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AdamskiPCHelp

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Hey guys! I hope you are all well! I have a computer that I wanted to upgrade because my new games I’ve bought stutter a lot. These new games are BFV and BF2.

Current Specs: I5 8400 Gtx 1060 3gb 128gb SSD 1TB barracuda HDD 1 8gb stick of unbranded DDR4 ram

I asked some friends about what I should do. They told me I should upgrade my Ram so I bought 3000mhz Corsair LPX 8x2 gb ram. Should I have done something else? Please help!
 
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Karadjgne
You aren't actually using all the ram, and thats where you are getting the stutters from most likely. There's a thing in windows called pagefile. What that does is when you physically exceed @ 7Gb of ram usage, it apportions part of your storage to act as temporary ram. This can make things extremely slow to run, especially if you have a small ssd that's kinda full, pagefile being on the hdd instead.

Imagine the cpu demanding 10Gb of files for the next frame, ram only supplies 7Gb, so the other 3Gb gets read from the hdd, transfered to a temporary folder on the hdd, re-read from the hdd and given to the cpu, which pre-renders the frame and sends it to the gpu.

All that wasted time dumps fps in the toilet as the cpu is left waiting for...
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Did the new ram help? I could see moving to dual channel helping. Moving to 16GBs should help as well.

https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=35520&game=Battlefield V

Here are the suggestions for BFV. You are a bit light on the CPU thread reccomended, and the GPU also falls just short. It's suggesting an 8 thread CPU and the 6GB 1060. (the 3GB has not only half the ram, but a few less shaders making it ~10% weaker than the 6GB card.) You could use both a CPU and GPU bump.
 
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4745454b said:
Did the new ram help? I could see moving to dual channel helping. Moving to 16GBs should help as well.

https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=35520&game=Battlefield V

Here are the suggestions for BFV. You are a bit light on the CPU thread reccomended, and the GPU also falls just short. It's suggesting an 8 thread CPU and the 6GB 1060. (the 3GB has not only half the ram, but a few less shaders making it ~10% weaker than the 6GB card.) You could use both a CPU and GPU bump.
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Thx for reply!
The RAM is coming next week.
And btw I play BFV on lowest settings. 30 fps is alright but it’s the stuttering that is annoying me. It’s literally unplayable because of stutter.
 
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AdamskiPCHelp said:
The ram is coming next week. So the ram will help?
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Well, if every component is in dedicated place, carefully builded, it should be verything just fine.
I saw people with incompatible motherboard for some tipes of SSD.
Like my laptop.I can put M.2 SSD but sata, no NVMe.
I think for you will be fine to make RAM corectly, watch sockets for cpu, .. compatibility for every part of configuration you want to have :)
 
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Marac said:
Well, if every component is in dedicated place, carefully builded, it should be verything just fine.
I saw people with incompatible motherboard for some tipes of SSD.
Like my laptop.I can put M.2 SSD but sata, no NVMe.
I think for you will be fine to make RAM corectly, watch sockets for cpu, .. compatibility for every part of configuration you want to have :)
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The computer is actually prebuilt. It’s a asus rog gl12 computer so everything should be in place.
Btw when I play these games and go to Task manager it says that it’s using 100 percent RAM.
 
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You aren't actually using all the ram, and thats where you are getting the stutters from most likely. There's a thing in windows called pagefile. What that does is when you physically exceed @ 7Gb of ram usage, it apportions part of your storage to act as temporary ram. This can make things extremely slow to run, especially if you have a small ssd that's kinda full, pagefile being on the hdd instead.

Imagine the cpu demanding 10Gb of files for the next frame, ram only supplies 7Gb, so the other 3Gb gets read from the hdd, transfered to a temporary folder on the hdd, re-read from the hdd and given to the cpu, which pre-renders the frame and sends it to the gpu.

All that wasted time dumps fps in the toilet as the cpu is left waiting for data to crunch, which means the gpu gets left waiting, so re-submits the last frame again while it buffers the new, incoming frame that is finally getting there. That re-do frame you see, is the stutter, the pause in flow.

Moving up beyond the 10Gb need to 16Gb available will alleviate all that mess, no more pagefile, no more slowdowns, no more hdd requirements, no more stutter from gpu.

Starting from the cpu, almost all manufacturers/vendors of motherboards say to use slot A2/B2 or #2/#4 as that channel is linked to the primary gate in the cpu, so best performance. If using just one stick, should be in A2, #2 slot.
 
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Karadjgne said:
You aren't actually using all the ram, and thats where you are getting the stutters from most likely. There's a thing in windows called pagefile. What that does is when you physically exceed @ 7Gb of ram usage, it apportions part of your storage to act as temporary ram. This can make things extremely slow to run, especially if you have a small ssd that's kinda full, pagefile being on the hdd instead.

Imagine the cpu demanding 10Gb of files for the next frame, ram only supplies 7Gb, so the other 3Gb gets read from the hdd, transfered to a temporary folder on the hdd, re-read from the hdd and given to the cpu, which pre-renders the frame and sends it to the gpu.

All that wasted time dumps fps in the toilet as the cpu is left waiting for data to crunch, which means the gpu gets left waiting, so re-submits the last frame again while it buffers the new, incoming frame that is finally getting there. That re-do frame you see, is the stutter, the pause in flow.

Moving up beyond the 10Gb need to 16Gb available will alleviate all that mess, no more pagefile, no more slowdowns, no more hdd requirements, no more stutter from gpu.
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So basically after I put in the new ram it will be good right?
 
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It has the best chance, yes. You can test that theory now, run an older game you know doesn't maximize the ram. If you get stutters when full ram isn't used, there's another issue, but if the stutter only happens when full ram is seen, then ram upgrade will fix it.
 
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Karadjgne said:
It has the best chance, yes. You can test that theory now, run an older game you know doesn't maximize the ram. If you get stutters when full ram isn't used, there's another issue, but if the stutter only happens when full ram is seen, then ram upgrade will fix it.
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On for example Apex Legends it runs super smoothly 120-130 FPS and no stutters at all.
 
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To put it into perspective, as to the damage using pagefile does to speeds, for typical Ram, it's @ 20x faster than pagefile on ssd or @ 70x faster than pagefile on a typical hdd, plus or minus a couple of x...

That gets worse if the ssd is full, or for some older models anything over @ 50% capacity is used. For some higher intensity cpu bound games, that means not only is fps in the toilet, it's been backed up, plunged, flushed and still needs a good scrub.
 
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