i5 4690 (not K) high idle temperatures (45-50)? Help!

[alan.jandrecic]

Hi guys!

I have H97 Pro, i5 4690 (not K), MSI GTX 1060 6G, 16 GB DDR 3 (1600 with xmp), 128 GB SSD, 1 TB WB Black, 4k 28 inch monitor DELL, and 700 w Foltron Hyperx power supply. My PC is about 3 years old, graphic card is one month old like the monitor too. All other things are old few years.

So, I don't know if that is a problem or not, but I wanted to clean my pc, specially my PC and stock fan for Intel because it was dusty like hell. My case is Zalman R1, one Corsair AF120 on top, one rear, and two original Zalmans from case in front for intake. I want to fully upgrade all fans, and put SP120 Corsair in front and one AF120 for top exhaust. So, 2 intakes and 3 exhausts.

I bought MX-4 thermal compund. First, I cleaned old thermal from intel one, cleaned fan and then applied new paste. And there is a problem. I don't know if I had these temperatures before but my idle temperatures are 45-50, CPU 0-1 utilization. No processes, nothing.

(i put 3 min stress test via cpu-z)

When I bought 16 GB rams, 2x8 one year ago, I need to apply XMP profile and then in BIOS, Asus state that my all cores etc. will auto something for overclock, I said yes. And then my clocks are always on 3899, on idle and full load. I don't know what to do to put temperaturs on idle down. Is my cooler on CPU garbage, did i mess something with my clock or what? My power plan is Ultimate perfomance mode, Win 10 Pro. I don't have any problems with gaming, or overheating.

Someone, please help. Thank you!

 

[alth0triplemadang]

What cooler are you using now
Stock intel cooler or some aftermarket cooler?
What is your average room temp?

you might want to replace/upgrade your current CPU cooler to bigger, and better ones.

 

[alan.jandrecic]

Stock cooler, Intel. I live in Croatia, it's summer, so about 25c is room temperature etc. I don't know to replace for a new cooler because this processor is not K, so dunno.

I made some interesting conclusions a few min ago. I went into Bios, load default and start up computer. Go into Bios again, and manually perform a clock, and didn't apply sync all cores, I put it on auto. And my idle temperatures are 35-39. So, i think that was a problem because if I put on Sync all cores, I again have 45-50 idle, open a chrome or watching Youtube, 50-55.

So, is good to put on non K processor sync all cores or leave it on auto?

 

[theonerm2]

Sync all cores would be taking your highest turbo clock speed and applying it across all cores. While you technically shouldn't be able to overclock these non-K CPU's you can actually set all cores to the maximum turbo boost which is what you have done. That's an overclock. That's why it was running hotter. your cooler doesn't really allow much headroom for overclocking but I think you should be fine. I didn't see any scary high temperatures and even if your CPU does hit 100c no worries. It wouldn't damage your CPU but you'll want to get better cooling if that ever happens.

 

[ElectrO_90]

Any decent after market cooler would help you. Something from abou 30 euros up
ps sorry about the world cup

 

[Karadjgne]

You've got several things going on.

First, no need for 3x exhaust fans, unless it's done for noise and you have the curves lowered. With more exhaust than input, you create a dust magnet inside the pc as the exhausts will pull air from the back of the pc too where air is unfiltered. So raise the intake fans speeds and lower the exhaust speeds to balance that out. Makes cleaning far easier.

You are using Asus BCLK genie, that's going to automatically bump up cpu speeds, voltages, current and thats going to raise temps across the board. For any OC whatsoever, you need something better than the stock cooler, should be looking at coolers with a minimum of @140w ability. This'll include 120mm liquid coolers and most 120mm air coolers with some 92mm coolers. But do the research on several choices as many of the cheap budget coolers are no better than the stock Intel in ability. You'll also need to make sure that they fit, you only have 160mm clearance to play with.

 

[alth0triplemadang]

Stock cooler, Intel. I live in Croatia, it's summer, so about 25c is room temperature etc. I don't know to replace for a new cooler because this processor is not K, so dunno.

I made some interesting conclusions a few min ago. I went into Bios, load default and start up computer. Go into Bios again, and manually perform a clock, and didn't apply sync all cores, I put it on auto. And my idle temperatures are 35-39. So, i think that was a problem because if I put on Sync all cores, I again have 45-50 idle, open a chrome or watching Youtube, 50-55.

So, is good to put on non K processor sync all cores or leave it on auto?

Remove the BCLK OC. Leave it on stock.
It's very, very good and safe.

 

[alan.jandrecic]

First of all, thanks to all for replies. I appreciate it!

So, you all sugest that I buy a better cooler for my CPU? Well, I think that is the only way to fix this if I want to lower a temp. Computer is doing fine, no problems with gaming, or etc. Everything is fine. All I want is to lower a temp for a bit.

Remove the BCLK OC. Leave it on stock.
It's very, very good and safe.

You mean on Auto? Will I lose in perfomance or If I leave on Sync all cores, will this damage my computer or not? This is about 2 years with this setup.

 

[Karadjgne]

No. It won't damage the pc. Your cpu by design @30% loads will bump up from base speed to turbo. This is basically a motherboard supported actory overclock allowed by Intel. The difference is that with factory settings, the first core will be at max turbo speeds, and successive cores will be slightly slower, so by the time you get all 4 cores going, they are sitting @300MHz slower than just the 1 core turbo. This is to accommodate heat buildup. By locking all the cores, you bypass the lowered settings and run all cores at the locked speed. This can be higher than 4 core turbo or lower than 1 core turbo as you don't have an overclockable pc. That's at a BCLK (buss clock) of 100, which is factory normal speeds. When you add stuff like OC Genie, you are bumping the buss clock, which is slightly different than the cpu multiplier. Your cpu has a locked cpu multiplier, it'll only go as high as max turbo. Buss clock is a multiplier as well, so cpu of 40 x BCLK of 100 = 4000MHz or 4.0GHz. A cpu of 40 x BCLK of 103.7 = 4148MHz. That achieves an overclock bypassing the cpu multiplier. However, it's a buss feed, and affects other things also on that buss, can be ram, hdd transmission speeds, definitely adds heat and needs higher voltages which adds more heat. Which the cpu cooler may or may not be able to handle, or maintain stability.

BCLK OC on Intel cpu's is not really advised, if you wanted OC, should have bought OC capable mobo/cpu. It can and does at times create issues of instability, heat problems etc that a pc user isn't thinking about.

With as strong as Intel cpu's are currently, there'll be no discernable difference in games from backing down the Auto OC, but as you found out, there is a discernable heat difference and it only gets worse the harder the cpu is pushed, so anything close to 100% loads is going to be realistically over 100% heat output.

 

[alan.jandrecic]

No. It won't damage the pc. Your cpu by design @30% loads will bump up from base speed to turbo. This is basically a motherboard supported actory overclock allowed by Intel. The difference is that with factory settings, the first core will be at max turbo speeds, and successive cores will be slightly slower, so by the time you get all 4 cores going, they are sitting @300MHz slower than just the 1 core turbo. This is to accommodate heat buildup. By locking all the cores, you bypass the lowered settings and run all cores at the locked speed. This can be higher than 4 core turbo or lower than 1 core turbo as you don't have an overclockable pc. That's at a BCLK (buss clock) of 100, which is factory normal speeds. When you add stuff like OC Genie, you are bumping the buss clock, which is slightly different than the cpu multiplier. Your cpu has a locked cpu multiplier, it'll only go as high as max turbo. Buss clock is a multiplier as well, so cpu of 40 x BCLK of 100 = 4000MHz or 4.0GHz. A cpu of 40 x BCLK of 103.7 = 4148MHz. That achieves an overclock bypassing the cpu multiplier. However, it's a buss feed, and affects other things also on that buss, can be ram, hdd transmission speeds, definitely adds heat and needs higher voltages which adds more heat. Which the cpu cooler may or may not be able to handle, or maintain stability.

BCLK OC on Intel cpu's is not really advised, if you wanted OC, should have bought OC capable mobo/cpu. It can and does at times create issues of instability, heat problems etc that a pc user isn't thinking about.

With as strong as Intel cpu's are currently, there'll be no discernable difference in games from backing down the Auto OC, but as you found out, there is a discernable heat difference and it only gets worse the harder the cpu is pushed, so anything close to 100% loads is going to be realistically over 100% heat output.

Thank you for a reply. You just clear some things in my head, hehe. Still, I just have one more question and that's all. So, you suggest that I put on Auto OC and I will not lose in any performance at all?

I love gaming, a lot, but I didn't think that this CPU is not for overclock. Later, a few years ago I learn that CPU's with K are meant for pushing, overclock etc. Well, for next time I will now for sure.

 

[tyr_antilles]

Looking at your first post, it looks like when you applied the XMP profile, this deactivated the power saving states of your CPU. That's why the clocks are always on 3899, and that's why you see 45-50 C on idle. You can take a look in the BIOS or UEFI (or have someone with BIOS knowledge do it) and set your CPU settings right.

https://www.pcgamer.com/ultimate-bios-guide-every-setting-decrypted-and-explained/4/

 

[alth0triplemadang]

No. It won't damage the pc. Your cpu by design @30% loads will bump up from base speed to turbo. This is basically a motherboard supported actory overclock allowed by Intel. The difference is that with factory settings, the first core will be at max turbo speeds, and successive cores will be slightly slower, so by the time you get all 4 cores going, they are sitting @300MHz slower than just the 1 core turbo. This is to accommodate heat buildup. By locking all the cores, you bypass the lowered settings and run all cores at the locked speed. This can be higher than 4 core turbo or lower than 1 core turbo as you don't have an overclockable pc. That's at a BCLK (buss clock) of 100, which is factory normal speeds. When you add stuff like OC Genie, you are bumping the buss clock, which is slightly different than the cpu multiplier. Your cpu has a locked cpu multiplier, it'll only go as high as max turbo. Buss clock is a multiplier as well, so cpu of 40 x BCLK of 100 = 4000MHz or 4.0GHz. A cpu of 40 x BCLK of 103.7 = 4148MHz. That achieves an overclock bypassing the cpu multiplier. However, it's a buss feed, and affects other things also on that buss, can be ram, hdd transmission speeds, definitely adds heat and needs higher voltages which adds more heat. Which the cpu cooler may or may not be able to handle, or maintain stability.

BCLK OC on Intel cpu's is not really advised, if you wanted OC, should have bought OC capable mobo/cpu. It can and does at times create issues of instability, heat problems etc that a pc user isn't thinking about.

With as strong as Intel cpu's are currently, there'll be no discernable difference in games from backing down the Auto OC, but as you found out, there is a discernable heat difference and it only gets worse the harder the cpu is pushed, so anything close to 100% loads is going to be realistically over 100% heat output.

Thank you for a reply. You just clear some things in my head, hehe. Still, I just have one more question and that's all. So, you suggest that I put on Auto OC and I will not lose in any performance at all?

I love gaming, a lot, but I didn't think that this CPU is not for overclock. Later, a few years ago I learn that CPU's with K are meant for pushing, overclock etc. Well, for next time I will now for sure.

Yes, it's better to leave everything on stock or auto.
You will lose some performance, obviously. But it will make your system much more stable and safe.

If you like overclocking, get K Series CPU and OC it professionally.