I THINK THIS BUILD WILL WORK...RIGHT!?

Geeksire · Sep 15, 2011

Approximate Purchase Date: This month

Budget Range: Under $2,200 preferably

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, movies, internet, music

Parts Not Required: My OS for Windows 7

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com

Country of Origin: U.S.A

Parts Preferences: I prefer Intel and Nvidia only

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: SLI later when I get enough money for another GTX 580

Monitor Resolution: 1920X1080

Additional Comments: Would like a cold computer which will be good for a long time.

HERE IS MY BUILD:

TOWER (COMPUTER CASE)------HAF X RC-942
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225
((($180))) [[[STILL DEBATING]]]

GRAPHIC CARD----GTX 580
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130587
((($480))) [[[MAYBE SLI]]]

MONITOR------Asus LCD Monitor 23.6"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052
((($170)))

HARD DRIVE-----1 TB 7200 RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533
((($90))) [[[STILL DEBATING]]]

CPU------Intel Core i5 3.3GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
((($220)))

COOLER-----Thermalright Silver Arrow Dual 160mm
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11676/cpu-tri-77/Thermalright_Silver_Arrow_Dual_160mm_x_140mm_Fan_Universal_CPU_Cooler_Sockets_775_1156_1366_AM2_AM2_AM3.html#blank
((($83)))

PSU------CORSAIR TX950W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139013
((($140))) [[[SHOULD I STICK WITH 900 OR 950W]]]

RAM--------G. SKILL 8GB DDR3 1866(2 X 4GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231460
((($70)))

DVD WRITER------ASUS BLUE-RAY DRIVE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135247&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=1jnxqexacaz62
((($69)))

MOBO-------

((($200)))

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TOTAL: $1,702

Proximon · Sep 16, 2011

That seems like an awful lot of money for what you got. It's also kind of strange to put that massive CPU cooler on a CPU that you don't want to OC. And that cooler is massive. It's going to cover most of your MB.

How about a nice Corsair H100?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Water+Cooling-_-Corsair-_-35181017

Better cooled card at a lower price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162073

Good triple-spaced board, Asus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131730

Geeksire · Sep 16, 2011

As long as it cools my system where it doesn't burn anything inside my tower. I'm A' ok!

As for the PSU, is it ok to get the 950W for now because I'm going to be getting myself a GTX 580 and then later on I'll get the same one.

Also I am still not sure what motherboard to pick. I would want one with two 2.0 X 16 slots that can run in 16X16 for my graphic cards.

Thank you for your reply.

boiler1990 · Sep 16, 2011

I mean, two GPUs plus a stock cooler in a decent case will stay cool enough. It's up to you as to how much cooling you want.

I agree that the Silver Arrow might be a bit too big. My Cooler Master Hyper 212+ covered up RAM slot 1 when it had a second fan attached.

I'd recommend the PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W. It's OEMed by Seasonic and is cheaper and on sale: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703028&Tpk=pc%20power%20and%20cooling%20950w

As for hard drives, the Samsung F3 1TB is faster and cheaper than the WD Blacks. There's no real reason not to get it.

Your games won't suffer if they run at x16/x8 or x8/x8 - the performance difference is extremely small. Also, 2x580s will crush any modern game at 1920x1080...

Geeksire · Sep 16, 2011

Cool other than the motherboard what else am I missing for this computer to be finished?

Why_Me · Sep 16, 2011

Geeksire :

You might have some problems with that build without a motherboard.

Proximon · Sep 16, 2011

If you insist on a Sandy Bridge processor (why wouldn't you) then you are going to get X8/x8 PCI-E lanes. That's the nature of the CPU and chipset, whether it Z68 or P67.

Zenthar · Sep 16, 2011

For a single 1080p monitor, a GTX 580 is more than enough, SLI is overkill. Maybe you can get a GTX 570 instead and add one later if you really need it. For the tower, if it's the interior space and cable management you want, then the Corsair 600T might be an alternative; they say it's a medium tower but it's about as big as the HAF X.

For the cooler, I like Xigmatek SDT-1283 because they offer a nice cooler/noise ratio, but you will need to add the appropriate 10$ mounting brackets for your CPU socket; for the SDT-1283, I think it's this one. The nice thing about this cooler is if you upgrade again to a new socket MB, you probably just have to change the 10$ bracket (that's what I did when I moved from LGA775 to LGA1155).

jonnycatz1990 · Sep 16, 2011

With this budget you should definitely have a 120GB or larger SSD. Its not the same without a SSD, I promise. Coolermaster Hyper 212 is a hard CPU cooler to beat. A Nvidia 570 or AMD 6950 video card will rock that single monitor. A good 750 watt PSU "Corsair, etc" is all you need, even if using GTX 580. Burning extra coal beyond that.

Sky03 · Sep 16, 2011

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835146011&Tpk=Nzxt%20havik

Review: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4127/nzxt_havik_140_cpu_cooler_review/index6.html

Why_Me · Sep 16, 2011

Proximon :

These are the socket 1155 boards (Sandy Bridge) that I know of that run dual cards @ x16 & x16. There may be more, but I know these ones do. NF200 Bridge ftw.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131714
ASUS P8P67 WS REVOLUTION LGA 1155 Intel P67 / NVIDIA NF200 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131700
ASUS MAXIMUS IV EXTREME (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128480
GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD7-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157269
ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131760
ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128499
GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Proximon · Sep 16, 2011

Maybe I'm missing something, but it all gets funneled down to 16 lanes in the end. The PCI-E slots are just able to communicate between themselves and the NF200 controller at that rate, but the data link to the system is still the same. The way I understand it, the NF200 really just helps 3 or more cards make the most efficient use of those 16 lanes.

Why_Me · Sep 16, 2011

Proximon :

You are correct, and I just learned something. I wasn't sure myself so I googled it to read up on it more.

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=120725&mpage=1 <---- this had a good read on it.

Geeksire · Sep 16, 2011

Why_Me :

I guess I didn't reply about the motherboard that Proximon gave me. Some of the choices is on the motherboard which I was thinking about. :pfff:

But anyways, I have been told that two GTX 580's is overkill because of the one monitor I'm going to buy. The reason why I want to go "overkill" is because I want the graphics to outlive future graphic cards combined (for a very long time.) I mean, is buying two GTX 580's going to last me? Maybe I'm wrong or right but if I'm wrong, please advise me on this then.

As for the Cooler, I am very confused on what you guys are saying remember, I am still a noob at this. Which should I go?

When you say Proximon, "If you insist on a Sandy Bridge processor (why wouldn't you) then you are going to get X8/x8 PCI-E lanes." What do you mean by Sand Bridge processor? And if I was just to get PCI-E lanes X16/X16 what would be the accurate difference to a X8/X8 lanes.

And also thanks for the replys and please remember, I do not know ANYTHING. You guys make it seem I know everything of this stuff but I don't. Just explain to me. Thank you.

Also some of the items I have on my "wish list" are still debatable on which to pick: only not the CPU and Graphics Card will i not change.

P.S: If I really want to OC my components for this build I would, but the daunting image of short-circuiting any of this these parts frightens me. I would like to OC but it is my first time.

Sky03 · Sep 16, 2011

For coolers (heatsink), depending on your budget:

CM hyper 212+ $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

NZXT Havik140 $65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835146011&Tpk=Nzxt%20havik
Review: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4127/nzxt_havik_140_cpu_cooler_review/index.html

CorsairH100 $120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017&Tpk=Corsair%20h100
Review: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4257/corsair_hydro_series_h100_extreme_performance_liquid_cpu_cooler_review/index1.html

Proximon · Sep 16, 2011

Sandy Bridge means, in brief, the newest Intel processors and motherboards. There is a thing called the PCI-E bridge, and that is like a channel that all your graphics data has to travel through. In the newest Intel CPUs, that PCI-E bridge is built-in to the actual CPU.

Think of this "bridge" just like a road bridge. It has lanes. 16 of them, and that's all. Built in to the CPU.

Now, you are wanting a board with more lanes, and so we were discussing exactly what that means... remember, the CPU only has 16. Can't be changed just by buying a different board. BUT, there are boards with 32 lanes.... how is that possible and what does it really mean to you? It's a bit like a 8-lane highway that becaomes a 4-lane highway isn't it? we all know where the bottleneck will be... but until the trafic gets there the 8-lane highway WILL be better. There's your explanation, but: Not really important.

Because it's true, one GTX 580 is quite a lot of power. By the time that GPU starts to seem like not enough, there will be a new GPU out that will be so powerful that it would be better to own THAT than two GTX 580s... and it will not cost any more.

So you SHOULD go that route and not worry about having a huge PSU or a "32 lane" motherboard. But I have long since given up on that argument and don't normally bring it up. After all, I just want you to be happy. If spending $2K will make you happier, I'm actually truly all for it.

Well, there you have it. Too much tequila. Let me know if any of that was not clear enough, I'm off to bed.

Geeksire · Sep 16, 2011

boiler1990 · Sep 16, 2011

The most cost effective RAM is between 1333-1866 MHz . Below that you'll see some slow down, and above that you won't see many/any differences. Cas Latency really only makes a difference if you OC; my CL8 RAM and my CL9 RAM perform almost exactly the same.

The NF200 essentially gives you more PCI-E x16 lanes. It's generally used on the boards that support 3-4 graphics cards.

You probably won't need a sound card - onboard sound is pretty good unless you're using some really high quality equipment. That said, if you have some sort of surround sound setup/headphones, it can make a difference. My HT Omega Striker amplifies my Roccat Kave headphones a lot better than the onboard sound; the drawback is that the drivers are a pain sometimes, and I don't get all the sound channels in some games. In hind sight, I would have gone with a Creative-based card.

Wireless is all up to you. If you're going to use it, then you'll need one. My Asus and TrendNet cards never had any issues and the drivers were pretty trouble-free.

Proximon · Sep 16, 2011

... and I have used a few Rosewill wireless cards that were fine. A wired connection to your router is always preferred though.

I think your list is good. You just need to decide which video card to get.

Geeksire · Sep 16, 2011

I'll look into that thanks.

As for the other items I have posted, would anybody want to recommend anything else that I should get that is better, or something that I really don't need? The case I picked was because it has been reviewed the most and used by gamers with good feedback. Would anybody want to say anything else of what they have or other parts that are really good to use? Thanks.

boiler1990 · Sep 16, 2011

Proximon :

I might switch back to wired once I get some more online games/more time. That said, I have a 300 Mbps card.

Why_Me · Sep 17, 2011

That comes to $1,550 down below before shipping and rebates. Add your h/d, optical drive, and monitor and your good to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139009 $129.99 FREE SHIPPING
Corsair Carbide Series 500R Black Steel structure with molded ABS plastic accent pieces ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.732099 $683.98 - $35.00 Mail In Rebates FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Professional Series HX1050 1050W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Power Supply
MSI N580GTX Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157269 $279.99
ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard PCIe 3.0, NF200, Gold Caps, XFast Lan/USB/Charger

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 $219.99 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103074 $15.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER RR-H101-22FK-RI 80mm Long life sleeve bearing CPU Cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186 $52.99 FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233206 $179.99 FREE SHIPPING
Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F120GB3A-BK 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Geeksire · Sep 17, 2011

Thanks for the reply Why_Me, the RAM and especially the Tower is awesome. Would the tower be better than the HAF 942? And also, would I need another CPU Cooler fan if I have Corsair H100? Thanks!

If I'm going to do SLI would I really need ATX "Full" Tower than the ATX "Mid" Tower?

Why_Me · Sep 17, 2011

Geeksire :

You stated you didn't plan on over clocking, so a nice small cpu cooler will keep that cpu cool and quiet. If you do plan on o/c then I would go with the new Cooler Master 612 due out next week.

As far as mid tower vs full tower.... There's some Corsair mid towers, and Cooler Master mid towers that are larger than a lot of manufactures full towers. Look at the size/specs.

That Corsair case I posted is due out the end of next week and has excellent cooling and size. I'm guessing it will go up in price after it's been on the market for a month or two.

Geeksire · Sep 17, 2011

I would like to OC but I'm afraid of frying my components. I see it difficult for myself since this is my first time ever doing it.

I really don't find it necessary at times, but still not sure if I really want to risk it.

As for the case, in your preference would you buy the HAF 942 or get the Corsair case? Because I imagine ATX Full Towers to house 3 beasty graphics card with LC in the tower where many things can be running inside, but what I am going to install is just the wish list of what I have put up top with just two graphic cards.

If I were to put everything that I have on my "wish list" am I still going to have a lot of room, and if I was to put my "wish list" in the ATX Mid Tower will it be too compressed where it will not have any room?

Thanks again!

I THINK THIS BUILD WILL WORK...RIGHT!?

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