I need some Advice on the Cryorig H7!

[Connor99z]

I have just installed the Cryorig H7 but there is a few things that are concerning me, is it a problem that the bottem of the cooler is near to the graphics card? And when I say near I mean literally near enough touching, here is some pictures;

http://tinypic.com/r/ffcs38/8
http://tinypic.com/r/2ecj4mq/8
http://tinypic.com/r/358ea15/8

Also it is slightly sloping down more than straight, not too much tho, is this a bad thing?

Also is it ok that the CPU cooler is this close to the fan?
http://tinypic.com/r/hrc8k7/8

 

[Connor99z]

Bump

 

[synphul]

It is pretty close to your gpu. It's not a problem that it's close to the rear exhaust. What motherboard are you using? (brand/model).

 

[Gam3r01]

The exhaust fan is good to go, however that is very close to your graphics card. If it dosent touch there technically isnt an issue.

 

[Connor99z]

It is pretty close to your gpu. It's not a problem that it's close to the rear exhaust. What motherboard are you using? (brand/model).

My Motherboard is the MSI H61M-P31 (G3) (MS-7788)

 

[Connor99z]

The exhaust fan is good to go, however that is very close to your graphics card. If it dosent touch there technically isnt an issue.

I have had the pc on for a while now, and these are my temps while browsing the internet, https://gyazo.com/abd1a17dbe72a568ba4a1aad70ed5f03 and no it is not touching, just by a little bit, would the fan spinning make it heavier? which will make it touch the GPU?

 

[Gam3r01]

Temps are fine, and the fan wont make it touch.

I would keep a very close eye on it however.

 

[Connor99z]

Temps are fine, and the fan wont make it touch.

I would keep a very close eye on it however.

What would happen if it did touch the top of the GPU?

 

[synphul]

Oh ok, so it is an matx board with only one pcie slot. I was going to suggest possibly moving your gpu to a lower slot but there isn't one. The fan spinning shouldn't make it heavier. This is kind of a macguyver approach, if it were me I would look for something like a thin piece of foam or something, just a small strip and try to place it between the edge of the cooler and the gpu to keep them gently separated. Not so thick as to push on the gpu but enough to keep them apart. My concern are the metal cooler fins potentially being close enough to bridge across contacts on the back of the gpu and possibly cause some sort of shorting. Most pcie slots aren't that close to the cpu socket on other boards, being a small matx board they've got that pcie slot shoved right up tight to the cpu socket where the cooler is a lot closer to it.

 

[Gam3r01]

You would risk a short, the suggestion above is a good idea.

 

[Connor99z]

Oh ok, so it is an matx board with only one pcie slot. I was going to suggest possibly moving your gpu to a lower slot but there isn't one. The fan spinning shouldn't make it heavier. This is kind of a macguyver approach, if it were me I would look for something like a thin piece of foam or something, just a small strip and try to place it between the edge of the cooler and the gpu to keep them gently separated. Not so thick as to push on the gpu but enough to keep them apart. My concern are the metal cooler fins potentially being close enough to bridge across contacts on the back of the gpu and possibly cause some sort of shorting. Most pcie slots aren't that close to the cpu socket on other boards, being a small matx board they've got that pcie slot shoved right up tight to the cpu socket where the cooler is a lot closer to it.

Ok, yes i did look at where my GPU was, and was thinking of moving it down one, but then i saw that under the gpu there is more of the motherboard that is blocking it, so i cant move it down, what would happen is there was a shortage?

 

[synphul]

Hard to say what would happen. It would depend on which electrical connections were bridged. On the back (top side of the gpu, closest to the cpu cooler) are various connection pins for power and data and they're soldered to the gpu's pcb board. Those solder spots create raised bumps. If the metal fins were to touch any two of those points that are carrying electrical current it may make an electrical connection that was isolated originally by the pcb of the graphics card. A short is when two electrical points touch and it could burn out various parts on the graphics card by overvolting them, it could create sparks, if there's enough electrical current it could pass through the cpu cooler (since it's metal and conductive) to the metal ihs (heat spread on the cpu, the metal cover the cooler is mounted against) and potentially damage the cpu also.

These are all just possibilities, not trying to scare you that your pc is going to blow up or melt down. Even if the chances are slight or low, they still exist as possibilities. It could result in a damaged/burnt graphics card, cpu or other components. A small piece of foam strip (or some other non conductive material) keeping them separated would prevent the cooler fins from touching the metal contacts on the back of the graphics card. Rather than a full sheet of material covering components that produce heat causing an overheating situation, a small strip would be enough to do the job without covering heat producing parts of the graphics card and allow it to dispel any heat as it normally would.

Edit: Here's an example of the sort of foam I was referring to. It's 1/2" wide, 1/4" tall (thick) . You don't have to buy exactly this, it's just an example of something I would try using. It's only $5 as well.
http://www.amazon.com/M-D-Building-Products-6577-2-Inch-/dp/B000HE5Z9U/ref=lp_495372_1_15?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1441830771&sr=1-15

Here's what I was referring to. Assuming the red skinny rectangle is the orientation of the foam tape and the big blue box is the area where your cpu cooler hangs over the graphics card.
http://prntscr.com/8eiq5z

The side of the gpu in this photo closest to the bottom of the image is where it plugs into the motherboard, the top edge in the photo is the edge closest to you when you open the side of the pc case, where the edge of the cpu cooler hangs just above the graphics card. If using a sticky backed foam tape like I linked to, I might put it between the edge of the cooler tower and the gpu board as shown in the diagram with the sticky side facing up to the cpu cooler fins. That way it won't stick to the graphics card and leave any nasty sticky residue. The fins of the cooler are so thin it won't really stick to the cooler or leave any residue on the cooler.

 

[Connor99z]

Hard to say what would happen. It would depend on which electrical connections were bridged. On the back (top side of the gpu, closest to the cpu cooler) are various connection pins for power and data and they're soldered to the gpu's pcb board. Those solder spots create raised bumps. If the metal fins were to touch any two of those points that are carrying electrical current it may make an electrical connection that was isolated originally by the pcb of the graphics card. A short is when two electrical points touch and it could burn out various parts on the graphics card by overvolting them, it could create sparks, if there's enough electrical current it could pass through the cpu cooler (since it's metal and conductive) to the metal ihs (heat spread on the cpu, the metal cover the cooler is mounted against) and potentially damage the cpu also.

These are all just possibilities, not trying to scare you that your pc is going to blow up or melt down. Even if the chances are slight or low, they still exist as possibilities. It could result in a damaged/burnt graphics card, cpu or other components. A small piece of foam strip (or some other non conductive material) keeping them separated would prevent the cooler fins from touching the metal contacts on the back of the graphics card. Rather than a full sheet of material covering components that produce heat causing an overheating situation, a small strip would be enough to do the job without covering heat producing parts of the graphics card and allow it to dispel any heat as it normally would.

Ok, the bottem of the CPU cooler is pretty big tho so 1 strip wont do much? and where can i buy some foam?

 

[synphul]

I was thinking a strip because the gap between the cooler and the gpu is a 'C' shape. Looking at it from the rear of the case, you have the motherboard on the left side vertically. The motherboard mounts for the cooler and graphics card are solid and can't flex. It's providing a fixed point of space between the cpu cooler attached to the motherboard and the graphics card attached at the pcie slot, so the inside edge where the cooler hangs over the graphics card can't get any closer there. The motherboard itself is holding them apart. At the outer edge of the cooler where it hangs free over the graphics card is where it can flex and potentially touch the gpu. Adding the foam strip there would turn the "C" shaped space into a square. Giving a fixed separation at the long edge of the gpu between the gpu/cpu cooler provided by the motherboard and at the front long edge of the gpu separated by the foam strip.

I can see I'm having a hard time describing it and trying not to confuse here. Here's an image to try and illustrate what I mean. The yellow arrows show the distance between the cpu cooler and inside long edge of the graphics card, that's held in place (unmovable) thanks to the motherboard itself. The red arrows between the end of the cpu tower and the outer edge of the graphics card facing closest to you when you open the side panel is where there could be a little flex in the cooler, allowing it to get closer to the graphics card. There's nothing holding the two apart right there, it's the open part of the "C" shape of space between the two. (the cpu cooler being the top of the "C", the motherboard the edge of the "C" and the gpu forming the bottom of the "C" with nothing along the front edge). Having the foam strip there would support and keep a gap between the cooler and graphics card, closing in the "C" and offering spacing/support at the open edge of the gap between the two where the cooler may be hanging closer to the back of the graphics card.

http://prntscr.com/8eiyog

If a single strip of foam doesn't seem like enough, an inexpensive roll like that has 10ft so plenty to add an additional strip if you feel it's necessary. Just try to avoid using any more than you have to, the more foam you have covering the back of the gpu the more it may cover heat generating parts that need airflow to keep cool. The idea is to keep an open gap for airflow/cooling of the components at the back of the gpu.

 

[Connor99z]

I was thinking a strip because the gap between the cooler and the gpu is a 'C' shape. Looking at it from the rear of the case, you have the motherboard on the left side vertically. The motherboard mounts for the cooler and graphics card are solid and can't flex. It's providing a fixed point of space between the cpu cooler attached to the motherboard and the graphics card attached at the pcie slot, so the inside edge where the cooler hangs over the graphics card can't get any closer there. The motherboard itself is holding them apart. At the outer edge of the cooler where it hangs free over the graphics card is where it can flex and potentially touch the gpu. Adding the foam strip there would turn the "C" shaped space into a square. Giving a fixed separation at the long edge of the gpu between the gpu/cpu cooler provided by the motherboard and at the front long edge of the gpu separated by the foam strip.

I can see I'm having a hard time describing it and trying not to confuse here. Here's an image to try and illustrate what I mean. The yellow arrows show the distance between the cpu cooler and inside long edge of the graphics card, that's held in place (unmovable) thanks to the motherboard itself. The red arrows between the end of the cpu tower and the outer edge of the graphics card facing closest to you when you open the side panel is where there could be a little flex in the cooler, allowing it to get closer to the graphics card. There's nothing holding the two apart right there, it's the open part of the "C" shape of space between the two. (the cpu cooler being the top of the "C", the motherboard the edge of the "C" and the gpu forming the bottom of the "C" with nothing along the front edge). Having the foam strip there would support and keep a gap between the cooler and graphics card, closing in the "C" and offering spacing/support at the open edge of the gap between the two where the cooler may be hanging closer to the back of the graphics card.

http://prntscr.com/8eiyog

If a single strip of foam doesn't seem like enough, an inexpensive roll like that has 10ft so plenty to add an additional strip if you feel it's necessary. Just try to avoid using any more than you have to, the more foam you have covering the back of the gpu the more it may cover heat generating parts that need airflow to keep cool. The idea is to keep an open gap for airflow/cooling of the components at the back of the gpu.

So on that picture, the space between the GPU and the Cooler with the yellow lines, is where i have the problem, because the cooler is nearly touching the GPU, am i planning on putting a little strip of foam on top of the GPU where the little tiny gap is free from where the CPU Cooler is nearly touching? putting foam here will it affect and damage the GPU top? and the CPU coil bits?

 

[synphul]

It shouldn't affect the gpu if you place the foam strip dry side down. If you feel better about it, place a strip of foam near the edge of both long sides of the gpu. Both where it's near to the motherboard and plugs into the pcie slot and on the outside lengthwise edge facing you when you open the panel. Run the foam from the back of the case to the front, not short ways side to side. The foam is just an idea to give some padding/space between the metal cooler fins and any potential place it could contact the gpu. Running a strip or two should leave most of the gpu board open for air circulation to prevent any odd heat build up. The foam touching the edges of the cpu cooler fins won't be an issue. Not much heat extends all the way to the edges of the fins and it won't block airflow through the cooler so the cooler should work the exact same as it does now.

The foam will have a little give, you don't want something wedged between the cpu cooler and gpu wider than the natural gap that's there. That would increase pressure like a wedge and shove between the cooler and gpu and put strain on the pcie slot which you don't want to do. It's just a little padding to keep the cooler fins stable away from the back of the gpu to prevent any accidental touching. I can't see it in person despite the photos to tell for sure how much or little space there is. My thinking with soft foam, it's enough to provide some padding/spacing between the two components but soft enough that if the foam is a tiny bit thicker than the gap between the two, the foam will compress rather than put strain/pressure between the cooler and gpu.

Think of the foam as if you place your hand in a door jam, the door can get close to closing but with your hand in between, in the way, it can't close. That's all the foam is for, to keep the cooler from touching the back of the gpu. With your hand in the way of the 'door' it will bump against your hand all day long without closing shut. It will maintain a small gap.

 

[Connor99z]

It shouldn't affect the gpu if you place the foam strip dry side down. If you feel better about it, place a strip of foam near the edge of both long sides of the gpu. Both where it's near to the motherboard and plugs into the pcie slot and on the outside lengthwise edge facing you when you open the panel. Run the foam from the back of the case to the front, not short ways side to side. The foam is just an idea to give some padding/space between the metal cooler fins and any potential place it could contact the gpu. Running a strip or two should leave most of the gpu board open for air circulation to prevent any odd heat build up. The foam touching the edges of the cpu cooler fins won't be an issue. Not much heat extends all the way to the edges of the fins and it won't block airflow through the cooler so the cooler should work the exact same as it does now.

The foam will have a little give, you don't want something wedged between the cpu cooler and gpu wider than the natural gap that's there. That would increase pressure like a wedge and shove between the cooler and gpu and put strain on the pcie slot which you don't want to do. It's just a little padding to keep the cooler fins stable away from the back of the gpu to prevent any accidental touching. I can't see it in person despite the photos to tell for sure how much or little space there is. My thinking with soft foam, it's enough to provide some padding/spacing between the two components but soft enough that if the foam is a tiny bit thicker than the gap between the two, the foam will compress rather than put strain/pressure between the cooler and gpu.

Think of the foam as if you place your hand in a door jam, the door can get close to closing but with your hand in between, in the way, it can't close. That's all the foam is for, to keep the cooler from touching the back of the gpu. With your hand in the way of the 'door' it will bump against your hand all day long without closing shut. It will maintain a small gap.

So on the pictures that I have took, showing how much space I have, I need to put foam in between them both yes? Do I put this in the middle of the Bottem of the CPU cooler and gpu? Also can you link me to where I can buy some foam? And what foam I need? Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it. I don't really know much about this stuff, my PC was built by someone else, and all I have done with it is cleaned it and installed this H7

 

[synphul]

Well without trying to spend more money on a whole new cooler, this would be the cost effective route and something I would try if it were my system. Here's the link I posted above, using similar descriptive wording you can search around if you like.

http://www.amazon.com/M-D-Building-Products-6577-2-Inch-/dp/B000HE5Z9U/ref=lp_495372_1_15?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1441830771&sr=1-15

It's commonly used as weather seal tape to help seal openings either around car trunks, doors, windows, that sort of thing. It's just thin spongy foam rubber and will provide insulation between metal components. Think of the prongs in an electrical outlet, so long as they're kept separate from one another they're fine. If you were to bend a paperclip in half and touch both contacts together you would have an electrical short.

The metal points on the back of the graphics card are similar, many carry different amounts of electricity and are fine when kept apart from one another. If the cooler were to touch to separated metal contacts on the back that both had voltage it could do the same thing as the paperclip in the wall outlet and cause a short. Just trying to keep that from potentially happening since electronics are sensitive and it doesn't take much to ruin them with the wrong amount of electricity. Yes, the foam goes in between them. Just a strip or two, covering the whole area between the cooler and graphics card like a blanket with the foam may trap heat on the graphics card that needs to escape.

A couple of strips will act as padding between the two (cooler and graphics card) to keep them apart and leave a gap for any heat that needs to escape to vent out. Most of the cooling is done on the underside of the graphics card with the cooler and fan but there are a few parts on the back of the graphics card that get pretty warm. You just don't want to insulate those parts and have the heat build up and cause your graphics card to run hot.

 

[Connor99z]

Do I do the 2 strips far away from each other? So say 1 near to the end of the CPU cooler and another one on the other end? And how do I put them on? Do they stick so they can't move or what? Also do I put the strips long ways or the other way? If you get what I mean?...

 

[synphul]

Having a hard time finding a clear pic of a gpu for reference. This would be looking at the top of the graphics card while it's installed, the side attaching to the motherboard labeled 'motherboard'. The green boxes are where I think the foam strips would do the most good. The blue box shows parts of the graphics card that would be best left uncovered since they create heat and need some ventilation. That's why I recommend not covering that blue area if possible. The less components covered by the foam strips the better, it's just to serve as padding to keep the cooler from actually touching the gpu. I think the longer of the two green boxes would be the only strip you'd need but if you feel more comfortable using 2 strips then both green boxes are where I'd put the foam strips.

http://prntscr.com/8elck5

As close as the cooler is to the graphics card, I don't think you have to worry about the strips moving. They'll likely be pressed a bit between the cooler and gpu. My suggestion to put the strips sticky side toward the cpu cooler, they don't need to stick. The cooling fins will give them less to stick to and you won't have any sticky/gummy residue from the tape side of the foam stuck all over your graphics card.