I need help with GPU and CPU low usage in Afterburner

[caponi14]

I need help people.

My system contains the following:

i7 6700k Overclocked to 4,6 ghz
Corsair H80i Closed loop Water cooler
MSI Gtx 1080 ti Gaming x GPU
32 GB DDR4 Ram 3200mhz
2x Samsung Evo 850 SSD 500 GB
Seagate Firecuda 2TB SSHD
Asus Z170 Pro Gaming Motherboard
Corsair CX750M PSU
Playing on 1920x1080 144hz

I searched around the other threads and i can't seem to find JUST what i need answered.
So when i game, this system is ofcourse pretty sick, but it COULD be sicker, IF the USAGE on both CPU and GPU were higher.
It's only in battlefield 1 that the usage is high on both the CPU and GPU, with 99-100% usage on GPU, and 80-90% usage on CPU (i use msi afterburner to check) I get anywhere from 144-160 FPS with a resolution scale set ingame to 130%. I get 70-80 when turning it all the way to max 200% resolution scale. It's only in this game it seems to use my systems specs properly.....
When i play most other games:

1. Heroes of newerth= 25-30% GPU usage, 20-30% CPU usage, 90-125 FPS
2. Squad = 60-70% GPU usage, 60-80% CPU usage, 100-150 FPS
3. Rising storm 2: Vietnam = 50-60% GPU usage, 60-70% CPU usage. 90-130 FPS

I need to get an explanation for this, because i think there is something i might be missing. One would think that the hardware could get me atleast 144 FPS, since i play on that fairly low resolution but with 144 hz. I tried to go to control panel in Nvidia and set the power management to " High performance" instead of "Adaptive performance", but this dident help i think.

What is the cause for this?
Poor optimization?
Bottleneck?
What is it?

 

[Carnaxus]

That does sound like a bottleneck issue, but I don't see anywhere for there to be one. Other than that, the only thing I can think of is indeed BF1's somewhat lack of optimization due to still being a new game.

 

[caponi14]

That does sound like a bottleneck issue, but I don't see anywhere for there to be one. Other than that, the only thing I can think of is indeed BF1's somewhat lack of optimization due to still being a new game.

No don't you mean it the other way around? That Battlefield 1 if very optimized?

 

[Carnaxus]

It's still a new release, it's bound to have issues until they figure everything out. It's more optimized now than it was during the beta, but it's nowhere near fully optimized yet.

 

[caponi14]

It's still a new release, it's bound to have issues until they figure everything out. It's more optimized now than it was during the beta, but it's nowhere near fully optimized yet.

Yeah i know it can be better, but my main issue is the other games. Why do they have low usage, when the PC can clearly do the 144 FPS minimum in all the games?

 

[Carnaxus]

That's why I said it's most likely a bottleneck issue. I was just mentioning that BF1 isn't fully optimized yet and so may wind up running slightly worse than other games even if nothing else is wrong.

 

[caponi14]

That's why I said it's most likely a bottleneck issue. I was just mentioning that BF1 isn't fully optimized yet and so may wind up running slightly worse than other games even if nothing else is wrong.

I don't really see what part of this build being the bottleneck 🙁 Maybe the PSU, but still...

 

[Carnaxus]

Now that I think about it, are the other games running at 144 FPS? If so, all that means is that they don't need the full power of your system. That's not exactly an issue.

PCPartPicker can't find any issues or incompatibilities with your build.

 

[caponi14]

Now that I think about it, are the other games running at 144 FPS? If so, all that means is that they don't need the full power of your system. That's not exactly an issue.

PCPartPicker can't find any issues or incompatibilities with your build.

I have the H80i V2 cooler. I wrote what fps ranges i get when i listed the games. not all of them reaches 144 FPS, and thats what annoys me, cause it seems that my system can clearly take it?

 

[Dragos Manea]

Achieving 144 fps in some games may require overclock, some games uses just 2-4 cores of the cpu and thats why you see 25-50% cpu usage and only 30% gpu usage, some cores are pushed to maxmim while others are idle. How i said some games require low number of cores but very fast so to achieve 144+fps your only option is to overclock your cpu to 4.7-5 ghz. One game that is huge on cpu usage is far cry, all of them, i get on them with ym rysen around 70 fps in far cry 4 with 2 gtx 1080 sli with cpu usage of 40% and gpu usage of 2 x 30%

 

[caponi14]

Achieving 144 fps in some games may require overclock, some games uses just 2-4 cores of the cpu and thats why you see 25-50% cpu usage and only 30% gpu usage, some cores are pushed to maxmim while others are idle. How i said some games require low number of cores but very fast so to achieve 144+fps your only option is to overclock your cpu to 4.7-5 ghz. One game that is huge on cpu usage is far cry, all of them, i get on them with ym rysen around 70 fps in far cry 4 with 2 gtx 1080 sli with cpu usage of 40% and gpu usage of 2 x 30%

Thank you for the long and thoughtful answer Dragos! It made sense, in some way. But i still don't get why it's working like this?
Why have they not made it so that you can utilize full GPU and full CPU in a single application?
Also my CPU is overclocked to 4,6 ghz, so would you suggest i push it to 4,7 - 5 ghz? And how hot may it get when i game?

 

[Dragos Manea]

About temperature depends on voltage, you really need a powerfull AIO cooler for this like corsair h115i or kraken x61/x62. You are asking why, because it is much easier for developers to code something that uses 1 or 2 cores but how the games are evolving they will have no alternative but to make a more parallel coded game because we reached IPC (single core performance) limit. Thast why VULKAN and DX12 appeared to help developers use the CPU more efficient.

 

[caponi14]

About temperature depends on voltage, you really need a powerfull AIO cooler for this like corsair h115i or kraken x61/x62. You are asking why, because it is much easier for developers to code something that uses 1 or 2 cores but how the games are evolving they will have no alternative but to make a more parallel coded game because we reached IPC (single core performance) limit. Thast why VULKAN and DX12 appeared to help developers use the CPU more efficient.

I have the H80i V2 water cooler, aint that enough you think? When i play i reach temps of about 90-95 degress celsius MAX, not all the time.
But AMD is still alot ahead when it comes to DX12 performance right? Can intel make a comeback with software, or is it a whole new line of processors thats needed in order to make the comeback?

 

[Dragos Manea]

AMD is not ahead of intel in DX 12, intel dominated the market in the last few years and all developers optimized the games for Intel so it will take a while for my Ryzen to get optimal performance in games but as a workstation (which this build is intended) is a monster for a fraction of the intel price.
Well Intel doesnt need to to do anything, it has processors with 6 cores/12 threads, 8 cores/16 threads or 10 cores/20 threads which are more then capable of running anything but they are very expensive.
95 degrees for the cpu with h80 in gaming is too much, something is wrong. Did you follow the install isntructions? Did plug the fan into the pump and the pump into the cpu header? did you made cpu fan speed from bios to 100%? What does corsair link says for pump speed, fan speed? Also tighten up the screws really well, dont worry you wont brak the processor, they are made to stop when the presure is optimal.

EDIT: You asked if it is enought, well only you can asnwer to that, make tests and be sure the cpu stays under 80 degress.

 

[caponi14]

AMD is not ahead of intel in DX 12, intel dominated the market in the last few years and all developers optimized the games for Intel so it will take a while for my Ryzen to get optimal performance in games but as a workstation (which this build is intended) is a monster for a fraction of the intel price.
Well Intel doesnt need to to do anything, it has processors with 6 cores/12 threads, 8 cores/16 threads or 10 cores/20 threads which are more then capable of running anything but they are very expensive.
95 degrees for the cpu with h80 in gaming is too much, something is wrong. Did you follow the install isntructions? Did plug the fan into the pump and the pump into the cpu header? did you made cpu fan speed from bios to 100%? What does corsair link says for pump speed, fan speed? Also tighten up the screws really well, dont worry you wont brak the processor, they are made to stop when the presure is optimal.

EDIT: You asked if it is enought, well only you can asnwer to that, make tests and be sure the cpu stays under 80 degress.

What graph must i look at? There is a few different once. There is "CPU package" graph, and then there is the individual "CPU core" temp for each one. Which one should i look at when determining if it's running to hot. Im gonna go home and make sure that i installed it correctly, but my system is running fine, and it's running very fast?

 

[Dragos Manea]

Look at individual core temperatures, they should not go over 80 degrees.