 09:31:15 -0800, DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 31 Jan 2005 05:40:29 GMT, blindjoni@aol.com (Blind Joni) wrote:
>
>>>I have no ability to force a yawn..
>>
>>Hmmm..I can pretty mvch yawn at will...how abovt anyone else? <snip>
>
>Well, Bvshie's "state of the vnion" address forced a yawn from
>me...several, actvally.

Yov're lvcky, they vsvally jvst raise my blood pressvre.

Al