i5 2500 vs. i5 35**

[Nino Klajnsek]

So i'm buying new components and i'm set on MSI Z77A G13(120€), ddr3 8gb 1600ghz Corsair Vengeance CL11(75€D) and not yet set on the cpu. So my computer guy said i5 2500 and at home i looked at the i5 3550 (i think) that has like the same price, It's just ivy bridge not like the 2500 (sandy). And i'mw ondering what the difference is and what you guys suggest. I'm not necessarily thinking of overclocking. But maybe one day if i will i will buy different cooling. (just not right now). I this makes any sense, thanks.

 

[smorizio]

The ib CPU is a refresh of sb mcpu and for these price is about 10 percent faster. See what the new haswell CPU and mb price out. Again there slightly faster then the older ib. So if there 30 or 40 more then ib then it not worth it.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

IB is slightly faster than SB at stock speeds, but the SB overclocks waaaay better than IB and IB OC's better than Haswell. IB and SB use socket 1155 which is now a dead end with Haswell using a new socket

 

[JackNaylorPE]

MoBo / CPU combo deals could very well determine which makes the most sense from a cost perspective. I have seen -$100 discounts on Haswell MoBo / CPU combos with Asus and MSI boards so far since Haswell's release.

 

[Nino Klajnsek]

IB is slightly faster than SB at stock speeds, but the SB overclocks waaaay better than IB and IB OC's better than Haswell. IB and SB use socket 1155 which is now a dead end with Haswell using a new socket

So what do you suggest, IB or SB? Because atm i don't need more then the i5 2500 has to offer, or do i? for games and watching streams while playing and stuff. So i think the 2500 i can OC when it get's rusty in 1,5years? does this make sense?

 

[dextermat]

Hi,

core i5-2500k hand down, IVY is about 5-10 % faster but in a few years you can overclock 2500k easy at nice speed.
Plus it becoming rarer.

Or wait for after haswell because it not doing the job as well as SB and IV Y.

 

[Nino Klajnsek]

Hi,

core i5-2500k hand down, IVY is about 5-10 % faster but in a few years you can overclock 2500k easy at nice speed.
Plus it becoming rarer.

Or wait for after haswell because it not doing the job as well as SB and IV Y.

Thanks. I will probably buy the 2500 now. I didn't even know about the haswell microarc
itecture.

 

[Nino Klajnsek]

Hi,

core i5-2500k hand down, IVY is about 5-10 % faster but in a few years you can overclock 2500k easy at nice speed.
Plus it becoming rarer.

Or wait for after haswell because it not doing the job as well as SB and IV Y.

Thanks. I will probably buy the 2500 now. I didn't even know about the haswell microarc
itecture.

 

[RetiredChief]

It should not be about the SB/IB/Haswell CPU!!
as obove posts have pointed out, NOT that big of CPU performance increase, and that is often decreased by the fact that say SM overclocks easier than IB. Remember this 10% diff is only for the CPU and translates t much less when looking at SYSTEM performance difference.

A bigger issue is in what MB changes between the 3 bring to the table. My last three upgrades were more about MB improvements than cpu (E6400 @3.2->i5-750-> i5-2500K@4.2).

Look at Number of Sata III slots, usb3 Availability, pci-e lanes available. SB<IB<Haswell Remember 3rd party "add-on" controllers are NOT as good as native - ie 3rd party USB and Sata III controllrs on IB are NOT the best!.

For this reason, NOT CPU performance, I'd opt for the Haswell plateform.

 

[Nino Klajnsek]

It should not be about the SB/IB/Haswell CPU!!
as obove posts have pointed out, NOT that big of CPU performance increase, and that is often decreased by the fact that say SM overclocks easier than IB. Remember this 10% diff is only for the CPU and translates t much less when looking at SYSTEM performance difference.

A bigger issue is in what MB changes between the 3 bring to the table. My last three upgrades were more about MB improvements than cpu (E6400 @3.2->i5-750-> i5-2500K@4.2).

Look at Number of Sata III slots, usb3 Availability, pci-e lanes available. SB<IB<Haswell Remember 3rd party "add-on" controllers are NOT as good as native - ie 3rd party USB and Sata III controllrs on IB are NOT the best!.

For this reason, NOT CPU performance, I'd opt for the Haswell plateform.

I didn't understand half of it, i'm sorry :s I'm now thinking going for the 3570 because i don't have to deal with oc-ing.

 

[RetiredChief]

Will try to explain better:
First - Most differences will not initially affect you, However they can be important later on. Much more important than CPU performance and even Overclocking a CPU. For instants in real life a more noticable SYSTEM performance boost can be obtained by simply switching from a HDD-> a SSD than Overclocking a cpu to 4.2/4.6 GHz.

I've compared the features of two Low cost MSI MBs (Z77 vs Z87).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519&IsNodeId=1&Description=msi%20z77&bop=And&CompareItemList=%2D1%7C19%2D115%2D072%5E19%2D115%2D072%2D02%23%2C13%2D130%2D645%5E13%2D130%2D645%2DTS%2C13%2D130%2D693%5E13%2D130%2D693%2DTS&percm=13%2D130%2D645%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B13%2D130%2D693%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24

SATA III Z77 = 4 Sata II ports + 2 SATA III ports Z87 = 6 Sata III ports.
NON issue if only using 1 or two HDDs NOTE Very little difference in using a SATA III HDD on sata II vs Sata III. HOWEVER, this could be Much more important in the near future as (A) SATA III SSDs become cheaper and (B) The Move to Hybred HDDs that utilize a internal SATA III SSD.
Added -
The Intel chipset (for hard drives) on the Z87 is improved over the Z77 chipset - Only effects SATA III SSD performance
End added.

USB support. Z77 = 4 USB2 + 2 USB3 vs Z87 with 2 USB2 + 4 USB3 ports.

PCI-e: Z77 = 2 x16 vsZ87 with 3 X16.
Caution generally with Z77 you DO NOT get to use 2 X 16, is it is really a X16 + x0 and when Both slots are used it often becomes a X8 + X8. Only reallly has an effect if you use more than one of the X16 slots - IE Downstream you want to improve gaming FPS by adding a 2nd GPU in xfire/sli configuration.

[/b]HDMI IN:[/b] Note while this has been added to Haswell, it is not incorporated on the cheaper MSI MB. ONLY would appeal to someone that would want to use their computer as a DVR

Two other diff, but probably not much effect:
Audio in: The Z77 uses a ALV 892 while the Z87 uses a ALC1150 - Unknown if that is a improvement in audio.
Lan In: Z77 uses a Realtek 8111E, Z87 a Qualcom Killer E2205.
Both have them same specs, Not real issue as Lan speed is going to be dictated By your Internet provider.

All to often we talk abut CPU performance differences and neglect the "side" issues. I it were not for the above difference I would recomment the SB. I have a i5-2500K and the ONLY reason (an I have not made up my mind) would be for the MB advancements and NOT for the SMALL differences in CPU performance.

 

[Nino Klajnsek]

Will try to explain better:
First - Most differences will not initially affect you, However they can be important later on. Much more important than CPU performance and even Overclocking a CPU. For instants in real life a more noticable SYSTEM performance boost can be obtained by simply switching from a HDD-> a SSD than Overclocking a cpu to 4.2/4.6 GHz.

I've compared the features of two Low cost MSI MBs (Z77 vs Z87).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519&IsNodeId=1&Description=msi%20z77&bop=And&CompareItemList=%2D1%7C19%2D115%2D072%5E19%2D115%2D072%2D02%23%2C13%2D130%2D645%5E13%2D130%2D645%2DTS%2C13%2D130%2D693%5E13%2D130%2D693%2DTS&percm=13%2D130%2D645%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B13%2D130%2D693%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24

SATA III Z77 = 4 Sata II ports + 2 SATA III ports Z87 = 6 Sata III ports.
NON issue if only using 1 or two HDDs NOTE Very little difference in using a SATA III HDD on sata II vs Sata III. HOWEVER, this could be Much more important in the near future as (A) SATA III SSDs become cheaper and (B) The Move to Hybred HDDs that utilize a internal SATA III SSD.
Added -
The Intel chipset (for hard drives) on the Z87 is improved over the Z77 chipset - Only effects SATA III SSD performance
End added.

USB support. Z77 = 4 USB2 + 2 USB3 vs Z87 with 2 USB2 + 4 USB3 ports.

PCI-e: Z77 = 2 x16 vsZ87 with 3 X16.
Caution generally with Z77 you DO NOT get to use 2 X 16, is it is really a X16 + x0 and when Both slots are used it often becomes a X8 + X8. Only reallly has an effect if you use more than one of the X16 slots - IE Downstream you want to improve gaming FPS by adding a 2nd GPU in xfire/sli configuration.

[/b]HDMI IN:[/b] Note while this has been added to Haswell, it is not incorporated on the cheaper MSI MB. ONLY would appeal to someone that would want to use their computer as a DVR

Two other diff, but probably not much effect:
Audio in: The Z77 uses a ALV 892 while the Z87 uses a ALC1150 - Unknown if that is a improvement in audio.
Lan In: Z77 uses a Realtek 8111E, Z87 a Qualcom Killer E2205.
Both have them same specs, Not real issue as Lan speed is going to be dictated By your Internet provider.

All to often we talk abut CPU performance differences and neglect the "side" issues. I it were not for the above difference I would recomment the SB. I have a i5-2500K and the ONLY reason (an I have not made up my mind) would be for the MB advancements and NOT for the SMALL differences in CPU performance.

Thanks for the explanation. Yeah but you already have an 2500, it would be stupid for you to upgrade for a little or none difference to 3570. But for me it's like why not go for the IB. Welp, so many guys try to help and so many different anwsers and preferences :s.

 

[RetiredChief]

Having the SB, you're correct the IV upgrade is really not worth it for me.
I tried to fram my response interms of a new build, should it be SB(w/IB MB), IB, or Haswell.
Coming from scratch I'd go with Haswell - to me a no-brainer, NOT because of the CPU, but because of the MB platform. Face it There i just not that big of a diff in SB->IB->even Haswell CPU.
In my case, Yes I'm considering the upgrade to Haswell, NOT from a CPU issue - But because of the advantages offered by upgrading the MB

What you need to weigh, is what is the cost diff vs the increased MB capabilities.

 

[Nino Klajnsek]

Having the SB, you're correct the IV upgrade is really not worth it for me.
I tried to fram my response interms of a new build, should it be SB(w/IB MB), IB, or Haswell.
Coming from scratch I'd go with Haswell - to me a no-brainer, NOT because of the CPU, but because of the MB platform. Face it There i just not that big of a diff in SB->IB->even Haswell CPU.
In my case, Yes I'm considering the upgrade to Haswell, NOT from a CPU issue - But because of the advantages offered by upgrading the MB

What you need to weigh, is what is the cost diff vs the increased MB capabilities.

But the question is what would you suggest me. The RAM and the MB are set. and i'm not that big into OC-ing so i guess is hould go for the i53570, because i can't spend too much money on it.