Question I want to change my systems gpu but my 200 w psu limits me to do it.

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I have a prebuilt (LENOVO IdeaCentre 510S-08IKL) with a gt 1030 lp but I want to upgrade it to a gtx 1050 ti. Can I change my PSU with no problems? If yes please recommend me a PSU for my system with at least 300 watts
 
The is really good.
Great build quality and 650W will allow you to go even further in terms of upgrades.
The case is also a good pick. Comes with 2 fans on the front, 1 on the back and has cutouts on the front which will allow air to travel through the front of the case, to the back where it will be exhausted by that rear exhaust fan.
Is that affordable?
 

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It's not SFX, it's not TFX, it's proprietary and it's 12V only with 12V standby. You can't replace is with an ATX specified PSU.

The motherboard has the front I/O fixed on the motherboard. When you replace the case for a regular mATX/ATX the front I/O gets unusable.

If you want to add a GPU better than GT 1030 you need to replace the motherboard, case and PSU.
 

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Actually those FSP built units are pretty decent, considering they are OEM for HP and Lenovo. Not exactly Corsair quality, but for budget use and an only available fit, having something OEM is better than nothing.
 
Actually those FSP built units are pretty decent, considering they are OEM for HP and Lenovo. Not exactly Corsair quality, but for budget use and an only available fit, having something OEM is better than nothing.
If they even are FSP--that's the problem. This is why I only get genuine parts for these situations, and if an upgrade isn't available, it's a tougher road.
 

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Genuine parts? Phew, that's rough considering everything is made by someone else. Whom do you think makes Corsair psus? FSP? GreatWall? Seasonic? Flextronics? Chicony? CWT? Not Corsair. Not a single unit is actually made by them. And that's the same route almost every vendor takes from the cheapest to most expensive units.

Whom do you think makes OEM psus for the 3rd party vendors like HP, Lenovo etc? Seasonic? GreatWall? Chicony? Delta? FSP? CWT? SuperFlower?

You could consider an FSP psu more Genuine than a branded named psu just based on the fact its a OEM platform using OEM specs, not changed design specs of existing platforms to suit the buyers wants.

Mock the 3rd party OEM psus as you will, but remember that many times those 'junky' psus are quite often far superior to anything you'd list on tier 4 or 5 with a Branded name.
 
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Genuine parts? Phew, that's rough considering everything is made by someone else. Whom do you think makes Corsair psus? FSP? GreatWall? Seasonic? Flextronics? Chicony? CWT? Not Corsair. Not a single unit is actually made by them. And that's the same route almost every vendor takes from the cheapest to most expensive units.

Whom do you think makes OEM psus for the 3rd party vendors like HP, Lenovo etc? Seasonic? GreatWall? Chicony? Delta? FSP? CWT? SuperFlower?

You could consider an FSP psu more Genuine than a branded named psu just based on the fact its a OEM platform using OEM specs, not changed design specs of existing platforms to suit the buyers wants.

Mock the 3rd party OEM psus as you will, but remember that many times those 'junky' psus are quite often far superior to anything you'd list on tier 4 or 5 with a Branded name.
I'm not talking about stupid gamer labels. I'm talking about manufacturers like Lenovo, Dell, and HP. Those genuine parts pass the qc of the manufactur's specs regardless of who makes it. And because the actual manufacturer doesn't want to gamble with multi-million dollar contracts, they won't be doing shady stuff. 'Compatibles' are whatever quality the true manufacturer wants it to be, which is usually strip out all the good stuff and sell it for 60% of the same price as genuine. It's the same in auto parts--genuine Toytota/Honda/Nissan parts are 10x better than the aftermarket even when made by the same company. Why? Because Toytota/Honda/Nissan specs are higher than the manufacturer's who has to do something (cut corners) to bring the price down. I know this because I used to own a parts distribution warehouse, and it's all the same in every industry around the world--computers are no exception.

So an FSP unit that is sold by them will most definitely not be the same as an FSP unit sold by Lenovo as a genuine Lenovo part.
 

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HP, Dell, Lenovo motherboards are made by Asus normally, but can include Msi and Gigabyte. You can guarantee that the QC of those companies is the same for a Dell board as it is for the top of the line boards, the only difference being what is actually implemented on the board. Asus buys resistors in bulk shipments, you'll find the same resistors on an Extreme as a Lenovo. Asus isn't about to decide to have sloppy stuff done simply because.

Same for FSP. They are OEM, one of the few OEM like GreatWall or Seasonic or SuperFlower or Delta. The quality of work done is the same, unless specified greater by a particular vendor. The components are the same, the only difference being What components are spec'd for a particular platform. If you get a Seasonic or Delta psu in an HP, it's the same as one you'd get aftermarket, sometimes can be better if spec'd as such.

If you get an FSP branded, direct bolt-in, it's the same unit as the Lenovo. No different. The only thing different is the label. It means Lenovo ordered 100k of those units, but somewhere FSP had extra, might have had to buy 250k in bulk shells, so makes another 150k of the same unit and sells under their own brand after selling Lenovo theirs.
 
HP, Dell, Lenovo motherboards are made by Asus normally, but can include Msi and Gigabyte. You can guarantee that the QC of those companies is the same for a Dell board as it is for the top of the line boards, the only difference being what is actually implemented on the board. Asus buys resistors in bulk shipments, you'll find the same resistors on an Extreme as a Lenovo. Asus isn't about to decide to have sloppy stuff done simply because.

Same for FSP. They are OEM, one of the few OEM like GreatWall or Seasonic or SuperFlower or Delta. The quality of work done is the same, unless specified greater by a particular vendor. The components are the same, the only difference being What components are spec'd for a particular platform. If you get a Seasonic or Delta psu in an HP, it's the same as one you'd get aftermarket, sometimes can be better if spec'd as such.

If you get an FSP branded, direct bolt-in, it's the same unit as the Lenovo. No different. The only thing different is the label. It means Lenovo ordered 100k of those units, but somewhere FSP had extra, might have had to buy 250k in bulk shells, so makes another 150k of the same unit and sells under their own brand after selling Lenovo theirs.
You are absolutely, 100% wrong. You don't know much about how all this works from the backend and don't want to listen to someone who's seen it, been in it, and sold it.
 

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Arguing about OEM PCs again are we?

I still have the same old arguments about OEM PSUs and hardware. Sure they meet a standard, but what is it? Last until the warranty expires, any more and they would be overspending. I've had them all blow up on me when I ran a software testing lab for about 5 years. Lenovo, Dell, and the occasional HP (That is whole story about them backing out on supplying us with laptops)

Some would run for years without fail. Just luck of the component lottery.

You left out Foxconn, they make a good chunk of Dell's stuff at least. And run their assembly facilities. (So they can put Assembled in the USA on them in the case of the US, though I think the first wave of desktops we got was from Mexico)
 

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You are absolutely, 100% wrong. You don't know much about how all this works from the backend and don't want to listen to someone who's seen it, been in it, and sold it.
I used to custom build pc's for a small shop, do repairs, upgrades, all the standard pc shop stuff. I've been around this business and tinkering inside pc's with hardware and mods for 40 years. I've messed with everything from Apple II's to Mackintosh, Tandy to Via chipsets, Dos to Windows platforms and remember when an AT tower was a marvelous innovation from the desktop that the 15" 30lb CRT sat on. All that when the monitor power cable went to the psu as well.

Do ya think that possibly qualifies as someone who has seen it, been in it, and sold it?

So I guess you know where that 100% belongs, instead you tell me who builds HP mobo's. Oh, it's Asus mostly btw, who builds HP psus, oh, Seasonic, Delta, FSP, GreatWall.

And yes, Foxconn does build a good chunk of Dell mobo's, but Dell is oddball anyways in a lot of stuff, it's kind of model depending and Foxconn is a massive electronics Corp in its own right, has its nose everywhere.
 
Arguing about OEM PCs again are we?

I still have the same old arguments about OEM PSUs and hardware. Sure they meet a standard, but what is it? Last until the warranty expires, any more and they would be overspending. I've had them all blow up on me when I ran a software testing lab for about 5 years. Lenovo, Dell, and the occasional HP (That is whole story about them backing out on supplying us with laptops)

Some would run for years without fail. Just luck of the component lottery.

You left out Foxconn, they make a good chunk of Dell's stuff at least. And run their assembly facilities. (So they can put Assembled in the USA on them in the case of the US, though I think the first wave of desktops we got was from Mexico)
That may be the case today, but I still have Dells that are 10yrs+ on the same original power supply, and that's after unsupported upgrades too, like a x3220 and a 9500gt. Still running well...for now. But well past a design life of 3 years.
 
I used to custom build pc's for a small shop, do repairs, upgrades, all the standard pc shop stuff. I've been around this business and tinkering inside pc's with hardware and mods for 40 years. I've messed with everything from Apple II's to Mackintosh, Tandy to Via chipsets, Dos to Windows platforms and remember when an AT tower was a marvelous innovation from the desktop that the 15" 30lb CRT sat on. All that when the monitor power cable went to the psu as well.

Do ya think that possibly qualifies as someone who has seen it, been in it, and sold it?

So I guess you know where that 100% belongs, instead you tell me who builds HP mobo's. Oh, it's Asus mostly btw, who builds HP psus, oh, Seasonic, Delta, FSP, GreatWall.

And yes, Foxconn does build a good chunk of Dell mobo's, but Dell is oddball anyways in a lot of stuff, it's kind of model depending and Foxconn is a massive electronics Corp in its own right, has its nose everywhere.
The problem is you saw the industry when it was young and not what it is today. I saw all that too as I've been in PCs since 1988 and computers even longer.

My point is that in EVERY industry that has an aftermarket parts industry, even if it is the same oem making the aftermarket part, it's not the same part as the branded one--there ARE different qc specs. Hence why 'great value' bathroom cleaner is a great ripoff even when it costs almost as much as the real scrubbling bubbles brand--it's subpar. And this is for cars, computers, and a lot more in this world.
 

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Great Value is a brand too, happens to be Walmart house brand. But you still aren't right.

It's a matter of volume. Mass market stuff tends to be of lesser quality, or have a much higher failure % than limited production stuff, regardless of Brand or lack thereof.

The psus made for HP by Seasonic or Delta use the same components, same QC, same everything. Seasonic doesn't buy cheaper components just to put into an OEM psu, that's a ton of extra squ's, less discounts on bulk components etc, they come from the same bins. Seasonic doesn't do sloppy soldering or any less quality of manufacture, just because it's an OEM unit. The only difference is the platforms and circuits inside. You won't get the 80+ nor anything above atx standard protections but what circuitry is inside will have the same caps, same diodes, same resistors, same solder and wires etc.

FSP happens to have some poorly designed platforms, but many times the OEM spec'd platforms are considerably better than FSP branded. Same thing for many, like SuperFlower and HEC/Compucase.

Just because it's 'Branded' doesn't necessarily mean it's better.
FSP is OEM for BeQuiet, you tell me which is better, the Original or the Aftermarket.
 
We're not going to agree--you think you're right from your experience and I think I'm right from my experience.

I know manufacturing and dealing direct with them because that's what I did with auto parts and I recognize the exact same patterns in all other industries--it's the same. And you don't know manufacturing if you don't think a .005 cent part cost difference is worth changing stuff up over.

It's trivial to change the capacitor for a particular run of parts and then switch back if it saves thousands. Hell, the cheap crap brands are taking it to a whole new level by putting in quality parts to get their name out and then swapping to garbage parts once sales start even when the performance is not the same--this is technically bait and switch. But if these companies were selling these lesser parts under a different brand, coming off the same line, they would be considered 'aftermarket' parts. And generally this is how it happens and how it is done--with aftermarket parts usually inferior to the originals. The few exceptions I've run into this was by the company KYB in their struts for the 1995 Nissan Altima. KYB made the Nissan parts and the aftermarket, and there were 4 Nissan parts for each wheel based on the trim level, abs/non-abs, and transmission, and KYB's aftermarket was just one made to stronger specifications and with a lifetime warranty versus Nissan's normal 12k/1yr.

My dad worked as an automotive engineer at Ford and he told me that every single new model by every single manufacturer had two part numbers--the 'initial quality' one that got the car selling and then the 'secondary vendor' that they swapped over to once they started moving cars to make more profit--and this was in the 1970-1980s. It's still the same today in every industry, especially with the watch on the bottom line and automated manufacturing. Even Lenovo's own part system has this built into their part numbers, the original part number and the FRU or 'field replacement unit'. Technically these should be the same thing, but if there's a way to save costs on a part, the good companies track that with a change in the part number and Lenovo goes one step further by assigning it a different number from the start.

You can buy oem stuff all day long and think it's the same quality, but there's a reason why I went to the dealership to buy a new Honda radiator when I had a warehouse full of aftermarket parts--there IS a difference. And its the same reason why for a proprietary part like a custom oem power supply, I get it from the oem. Aside from ram, storage, and cpus/gpus, there's little that I would try to get direct from the oems for a branded custom designed system.
 
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I have a prebuilt (LENOVO IdeaCentre 510S-08IKL) with a gt 1030 lp but I want to upgrade it to a gtx 1050 ti. Can I change my PSU with no problems? If yes please recommend me a PSU for my system with at least 300 watts
 

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