Question i5: 11400 vs 11500 vs 11600

[dor_13]

For Intel Core i5:
11400 vs 11500 vs 11600
What is really the diff between these CPUs in terms of FPS ?

Assuming that I do office stuff, browser the web, play videos and some low-level gaming.
In the next half a year will probably buy a graphics card, probably 3060.

 

[Nighthawk117]

For Intel Core i5:
11400 vs 11500 vs 11600
What is really the diff between these CPUs in terms of FPS ?

Assuming that I do office stuff, browser the web, play videos and some low-level gaming.
In the next half a year will probably buy a graphics card, probably 3060.

You are probably looking at 10% tops going from the 11400 to the 11600 but at a significant jump in power consumption. The 11400 is the only one I would buy from those. Any reason why your looking at 11th gen as 12th gen is available?

For office and browsing the web it doesn't matter what CPU you have unless you do very advanced things in Excel with large datasets, every CPU in the stack will do that well. Define what you mean by low-level gaming, I wouldn't say a 3060 is 'low level'.

 

[Eximo]

11500 is the next step up in integrated graphics. I would probably go with that if you are going without a GPU for a while.

 

[dor_13]

You are probably looking at 10% tops going from the 11400 to the 11600 but at a significant jump in power consumption. The 11400 is the only one I would buy from those. Any reason why your looking at 11th gen as 12th gen is available?

I don't like the curve on the 12th gen CPUs and currently I don't want to make an effort to buy the CPU contact frame which will make it work better.
Anyway this PC is eventually aimed for the mid-gaming.

For office and browsing the web it doesn't matter what CPU you have unless you do very advanced things in Excel with large datasets, every CPU in the stack will do that well. Define what you mean by low-level gaming, I wouldn't say a 3060 is 'low level'.

Low level gaming is mostly free games which don't require much graphics..
such as Fall Guys, rocket league ... maybe Fortnite etc.

When I'll have 3060 (or something similar) then the PC will step up to mid-level gaming - which is my final goal.

11500 is the next step up in integrated graphics. I would probably go with that if you are going without a GPU for a while.

Would that really be necessary ? For just a little bit gaming of relatively low effort games

 

[Nighthawk117]

I don't like the curve on the 12th gen CPUs and currently I don't want to make an effort to buy the CPU contact frame which will make it work better.
Anyway this PC is eventually aimed for the mid-gaming.

Most people aren't using a contact frame, I wouldn't have thought this necessary for a 12400. You could always go AMD, they are also announcing new chips on the 29th of August. Can I ask how much you were planning to spend on the 11th gen i5?

 

[Bob.B]

For Intel Core i5:
11400 vs 11500 vs 11600
What is really the diff between these CPUs in terms of FPS ?

Assuming that I do office stuff, browser the web, play videos and some low-level gaming.
In the next half a year will probably buy a graphics card, probably 3060.

400>500.....small bump in cpu and igp power.
500>600.....small bump in cpu power.

Which one do you need?.......beats me.
I might just grab the one in the middle and move on.

 

[geofelt]

For your use, you could be happy with any one of them.
Until you realized what you missed...

I think you are missing the boat.
By not looking at 12th gen.

The architecture 12th gen architecture has been improved.
Here is a list of cpu-Z single thread bench ratings for a number of processors.
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/0gt9vb/1

Cooling needs are minimal and there is no issue with bending the cpu die. The i5-12400 costs less than the 11500, runs faster, has the same 65w tdp as well as the same HD730 graphics.
Cores/threads are the same.
The single thread performance is much better. 700 vs. 600

 

[dor_13]

Most people aren't using a contact frame, I wouldn't have thought this necessary for a 12400. You could always go AMD, they are also announcing new chips on the 29th of August. Can I ask how much you were planning to spend on the 11th gen i5?

These are the prices which are available to me (where I live):

11400F: 180 USD
11400: 213 USD
11500: 235 USD
12400: 224 USD
12500: 258 USD

All are Tray (not Box).

The corresponding motherboard:

For Intel 11th gen:
Gigabyte Z590 AORUS ELITE AX: 270 USD

For Intel 12th gen:
Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE AX: 372 USD

I'm still thinking about changes though.

For your use, you could be happy with any one of them.
Until you realized what you missed...

I think you are missing the boat.
By not looking at 12th gen.

The architecture 12th gen architecture has been improved.
Here is a list of cpu-Z single thread bench ratings for a number of processors.
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/0gt9vb/1

Cooling needs are minimal and there is no issue with bending the cpu die. The i5-12400 costs less than the 11500, runs faster, has the same 65w tdp as well as the same HD730 graphics.
Cores/threads are the same.
The single thread performance is much better. 700 vs. 600

Yeah, I'm aware of the pricing (where I live):

11400F: 180 USD
11400: 213 USD
11500: 235 USD
12400: 224 USD
12500: 258 USD

All are Tray (not Box).

The corresponding motherboard:

For Intel 11th gen:
Gigabyte Z590 AORUS ELITE AX: 270 USD

For Intel 12th gen:
Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE AX: 372 USD


BUT, every gen there is some improvement, obviously.
For my current needs, I don't think that "upgrading" to 12gen would be needed.
Would the improvement really be worth it?
If I buy the 12 gen, I'll have to buy also a 70 USD CPU Contact frame of Thermal Grizzly, because there is an issue with the CPU bending, try to search "intel 12th gen cpu contact bending", it is a very known issue with the 12gen.

Bottom line, with the 12gen probably I'll have 150 FPS instead of 130 FPS ?
Anyway I don't suppose that the CPU would bottleneck in 4K@60Hz gaming (I prefer to invest in GPU instead.)

So, overall my calculations provide me the proper fit to my needs.

 

[Nighthawk117]

If it were me I would get the 12400, I wouldn't bother with a contact frame personally. If it were to really bother you then the 11th gen i5 is a perfectly capable gaming CPU. The FPS gains would typically be in the 15% region you have there for the 12th gen, some games it will be less, others slightly more.

I love a good board but is there a particular reason you want the Z boards, or are they just what is available?

 

[geofelt]

Note that if you are planning on using integrated graphics, the F suffix models do not have integrated graphics.

Then, also, the tray models do not come with a cooler like the boxed versions do. You will have to add a cooler to your budget.

There is no need or value for Z690 based motherboards.
Z690 allows cpu overclocking which none of your cpu candidates can do.
B660 based motherboards are cheaper, particularly the MATX size.
Here is what the different chipsets can do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1700
H610 bases will be the very cheapest. Pick B660 if you can.

Lastly, the impact of cpu performance on game FPS depends on the game. Some games are cpu limited like sims, mmo and strategy games.
Others will be graphics card limited like fast action shooters.
A strong single threaded processor will show up not so much on average fps, but the minimums which you will notice more.

 

[Nighthawk117]

Even for an 11400, if running with power limits disabled he will need a much better cooler than the stock cooler.

 

[geofelt]

Here is a review of the 11400 that compares results with a stock cooler and a $200 aio cooler:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5-11400-review/4

I see the stock 11400 as very adequate.
Yes, faster ram and a strong cooler can get you more.
But, is that a worth while place to spend your budget?
I suspect that a basic tower type air cooler with a 120mm fan would gain you most of the benefits.

 

[dor_13]

If it were me I would get the 12400, I wouldn't bother with a contact frame personally. If it were to really bother you then the 11th gen i5 is a perfectly capable gaming CPU. The FPS gains would typically be in the 15% region you have there for the 12th gen, some games it will be less, others slightly more.

I love a good board but is there a particular reason you want the Z boards, or are they just what is available?

In an experiment that was done, they found out that a different CPU Contact frame lowers CPU temp by about 10 degrees (obviously also depends on the CPU cooler).
I find that very appealing, so I wouldn't want the bending.

The MB has plenty of features that I want, so it is a very good fit for my needs.

Note that if you are planning on using integrated graphics, the F suffix models do not have integrated graphics.

Then, also, the tray models do not come with a cooler like the boxed versions do. You will have to add a cooler to your budget.

There is no need or value for Z690 based motherboards.
Z690 allows cpu overclocking which none of your cpu candidates can do.
B660 based motherboards are cheaper, particularly the MATX size.
Here is what the different chipsets can do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1700
H610 bases will be the very cheapest. Pick B660 if you can.

Lastly, the impact of cpu performance on game FPS depends on the game. Some games are cpu limited like sims, mmo and strategy games.
Others will be graphics card limited like fast action shooters.
A strong single threaded processor will show up not so much on average fps, but the minimums which you will notice more.

I'll be using the integrated garphics for the initial time.
Anyway, I will use them as a backup, so having integrated graphics is important for me as well.

B660 is for 12th gen, but I take 11th gen.
If you mean B560, then that is also a nice fit, though I'm happy with my choice.
The price diff is 26 USD between the motherboards.

I understand.. about a year ago 11th gen was very advances and was sufficient to many people
I'll take that for now...
I've seen some benchmarks which shows that it has the needed FPS.

Even for an 11400, if running with power limits disabled he will need a much better cooler than the stock cooler.

Sure, I always take a good CPU Cooler.

Here is a review of the 11400 that compares results with a stock cooler and a $200 aio cooler:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5-11400-review/4

I see the stock 11400 as very adequate.
Yes, faster ram and a strong cooler can get you more.
But, is that a worth while place to spend your budget?
I suspect that a basic tower type air cooler with a 120mm fan would gain you most of the benefits.

I missed that review, thanks!
I also got a good CPU cooler 👍

 

[geofelt]

You asked for opinions.
Mine is that the 12th gen is so much better than 11th.
For example, here is a review of the I3-12100:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i3-12100-12100f-review/5
I do not know your budget circumstances.
---- I am done---

 

[Nighthawk117]

In an experiment that was done, they found out that a different CPU Contact frame lowers CPU temp by about 10 degrees (obviously also depends on the CPU cooler).
I find that very appealing, so I wouldn't want the bending.

The MB has plenty of features that I want, so it is a very good fit for my needs.

Bendygate isn't particularly reassuring but it doesn't sound like it's overly serious. The temperature difference seems to vary quite widely depending on the CPU and how bendy it is.

Fair enough on the board, it just seemed a lot that was all. It should cope with that CPU pretty easily though and run quite cool.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Here's a comparison, but with an 11700 in the mix. You can extrapolate the difference: i5 11400 vs i5 11600k vs i7 11700k - YouTube

There isn't much between those CPU's.

Of course, with a K version, you can overclock them with the right mobo, which will yeild maybe another 2-5% in terms of FPS. Keeping in mind though, at such high FPS/HZ anyway, the difference is not noticeable to the human eye.