Question i5 13600k vs ryzen 7 7700x?

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which one at its current price (7700x going for $299 in this case) is better value for just gaming? I already have a system with the 7700x, but I want to know whether I made the right choice, but even if the i5 significantly outperforms it I can't afford to upgrade as I just bought the system 3 months ago.
 
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Order 66 said:
I am (assuming) the 7700x takes the lead when overclocked, what about power consumption differences?
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When using PBO, the 7700X is faster than the stock 13600k by about 5% on average in gaming. However, when both are overclocked the 13600k is about 3% faster than the 7700X on average in gaming. Realize that you will not notice any difference in performance when it is less than at least 10%.

Max power consumption does favor the 7700X by a wide margin. In AVX y-cruncher the 13600k uses 28% more power than the 7700X in multi-threaded benchmarks, however, in single threaded they are the same. Other tasks like Handbrake and Blender, both multi-threaded, show that the 7700X draws less power as well. In those tests the 13600k is slightly faster than the 7700X but it is using up to 65% more power to get 5% better performance. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-13900k-i5-13600k-cpu-review/4
 
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jeremyj_83 said:
When using PBO, the 7700X is faster than the stock 13600k by about 5% on average in gaming. However, when both are overclocked the 13600k is about 3% faster than the 7700X on average in gaming. Realize that you will not notice any difference in performance when it is less than at least 10%.

Max power consumption does favor the 7700X by a wide margin. In AVX y-cruncher the 13600k uses 28% more power than the 7700X in multi-threaded benchmarks, however, in single threaded they are the same. Other tasks like Handbrake and Blender, both multi-threaded, show that the 7700X draws less power as well. In those tests the 13600k is slightly faster than the 7700X but it is using up to 65% more power to get 5% better performance. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-13900k-i5-13600k-cpu-review/4
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The 7700x is fast enough for me, any faster would just be chasing benchmark scores. The 7700x already is constrained by my 6800 (somehow) at 1080p. The lower power consumption is a nice bonus.
 
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Order 66 said:
The 7700x is fast enough for me, any faster would just be chasing benchmark scores. The 7700x already is constrained by my 6800 (somehow) at 1080p. The lower power consumption is a nice bonus.
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Realistically there is minimal difference between the 7700x and the 13600k in benchmarks. The biggest is in productivity where the difference is still less than 10% on average. However, the difference in power consumption is quite large. That means that the 13600k has to burn more energy in order to get that slightly higher performance. Anandtech did a test of a 7950X and 13900k a while back and limited them to different TDP/PPT levels. Basically across the board the 13900k needed a TDP of 105W or 125W to be faster than the 7950X with a 65W TDP/88W PPT. However, after 105W TDP the 7950X didn't really increase much in performance going to the 170W TDP. Whereas the Intel kept having decent performance gains going to higher power levels. However, Intel did need higher power levels to compete in absolute performance. https://www.anandtech.com/show/17641/lighter-touch-cpu-power-scaling-13900k-7950x/2
 
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Order 66 said:
true, just wanted to know if I should regret my choice.
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Not in the slightest, especially not since AM5 has a CPU upgrade path that will be supported until 2026 or so. In the next couple of years if your 7700X no longer gives you enough performance you should be able to upgrade to a more powerful CPU. LGA 1700 is already EOL and won't be supported past the upcoming "14th" gen which is mostly a minor refresh over the 13th gen. They're throwing in some more efficiency cores, but the rest of the performance increase is basically an overclock.
 
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The power difference is only there if you run the intel CPU without any power limit (so basically overclocked)

Here you can see that in a decent array of multi workloads the 13600k averages 7% faster when both run at 142W
The 13600k is still 5% faster when using 125W compared to the 142W of the 7700x
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Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K & i5-13600K: Gaming-Könige im Test: Leistungsaufnahme und Effizienz

Intel Raptor Lake im Test: Leistungsaufnahme und Effizienz / Leistungsaufnahme in Anwendungen ab Werk / Der Verbrauch steigt
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Order 66 said:
which one at its current price (7700x going for $299 in this case) is better value for just gaming? I already have a system with the 7700x, but I want to know whether I made the right choice, but even if the i5 significantly outperforms it I can't afford to upgrade as I just bought the system 3 months ago.
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Value wise, neither of them, you could have gotten the same performance with a cheapper CPU.

Im saying this because of your current GPU, the RX 6800.

Don't regret your choice, you got a very good system. If you like gaming, do it, enjoy it and have fun. Thats the only thing thats really matters.
Benchmarks are out there to show, in most if not all cases, the best perfomance achievable under the right conditions (including regulated temperature and humidity).
So Unless you can copy the exact same systema nd conditions from the benchmark you pick, then theres no point going crazy between one or the other.
 
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RodroX said:
Value wise, neither of them, you could have gotten the same performance with a cheapper CPU.

Im saying this because of your current GPU, the RX 6800.

Don't regret your choice, you got a very good system. If you like gaming, do it, enjoy it and have fun. Thats the only thing thats really matters.
Benchmarks are out there to show, in most if not all cases, the best perfomance achievable under the right conditions (including regulated temperature and humidity).
So Unless you can copy the exact same systema nd conditions from the benchmark you pick, then theres no point going crazy between one or the other.
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You are correct, However, I play a little-known game called Beamng.Drive which is very CPU intensive.
 
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RodroX said:
I see, I haven't played that one yet, I enjoy ETS2, ATS and Snowrunner too much :) .
In any case I do not believe (have no proof sadly) that there should be much difference in any case. Not between those amazing CPUs 7700X and 13600K.
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I have yet to make the 7700x struggle without intentionally going out of my way to make it struggle. I can have multiple games open (usually a somewhat intensive game and something like Roblox or Minecraft) and it chews through it with ease. strangely Roblox does rendering on the CPU, not the GPU. (AFAIK) now that I think about it, I wonder how many browser tabs I could open with the 7700x and 32gb of RAM?
 
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Order 66 said:
I have yet to make the 7700x struggle without intentionally going out of my way to make it struggle. I can have multiple games open (usually a somewhat intensive game and something like Roblox or Minecraft) and it chews through it with ease. strangely Roblox does rendering on the CPU, not the GPU. (AFAIK) now that I think about it, I wonder how many browser tabs I could open with the 7700x and 32gb of RAM?
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You would run into a RAM issue before CPU issue for tabs. I'm running an i7-4770K and have had 30 tabs open before and the CPU wasn't really stressed but the RAM usage was getting up there.
 
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RodroX said:
Value wise, neither of them, you could have gotten the same performance with a cheapper CPU.

Im saying this because of your current GPU, the RX 6800.

Don't regret your choice, you got a very good system. If you like gaming, do it, enjoy it and have fun. Thats the only thing thats really matters.
Benchmarks are out there to show, in most if not all cases, the best perfomance achievable under the right conditions (including regulated temperature and humidity).
So Unless you can copy the exact same systema nd conditions from the benchmark you pick, then theres no point going crazy between one or the other.
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Now I am curious and apologies semi hijacking this thread. I am upgrading my system going from an old 1080 to a gifted RX 6880XT. I was planning on getting a 7700X but after reading your comment on the same performance/cheaper CPU due to the RX6800 I am wondering if I am making the wrong choice. I really am only making the upgrade because I am being gifted the RX6800 but with my current system being so old it requires new proc, mobo and RAM :)

I had in mind a 7700X, a X670E Pro, 64GB of Corsair Vengeance 6000/CL30 RAM + the RX6800 XT
 
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cwburns32 said:
Now I am curious and apologies semi hijacking this thread. I am upgrading my system going from an old 1080 to a gifted RX 6880XT. I was planning on getting a 7700X but after reading your comment on the same performance/cheaper CPU due to the RX6800 I am wondering if I am making the wrong choice. I really am only making the upgrade because I am being gifted the RX6800 but with my current system being so old it requires new proc, mobo and RAM :)

I had in mind a 7700X, a X670E Pro, 64GB of Corsair Vengeance 6000/CL30 RAM + the RX6800 XT
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I'm not exactly sure how old is you system, or for the same matter what kind of CPU does it have.
Old technology in many places of our big wide world may have different considerations. Where I live my current PC is considered current, new and powerfull tech, cause most people can not even afford a +3 year old Core i3 10100.

So your question may have a few posible answers. The only thing I can do is make you a few question:
1. Does the old system support the RX 6800 XT? If the answer is not, then you need a new system.
2. Will your current CPU + Display resolution and game settings going to limit the RX 6800XT? Then you need a new CPU+Mobo and probably RAM.
3. Will you take advantage of the Ryzen 7 7700X, other than gaming?
4. Are the 13600k or the Ryzen 5 7600X (or the likes) cheapper than a R7 7700X where you live?

The other thing I can do is give you my example. I own a R5 3600 and 5600G, I use and tried both cpus with a RTX 2070 on a 1440p display + Ultra/High game settings (I don't really care about FPS, I want my games to look the best they can, as long as I get around 60 FPS). If I were to get a free RX 6800XT and because I am already getting 60 FPS in all the games I like and enjoy playing I would not even think about changing cpu+mobo+ram. Thats my particular scene, I do not know yours.
 
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RodroX said:
I'm not exactly sure how old is you system, or for the same matter what kind of CPU does it have.
Old technology in many places of our big wide world may have different considerations. Where I live my current PC is considered current, new and powerfull tech, cause most people can not even afford a +3 year old Core i3 10100.

So your question may have a few posible answers. The only thing I can do is make you a few question:
1. Does the old system support the RX 6800 XT? If the answer is not, then you need a new system.
2. Will your current CPU + Display resolution and game settings going to limit the RX 6800XT? Then you need a new CPU+Mobo and probably RAM.
3. Will you take advantage of the Ryzen 7 7700X, other than gaming?
4. Are the 13600k or the Ryzen 5 7600X (or the likes) cheapper than a R7 7700X where you live?

The other thing I can do is give you my example. I own a R5 3600 and 5600G, I use and tried both cpus with a RTX 2070 on a 1440p display + Ultra/High game settings (I don't really care about FPS, I want my games to look the best they can, as long as I get around 60 FPS). If I were to get a free RX 6800XT and because I am already getting 60 FPS in all the games I like and enjoy playing I would not even think about changing cpu+mobo+ram. Thats my particular scene, I do not know yours.
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Shortly after I posted this I thought it would be best to just start a new thread. https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/being-gifted-a-6800xt-upgrade-suggestions.3822348/

For games I play 60 FPS is just fine. I mostly play League of Legends (casually), Starcraft 2 and Cities Skylines, and eventually Cities Skylines 2. I will definitely need a new system, mobo, CPU, RAM, etc. I doubt I will take advantage of the R77700X outside of gaming but currently it's just $75 more than a R5 7600X where I live.
 
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