I need someone to help prove why my build is better

[WiiUMasterGman]

So I am helping my friend build his PC but he is stubborn and won't consider my build what so ever

This is my build

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/J6sKpG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/J6sKpG/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($228.75 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 SLI PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($168.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: ADATA - XPG Z1 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($199.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($399.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($67.99 @ PC-Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case Fan: BitFenix - Spectre LED 47.7 CFM 140mm Fan ($6.47 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $1161.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-14 14:58 EDT-0400

and this is the build that his brother suggested

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J7mBjy
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J7mBjy/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($193.29 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($86.20 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($5.45 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - Z270 SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($93.48 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($190.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Samsung)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB STRIX Video Card ($192.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($129.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.50 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.50 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.50 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.50 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell - S2716DG 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($474.70 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Corsair - K95 RGB PLATINUM Wired Gaming Keyboard ($171.42 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Corsair - M65 PRO RGB FPS Wired Optical Mouse ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1846.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-14 14:59 EDT-0400

Now I modified my build to fit all the extra stuff

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gbh8r6
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gbh8r6/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($228.75 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 SLI PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($168.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: ADATA - XPG Z1 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($199.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card ($409.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($67.99 @ PC-Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case Fan: BitFenix - Spectre LED 47.7 CFM 140mm Fan ($6.47 @ Newegg Canada)
Monitor: MSI - Optix G24C 23.6" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($219.99 @ Memory Express)
Keyboard: Redragon - K552-R KUMARA Wired Gaming Keyboard ($46.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Mouse: Razer - DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($49.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace)
Total: $1598.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-14 15:01 EDT-0400

I understand that it is more then the build his brother suggested but it is worth it

 

[Corwin65]

Lower price, new platform (his is dead) better GPU.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Hmmmm.

The second build is a bad buy. The i5 7500 is not a good choice right now. The 8400 is a MUCH better CPU.

With all that said, there are a few things to mix and match to get best performance.
Get the faster ram in the second build for the same price as the Adata 2400mhz ram.
Get a GTX1060gb, which is just a tad better than the RX580 (generally - no flame wars, thanks folks ) but is game dependant.
The BQ PSU is okay. For the price get a EVGA G2/G3 550, Corsair CX550M or a Seasonic S12II 550w, they will be plenty for that system, and still allow for some headroom.

edit: the keyboard, fans, case are almost secondary considerations. You/he can choose whatever styling suits best. That's more of a personal thing.

 

[WiiUMasterGman]

Hmmmm.

The second build is a bad buy. The i5 7500 is not a good choice right now. The 8400 is a MUCH better CPU.

With all that said, there are a few things to mix and match to get best performance.
Get the faster ram in the second build for the same price as the Adata 2400mhz ram.
Get a GTX1060gb, which is just a tad better than the RX580 (generally - no flame wars, thanks folks ) but is game dependant.
The BQ PSU is okay. For the price get a EVGA G2/G3 550, Corsair CX550M or a Seasonic S12II 550w, they will be plenty for that system, and still allow for some headroom.

edit: the keyboard, fans, case are almost secondary considerations. You/he can choose whatever styling suits best. That's more of a personal thing.

Yes KB/M is there choice and defiantly something I'mm going to argue with. He prefers Intel and Nvidia. Just going to show him this and MAYBE he might consider my build

 

[USAFRet]

Apples and oranges.

Remove the fans, mouse, kbd.
Add the OS to the last one (and NOT Win 10 Pro. Home instead)
Different size monitors.

Compare equal parts, and see what happens.

 

[WiiUMasterGman]

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/N6VyKB
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/N6VyKB/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($228.75 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 SLI PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($168.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE RGB SYNC 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($219.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($144.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($399.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Case: Rosewill - TYRFING ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ PC-Canada)
Monitor: Acer - XB241H bmipr 24.0" 1920x1080 180Hz Monitor ($449.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Keyboard: Redragon - K552-R KUMARA Wired Gaming Keyboard ($46.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Mouse: Razer - DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($49.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace)
Total: $1834.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-14 17:06 EDT-0400

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[Roland Of Gilead]

That's a solid 1080p 60hz build, and will get much better results than the i5 7500 based system.

 

[-Fran-]

A single 250GB drive won't be enough IMO. Why don't you go for a 512GB/1TB sATA SSD instead (if the price is in range)? A Crucial MX500 would be a good idea in the 500GB range.

Also, if you're going for a locked i5 8400, then a Z370 is overkill. Why don't you look for a decent B360 instead?

And, when people doesn't want to hear you, you just need to let them fall and be there to pick them up. If they refuse a hand, there's nothing much you can do other than watch over them and rub it in their face when you're right. I mean, that's what friends are for, isn't it? ;D

Cheers!

 

[WiiUMasterGman]

I like that answer

 

[WiiUMasterGman]

@Yuka I put in the z370 board because he plans to upgrade to an 8700k or 8600k sometime in the future. But the current state of the GPUs a 1060 6gb or 1160/2060 6gb is good enough for now. I also have a 250gb 860 evo and I have no problem with 250GBs

 

[-Fran-]

If he plans to upgrade, then why not just wait until the Z390 appears? Maybe the rumoured 8-core Covfefe Lake will show up soon for sale.

Does he need to build *right now*?

Cheers!