I5 8400 vs RYZEN 5 1600 ?

[miftamail.huda]

Just planning to order ryzen,

then

seeing that new Coffe lake is available at store ?

What the f......

This make me confuse....

Pls help

 

[superninja12]

i5 8400 ! defenetly.

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8363/intel-core-i7-8700k-i5-8400-coffee-lake-cpu-review/index6.html

 

[mdd1963]

Gaming performance of the 8400 as reviewed at Anandtech was very impressive; for the money spent, even more so.......

 

[miftamail.huda]

How about some things to consider :
1. Intel LGA 1151 is 3 years old, isn't it will replaced soon? which one is proven for future update?
2. Currently only Z370 mobo available, is it worth to bundle with non K 8400 ? (i can't wait till new chipset coming on 2018)

 

[superninja12]

1, its already beeing replaced with coffee lake.
2, certainly z series motherboards are the best.

 

[miftamail.huda]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from miftamail.huda : "LGA 1151 vs AM4"

How long the LGA 1151 will be supported by Intel?

 

[eugkra33]

The Ryzen 1600 and 1600x should have had its price lowered to $190-$200 now putting it about on par with the 8400 $189 price US for the chip alone. Problem is that z370 motherboards are $50 more than the AMD b350. So the question is if you're willing to spend that much more I'd pick the 8400. The Ryzen 5 chips are only worth it if you're planning to cheap out on the motherboard and get $60-70 one.

 

[rayn1784]

Yeah... What I'm looking at is that I was planning on buying the $215 R5 1600 + a $130 ASRock Fatal1ty X370 GAMING X motherboard for a total of $345. Right now new egg has the I5-8400 paired with the ASRock Z370 Extreme4 LGA 1151 for exactly the same price.

This would lead me to a future upgrade path to the i7-8600k at the least. Seems to be the better deal to me unless AMD drops prices.

Thoughts?

After thinking about this more though I expect this machine will be good enough for me for 3+ years and that I would want to upgrade to the latest motherboard when I upgraded at that time. This is only a $130-$150 motherboard. I don't think I'm buying into future proofing.

Guess comes down to which is better right now. I'm much more gaming and desktop user than workstation so.

 

[superninja12]

gaming= intel coffee lake for sure, im quite sure you have seen the benchmarks+

 

[mdd1963]

The 8400 performed so well, your next upgrade would likely be new CPU, MB, 3 years later anyway. It is a true bargain if the 8700k is unavailable and/ or expensive.
R5-1600 is still competitive and at similar cost, with less expensive mainboards.

 

[oussama.slice]

If it's meant for gaming, then no doubt the 8400 is your best pick here. I can only count 3 CPUs that outperform it in gaming and they are: 8700k, 7700k, 8600k. and the cheapest one of them is 80$ more expensive, so you should definitely get it. I would recommend waiting for cheaper B and H chipset motherboards to hit the market before buying, as this chip is locked and there's no point in spending 50$ extra on a Z series motherboard.

 

[vapour]

Watch more gaming comparison, too early to call. Don't forget 8400 can not OC, but Ryzen 1600 can. Those benches seem to only compare stock clock atm. More and more comparison videos will come out soon

 

[JohnMiller92]

Watch more gaming comparison, too early to call. Don't forget 8400 can not OC, but Ryzen 1600 can. Those benches seem to only compare stock clock atm. More and more comparison videos will come out soon

Not entirely true sir, this guy achieved 5GHz+ with bclking:
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/exploring-the-price-performance-advantage-of-bclk-overclocking-on-locked-coffee-lake-cpus/120099

Can be done on a $125 board

 

[Bruno Vincent]

OC the ryzen voids warranty right?

 

[superninja12]

OC the ryzen voids warranty right?

no

 

[aldaia]

Watch more gaming comparison, too early to call. Don't forget 8400 can not OC, but Ryzen 1600 can. Those benches seem to only compare stock clock atm. More and more comparison videos will come out soon

Not entirely true sir, this guy achieved 5GHz+ with bclking:
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/exploring-the-price-performance-advantage-of-bclk-overclocking-on-locked-coffee-lake-cpus/120099

Can be done on a $125 board

But not with 8400, it was a 8700k simulating 8400 specs. The simulated i5-8400 does have the full 12MB cache that the real one wouldn’t have and there is no guarantee that we’ll see i5-8400s binned well enough to achieve these clocks. My bet is real 8400 will fall very short considering 8700k is the highest bin.

 

[JohnMiller92]

Watch more gaming comparison, too early to call. Don't forget 8400 can not OC, but Ryzen 1600 can. Those benches seem to only compare stock clock atm. More and more comparison videos will come out soon

Not entirely true sir, this guy achieved 5GHz+ with bclking:
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/exploring-the-price-performance-advantage-of-bclk-overclocking-on-locked-coffee-lake-cpus/120099

Can be done on a $125 board

But not with 8400, it was a 8700k simulating 8400 specs. The simulated i5-8400 does have the full 12MB cache that the real one wouldn’t have and there is no guarantee that we’ll see i5-8400s binned well enough to achieve these clocks. My bet is real 8400 will fall very short considering 8700k is the highest bin.

Check out tech syndicates video, they achieved the high GHz on the 8400 too

 

[aldaia]

Watch more gaming comparison, too early to call. Don't forget 8400 can not OC, but Ryzen 1600 can. Those benches seem to only compare stock clock atm. More and more comparison videos will come out soon

Not entirely true sir, this guy achieved 5GHz+ with bclking:
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/exploring-the-price-performance-advantage-of-bclk-overclocking-on-locked-coffee-lake-cpus/120099

Can be done on a $125 board

But not with 8400, it was a 8700k simulating 8400 specs. The simulated i5-8400 does have the full 12MB cache that the real one wouldn’t have and there is no guarantee that we’ll see i5-8400s binned well enough to achieve these clocks. My bet is real 8400 will fall very short considering 8700k is the highest bin.

Check out tech syndicates video, they achieved the high GHz on the 8400 too

The tech syndicates video I watched is also a 8700k simulating a 8400. So far I'm unaware of anyone overclocking a real 8400 so I stand by what i wrote.

Assuming there is another tech syndicates video around overclocking a real 8400, please can you post a link?

 

[aldaia]

Extra info about 8400 overclocking abilities. 8400 owners confirmed that, contrary to i7 8700k simulating 8400, i5 8400 cannot be bclk overclocked.

So onto the bclk overclocking, sadly it doesn’t work. The best you can get out of it is 102.5 MHz, which gives you a 100 MHz boost to 3.9GHz on all cores and a 4.1 GHz 1 core turbo.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/74qgme/i5_8400_bclk_overclocking_to_52_ghz/do1gmtx/

 

[AdventureGuy]

Just planning to order ryzen,

then

seeing that new Coffe lake is available at store ?

What the f......

This make me confuse....

Pls help

I would definitely wait for i5 8400 and B350. However, if that'll likely take a few months. If you can't wait that long then I guess the 1600 isn't a bad choice...