I tried overclocking my Ryzen 5 2400g

[mrseauw]

I tried to overclock my cpu/apu but always unstable.

latest unstable OC (Video tdr BSOD)
CPU clock freq: 3.8 Ghz
CPU voltage: offset (standard 1.45v) - 0.075v
Ram freq: ddr4 2666 mhz
Dram voltage: 1.325v
GFx clock freq: 1300mhz
Gfx core voltage: 0.1375

Didn't change anything else.

Right now I have: (stable)
Dram: 2666mhz
Dram voltage: 1.325v
CPU voltage: offset (standard 1.45v) - 0.05v)

What can I try to get above 3.8GHz ? (base is 3.6 Ghz)
I've seen people go 4.0 Ghz and Gfx clock 1500mhz

Specs:

Mobo: Asus ROG strix b350-f gaming
Ram: 16GB (2x8gb) 2666 mhz Corsair vengeance
CPU: AMD ryzen 5 2400g (with stock cooler)
PSU: EVGA 750w G3 gold

 

[cpucpu123]

You lost the silicon lottery bro. Not everyone can go 3.8/1500

 

[InvalidError]

The first thing most people usually change when attempting to overclock by a significant amount would be the stock HSF which is intended for stock settings and not really suitable for anything beyond trivial overclocks.

 

[drea.drechsler]

Have you determined what voltage you CPU is operating at? 'Standard. 1.45v' doesn't make much sense: 1.45 volt is extremely high and really not safe for continuous operation. What you need to do is monitor CPU Core Voltage during a stability test to determine what the actual core voltage is.

If it really IS 1.45V, that's WAY to high for 3.8G. The processor is doubtless getting hot, especially with the stock cooler, and that's affecting stability in a bad way so you also need to monitor temperature.

 

[mrseauw]

Have you determined what voltage you CPU is operating at? 'Standard. 1.45v' doesn't make much sense: 1.45 volt is extremely high and really not safe for continuous operation. What you need to do is monitor CPU Core Voltage during a stability test to determine what the actual core voltage is.

If it really IS 1.45V, that's WAY to high for 3.8G. The processor is doubtless getting hot, especially with the stock cooler, and that's affecting stability in a bad way so you also need to monitor temperature.

I can't change core voltage in my BIOS only offset or auto, and auto puts it at 1.45v, so i offset it with - 0.05v so it doesn't use more than 1.4v. Before i tried OC'ing the default CPU core voltage was at 1.45 (idk why)

I always monitor my temps, my idle temp is at 35-45 C and at max load ~60 C, when it gets above 60 i lower the ambient temp to get below 60 always. Ambient temp is always between 20-25 C or less if turn down the ac temp more (my ac is almost always on)

 

[drea.drechsler]

Have you determined what voltage you CPU is operating at? 'Standard. 1.45v' doesn't make much sense: 1.45 volt is extremely high and really not safe for continuous operation. What you need to do is monitor CPU Core Voltage during a stability test to determine what the actual core voltage is.

If it really IS 1.45V, that's WAY to high for 3.8G. The processor is doubtless getting hot, especially with the stock cooler, and that's affecting stability in a bad way so you also need to monitor temperature.

I can't change core voltage in my BIOS only offset or auto, and auto puts it at 1.45v, so i offset it with - 0.05v so it doesn't use more than 1.4v. Before i tried OC'ing the default CPU core voltage was at 1.45 (idk why)

I always monitor my temps, my idle temp is at 35-45 C and at max load ~60 C, when it gets above 60 i lower the ambient temp to get below 60 always. Ambient temp is always between 20-25 C or less if turn down the ac temp more (my ac is almost always on)

Apply an offset to bring CPU core voltage to about 1.325 under load at 3.8Ghz and check stability.

What utility do you use to read VCore voltage? What utility are you using to load the processor for stability testing?

 

[mrseauw]

Have you determined what voltage you CPU is operating at? 'Standard. 1.45v' doesn't make much sense: 1.45 volt is extremely high and really not safe for continuous operation. What you need to do is monitor CPU Core Voltage during a stability test to determine what the actual core voltage is.

If it really IS 1.45V, that's WAY to high for 3.8G. The processor is doubtless getting hot, especially with the stock cooler, and that's affecting stability in a bad way so you also need to monitor temperature.

I can't change core voltage in my BIOS only offset or auto, and auto puts it at 1.45v, so i offset it with - 0.05v so it doesn't use more than 1.4v. Before i tried OC'ing the default CPU core voltage was at 1.45 (idk why)

I always monitor my temps, my idle temp is at 35-45 C and at max load ~60 C, when it gets above 60 i lower the ambient temp to get below 60 always. Ambient temp is always between 20-25 C or less if turn down the ac temp more (my ac is almost always on)

Apply an offset to bring CPU core voltage to about 1.325 under load at 3.8Ghz and check stability.

What utility do you use to read VCore voltage? What utility are you using to load the processor for stability testing?

I use Realbench to stresstest (15 min using 8gb ram) and HWinfo to monitor.
I just tested 3 times:
"stock" cpu 3600mhz max 1.4v -> passed; temp max 61 C
cpu 3800mhz max 1.325v -> froze at 3 min
cpu 3700mhz max 1.325v -> passed; temp max 61 C

I logged all 3 times via HWinfo, you need the excel files?

I'm wondering if i should change my memory timings , everything is on auto, i OC'd to 2666mhz @ 1.35v (since day 1)
current (auto) timings 16-18-19-44 trc: 63 trfc: 467

Is this the limit?
I read that 60 C is pretty low temp for max stress test

I'm still a noob at OC-ing tho, trying to learn

 

[drea.drechsler]

Have you determined what voltage you CPU is operating at? 'Standard. 1.45v' doesn't make much sense: 1.45 volt is extremely high and really not safe for continuous operation. What you need to do is monitor CPU Core Voltage during a stability test to determine what the actual core voltage is.

If it really IS 1.45V, that's WAY to high for 3.8G. The processor is doubtless getting hot, especially with the stock cooler, and that's affecting stability in a bad way so you also need to monitor temperature.

I can't change core voltage in my BIOS only offset or auto, and auto puts it at 1.45v, so i offset it with - 0.05v so it doesn't use more than 1.4v. Before i tried OC'ing the default CPU core voltage was at 1.45 (idk why)

I always monitor my temps, my idle temp is at 35-45 C and at max load ~60 C, when it gets above 60 i lower the ambient temp to get below 60 always. Ambient temp is always between 20-25 C or less if turn down the ac temp more (my ac is almost always on)

Apply an offset to bring CPU core voltage to about 1.325 under load at 3.8Ghz and check stability.

What utility do you use to read VCore voltage? What utility are you using to load the processor for stability testing?

I use Realbench to stresstest (15 min using 8gb ram) and HWinfo to monitor.
I just tested 3 times:
"stock" cpu 3600mhz max 1.4v -> passed; temp max 61 C
cpu 3800mhz max 1.325v -> froze at 3 min
cpu 3700mhz max 1.325v -> passed; temp max 61 C

I logged all 3 times via HWinfo, you need the excel files?

I'm wondering if i should change my memory timings , everything is on auto, i OC'd to 2666mhz @ 1.35v (since day 1)
current (auto) timings 16-18-19-44 trc: 63 trfc: 467

Is this the limit?
I read that 60 C is pretty low temp for max stress test

I'm still a noob at OC-ing tho, trying to learn

since you're using HWinfo. At 3.8G what is the "CPU Core Voltage (STI2 TFN)" reading. Every motherboard reads VCore voltages a little differently, but STI2 TFN voltage is the best one since it's the actual core voltage the processor reports using telemetry. It's should be quite a bit lower than the VCore readings under load and just slightly lower when idle.

If it crashed at 1.325, increase it a couple notches and try again. Keep doing that until you get up to the voltage it needs at that frequency. At 1.425-1.45V you really need to consider going down in frequency unless you're OK potentially reducing the life of your processor.

Don't try overclocking memory at all until you've dialed in a stable overclock on the CPU. You'll never figure out what's going on to get things stable.

 

[mrseauw]

Have you determined what voltage you CPU is operating at? 'Standard. 1.45v' doesn't make much sense: 1.45 volt is extremely high and really not safe for continuous operation. What you need to do is monitor CPU Core Voltage during a stability test to determine what the actual core voltage is.

If it really IS 1.45V, that's WAY to high for 3.8G. The processor is doubtless getting hot, especially with the stock cooler, and that's affecting stability in a bad way so you also need to monitor temperature.

I can't change core voltage in my BIOS only offset or auto, and auto puts it at 1.45v, so i offset it with - 0.05v so it doesn't use more than 1.4v. Before i tried OC'ing the default CPU core voltage was at 1.45 (idk why)

I always monitor my temps, my idle temp is at 35-45 C and at max load ~60 C, when it gets above 60 i lower the ambient temp to get below 60 always. Ambient temp is always between 20-25 C or less if turn down the ac temp more (my ac is almost always on)

Apply an offset to bring CPU core voltage to about 1.325 under load at 3.8Ghz and check stability.

What utility do you use to read VCore voltage? What utility are you using to load the processor for stability testing?

I use Realbench to stresstest (15 min using 8gb ram) and HWinfo to monitor.
I just tested 3 times:
"stock" cpu 3600mhz max 1.4v -> passed; temp max 61 C
cpu 3800mhz max 1.325v -> froze at 3 min
cpu 3700mhz max 1.325v -> passed; temp max 61 C

I logged all 3 times via HWinfo, you need the excel files?

I'm wondering if i should change my memory timings , everything is on auto, i OC'd to 2666mhz @ 1.35v (since day 1)
current (auto) timings 16-18-19-44 trc: 63 trfc: 467

Is this the limit?
I read that 60 C is pretty low temp for max stress test

I'm still a noob at OC-ing tho, trying to learn

since you're using HWinfo. At 3.8G what is the "CPU Core Voltage (STI2 TFN)" reading. Every motherboard reads VCore voltages a little differently, but STI2 TFN voltage is the best one since it's the actual core voltage the processor reports using telemetry. It's should be quite a bit lower than the VCore readings under load and just slightly lower when idle.

If it crashed at 1.325, increase it a couple notches and try again. Keep doing that until you get up to the voltage it needs at that frequency. At 1.425-1.45V you really need to consider going down in frequency unless you're OK potentially reducing the life of your processor.

Don't try overclocking memory at all until you've dialed in a stable overclock on the CPU. You'll never figure out what's going on to get things stable.

Results:
- 3600 @ 1.4v: 1.369v(max) 1.322v(avg) CPU SV2 TFN | 77.6(max) 72.8(avg) CPU(tvtl/tdie) | 61(max) 58.2(avg) CPU(MCS*)
- 3700 @ 1.325v: 1.312v(max) 1.29v(avg) CPU SV2 TFN | 77.5(max) 71.5(avg) CPU(tvtl/tdie) | 62(max) 58.5(avg) CPU(MCS*)
- 3800 @ 1.325v: froze at 3 min
- 3800 @ 1.350v: froze at 5 min
- 3800 @ 1.375v: 1.369v(max) 1.338v(avg) CPU SV2 TFN | 87.3(max) 80.9(avg) CPU(tvtl/tdie) | 67(max) 64.5(avg) CPU(MCS*)

All results @ 100% cpu usage
MCS = motherboard cpu sensor

Should I monitor CPU(tvtl/tdie), or the motherboard cpu sensor?
Ryzenmaster shows temp from motherboard cpu sensor

I think i'll stay at this speed, maybe.
Thanks for helping btw

 

[drea.drechsler]

Have you determined what voltage you CPU is operating at? 'Standard. 1.45v' doesn't make much sense: 1.45 volt is extremely high and really not safe for continuous operation. What you need to do is monitor CPU Core Voltage during a stability test to determine what the actual core voltage is.

If it really IS 1.45V, that's WAY to high for 3.8G. The processor is doubtless getting hot, especially with the stock cooler, and that's affecting stability in a bad way so you also need to monitor temperature.

I can't change core voltage in my BIOS only offset or auto, and auto puts it at 1.45v, so i offset it with - 0.05v so it doesn't use more than 1.4v. Before i tried OC'ing the default CPU core voltage was at 1.45 (idk why)

I always monitor my temps, my idle temp is at 35-45 C and at max load ~60 C, when it gets above 60 i lower the ambient temp to get below 60 always. Ambient temp is always between 20-25 C or less if turn down the ac temp more (my ac is almost always on)

Apply an offset to bring CPU core voltage to about 1.325 under load at 3.8Ghz and check stability.

What utility do you use to read VCore voltage? What utility are you using to load the processor for stability testing?

I use Realbench to stresstest (15 min using 8gb ram) and HWinfo to monitor.
I just tested 3 times:
"stock" cpu 3600mhz max 1.4v -> passed; temp max 61 C
cpu 3800mhz max 1.325v -> froze at 3 min
cpu 3700mhz max 1.325v -> passed; temp max 61 C

I logged all 3 times via HWinfo, you need the excel files?

I'm wondering if i should change my memory timings , everything is on auto, i OC'd to 2666mhz @ 1.35v (since day 1)
current (auto) timings 16-18-19-44 trc: 63 trfc: 467

Is this the limit?
I read that 60 C is pretty low temp for max stress test

I'm still a noob at OC-ing tho, trying to learn

since you're using HWinfo. At 3.8G what is the "CPU Core Voltage (STI2 TFN)" reading. Every motherboard reads VCore voltages a little differently, but STI2 TFN voltage is the best one since it's the actual core voltage the processor reports using telemetry. It's should be quite a bit lower than the VCore readings under load and just slightly lower when idle.

If it crashed at 1.325, increase it a couple notches and try again. Keep doing that until you get up to the voltage it needs at that frequency. At 1.425-1.45V you really need to consider going down in frequency unless you're OK potentially reducing the life of your processor.

Don't try overclocking memory at all until you've dialed in a stable overclock on the CPU. You'll never figure out what's going on to get things stable.

Results:
- 3600 @ 1.4v: 1.369v(max) 1.322v(avg) CPU SV2 TFN | 77.6(max) 72.8(avg) CPU(tvtl/tdie) | 61(max) 58.2(avg) CPU(MCS*)
- 3700 @ 1.325v: 1.312v(max) 1.29v(avg) CPU SV2 TFN | 77.5(max) 71.5(avg) CPU(tvtl/tdie) | 62(max) 58.5(avg) CPU(MCS*)
- 3800 @ 1.325v: froze at 3 min
- 3800 @ 1.350v: froze at 5 min
- 3800 @ 1.375v: 1.369v(max) 1.338v(avg) CPU SV2 TFN | 87.3(max) 80.9(avg) CPU(tvtl/tdie) | 67(max) 64.5(avg) CPU(MCS*)

All results @ 100% cpu usage
MCS = motherboard cpu sensor

Should I monitor CPU(tvtl/tdie), or the motherboard cpu sensor?
Ryzenmaster shows temp from motherboard cpu sensor

I think i'll stay at this speed, maybe.
Thanks for helping btw

Absolutely monitor CPU(tvtl/tdie) which is the actual die temperature reported by the processor in telemetry. The 3800@1.375 line tells the story: your CPU is running upwards of 87C and that is way to high. 95C is Tjmax for Ryzen, the point it's self-protection routine takes over an induces throttling or even shut down. You totally need a better CPU cooler before going above 3700@1.325 - which is still in the low 70's and something you should only see at 3900 if well cooled.

Does your motherboard have LLC settings? The idea is to have the lowest unloaded voltage possible while still having a loaded voltage that maintains stability, so you can adjust it to try and find an ideal. If you get it right it can reduce temperature.

 

[mrseauw]

Have you determined what voltage you CPU is operating at? 'Standard. 1.45v' doesn't make much sense: 1.45 volt is extremely high and really not safe for continuous operation. What you need to do is monitor CPU Core Voltage during a stability test to determine what the actual core voltage is.

If it really IS 1.45V, that's WAY to high for 3.8G. The processor is doubtless getting hot, especially with the stock cooler, and that's affecting stability in a bad way so you also need to monitor temperature.

I can't change core voltage in my BIOS only offset or auto, and auto puts it at 1.45v, so i offset it with - 0.05v so it doesn't use more than 1.4v. Before i tried OC'ing the default CPU core voltage was at 1.45 (idk why)

I always monitor my temps, my idle temp is at 35-45 C and at max load ~60 C, when it gets above 60 i lower the ambient temp to get below 60 always. Ambient temp is always between 20-25 C or less if turn down the ac temp more (my ac is almost always on)

Apply an offset to bring CPU core voltage to about 1.325 under load at 3.8Ghz and check stability.

What utility do you use to read VCore voltage? What utility are you using to load the processor for stability testing?

I use Realbench to stresstest (15 min using 8gb ram) and HWinfo to monitor.
I just tested 3 times:
"stock" cpu 3600mhz max 1.4v -> passed; temp max 61 C
cpu 3800mhz max 1.325v -> froze at 3 min
cpu 3700mhz max 1.325v -> passed; temp max 61 C

I logged all 3 times via HWinfo, you need the excel files?

I'm wondering if i should change my memory timings , everything is on auto, i OC'd to 2666mhz @ 1.35v (since day 1)
current (auto) timings 16-18-19-44 trc: 63 trfc: 467

Is this the limit?
I read that 60 C is pretty low temp for max stress test

I'm still a noob at OC-ing tho, trying to learn

since you're using HWinfo. At 3.8G what is the "CPU Core Voltage (STI2 TFN)" reading. Every motherboard reads VCore voltages a little differently, but STI2 TFN voltage is the best one since it's the actual core voltage the processor reports using telemetry. It's should be quite a bit lower than the VCore readings under load and just slightly lower when idle.

If it crashed at 1.325, increase it a couple notches and try again. Keep doing that until you get up to the voltage it needs at that frequency. At 1.425-1.45V you really need to consider going down in frequency unless you're OK potentially reducing the life of your processor.

Don't try overclocking memory at all until you've dialed in a stable overclock on the CPU. You'll never figure out what's going on to get things stable.

Results:
- 3600 @ 1.4v: 1.369v(max) 1.322v(avg) CPU SV2 TFN | 77.6(max) 72.8(avg) CPU(tvtl/tdie) | 61(max) 58.2(avg) CPU(MCS*)
- 3700 @ 1.325v: 1.312v(max) 1.29v(avg) CPU SV2 TFN | 77.5(max) 71.5(avg) CPU(tvtl/tdie) | 62(max) 58.5(avg) CPU(MCS*)
- 3800 @ 1.325v: froze at 3 min
- 3800 @ 1.350v: froze at 5 min
- 3800 @ 1.375v: 1.369v(max) 1.338v(avg) CPU SV2 TFN | 87.3(max) 80.9(avg) CPU(tvtl/tdie) | 67(max) 64.5(avg) CPU(MCS*)

All results @ 100% cpu usage
MCS = motherboard cpu sensor

Should I monitor CPU(tvtl/tdie), or the motherboard cpu sensor?
Ryzenmaster shows temp from motherboard cpu sensor

I think i'll stay at this speed, maybe.
Thanks for helping btw

Absolutely monitor CPU(tvtl/tdie) which is the actual die temperature reported by the processor in telemetry. The 3800@1.375 line tells the story: your CPU is running upwards of 87C and that is way to high. 95C is Tjmax for Ryzen, the point it's self-protection routine takes over an induces throttling or even shut down. You totally need a better CPU cooler before going above 3700@1.325 - which is still in the low 70's and something you should only see at 3900 if well cooled.

Does your motherboard have LLC settings? The idea is to have the lowest unloaded voltage possible while still having a loaded voltage that maintains stability, so you can adjust it to try and find an ideal. If you get it right it can reduce temperature.

Alright, I dialed it down to 3700mhz @ 1.325v, I also activated the D.O.C.P ram profile and tested

Max load: 79.6 (max) 75.27 (avg) | 1.319v (max) 1.290v (avg)
idle: 67.4 (max) 41.9 (avg) | 1.325v(max) 1.317v (avg)

I can't find any LLC settings in my bios.
So don't think so. Turbo-ing my "gpu" in my bios gives my cpu more core voltage so I just left that on auto.
I'll be staying at 3.7Ghz then, until i get better stuff.
Getting a RX580, liquid cooling and still checking on a Ryzen 7 best for my buck.

Thanks for all the help