i5 8600k + gtx 1080 vs R5 1600 + gtx 1080 ti

[questonomeutenteesistegia]

if you had to choose between these 2 which one would u go for? and more importantly why?

A) gtx 1080 ti + R5 1600

Mobo: msi b350 pc mate = €82
Case: corsair 270r = €65
Hdd: 2tb seagate = €69
Psu: evga 650w b3 = €69
Ram: 2x8gb ram = €137
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total= €1386


B) gtx 1080 + i5 8600k

Cpu Cooler + Mobo: msi z370 pc pro + cryorig h7 cooler = €162
Case: corsair carbide 400c white = €88
Hdd: 2tb seagate = €69
Psu: evga 650w b3 = €69
Ram: 2x8gb ram = €137

+ mouse and keyboard
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total= €1379


with the ti build iìm stuck with my current shitty mouse and keyboard also the case of the build i'm not reallly in love with

the i5 8600k build costs 120$ less if better case, mouse and keyboard were left out

my question would be... is that +30% boost of the gtx 1080 ti worth the overall bit less balanced build?

and yeah i'm currently on a 1080p 60hz monitor bit this too will be upgraded later to a 1440p 144hz

 

[burdenbound]

Why not the 1080ti and i5 or i7? For gaming with a 1080 or 1080ti I would stick with intel no question.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

I love Intel's new 8th gen CPUs. But, you always want to spend your money on the GPU first and foremost. The 1080ti is around 25-35% faster than the 1080. The choice is simple, go for the 1600 and 1080ti combo if that maxes out your budget cause the 8600k system will probably be around $100 more when you factor in the cost of a cooler and the additional cost of the motherboard. The 1600 is an excellent CPU, even though it trails the 8600k, it is not by that much.

Whatever you do, get the 1080ti and build your system around it.

 

[burdenbound]

I love Intel's new 8th gen CPUs. But, you always want to spend your money on the GPU first and foremost. The 1080ti is around 25-35% faster than the 1080. The choice is simple, go for the 1600 and 1080ti combo if that is all your budget can go for. The 1600 is an excellent CPU, even though it trails the 8600k, it is not by that much.

Wouldn't it be smarter to have a CPU and GPU that compliment each other? I don't see the justification behind getting the fastest GPU out there and then holding it back with a slow (comparatively) CPU.

IMO if you have enough money for a 1080ti then you should have enough for everything else, other wise save up or grab a GPU that makes sense.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

I love Intel's new 8th gen CPUs. But, you always want to spend your money on the GPU first and foremost. The 1080ti is around 25-35% faster than the 1080. The choice is simple, go for the 1600 and 1080ti combo if that is all your budget can go for. The 1600 is an excellent CPU, even though it trails the 8600k, it is not by that much.

Wouldn't it be smarter to have a CPU and GPU that compliment each other? I don't see the justification behind getting the fastest GPU out there and then holding it back with a slow (comparatively) CPU.

IMO if you have enough money for a 1080ti then you should have enough for everything else, other wise save up or grab a GPU that makes sense.

The 1600 will pair very nicely with a 1080ti. They are really good CPUs. While they are not as fast in single threaded applications, they are not terrible either. They are not the AMD CPUs of several years ago. I don't think the system would be top heavy at all, especially if you play at higher resolution. The performance difference at 2k and 4k with different CPUs is next to nothing. I would suggest getting some high speed RAM though if you go with a 1600. Ryzen scales well with faster RAM and I would want something around the 3200mhz.

I also understand your point too though. If you are buying a $750 GPU, you would think that you could spend $250 on the CPU. But, he may already be above his budget. So when in doubt, I go GPU first and foremost.

Also there is the opportunity for upgrade. I know I sound like an AMD fan (even though I run Intel) but there is upgrade opportunities for the AM4 platform for a couple of years.

 

[questonomeutenteesistegia]

I love Intel's new 8th gen CPUs. But, you always want to spend your money on the GPU first and foremost. The 1080ti is around 25-35% faster than the 1080. The choice is simple, go for the 1600 and 1080ti combo if that is all your budget can go for. The 1600 is an excellent CPU, even though it trails the 8600k, it is not by that much.

Wouldn't it be smarter to have a CPU and GPU that compliment each other? I don't see the justification behind getting the fastest GPU out there and then holding it back with a slow (comparatively) CPU.

IMO if you have enough money for a 1080ti then you should have enough for everything else, other wise save up or grab a GPU that makes sense.

the thing is that i'm gonna be playing at 4k or 1440p not at 1080p so the speed bump that the i5 8600k gives is will be lowered, the only reason i still thing about going with the gtx 1080 is that it lets me get the case + mouse and keyboard that i want...

 

[feelinfroggy777]

I would go for the 1080ti and the 1600. There is not a difference at 4k and a very small difference at 2k. But there is a big difference between a 1080 and a 1080ti at 4k. I have both and in my opinion, the 1080 was not a true 4k card. There are some games it just could not handle. Where the 1080ti is a 4k card.

If you are only going to play 1440p, then yeah, the 1080 is great. But for 4k, you really need a 1080ti.

 

[questonomeutenteesistegia]

I love Intel's new 8th gen CPUs. But, you always want to spend your money on the GPU first and foremost. The 1080ti is around 25-35% faster than the 1080. The choice is simple, go for the 1600 and 1080ti combo if that is all your budget can go for. The 1600 is an excellent CPU, even though it trails the 8600k, it is not by that much.

Wouldn't it be smarter to have a CPU and GPU that compliment each other? I don't see the justification behind getting the fastest GPU out there and then holding it back with a slow (comparatively) CPU.

IMO if you have enough money for a 1080ti then you should have enough for everything else, other wise save up or grab a GPU that makes sense.

The 1600 will pair very nicely with a 1080ti. They are really good CPUs. While they are not as fast in single threaded applications, they are not terrible either. They are not the AMD CPUs of several years ago. I don't think the system would be top heavy at all, especially if you play at higher resolution. The performance difference at 2k and 4k with different CPUs is next to nothing. I would suggest getting some high speed RAM though if you go with a 1600. Ryzen scales well with faster RAM and I would want something around the 3200mhz.

I also understand your point too though. If you are buying a $750 GPU, you would think that you could spend $250 on the CPU. But, he may already be above his budget. So when in doubt, I go GPU first and foremost.

Also there is the opportunity for upgrade. I know I sound like an AMD fan (even though I run Intel) but there is upgrade opportunities for the AM4 platform for a couple of years.

yeah i'm with you on all of this, and yeah my max budget is 1400€ and both builds cost 1380€

also i wanna remind you that the i5 8600k doesn't cost 260€ as it's marketed, if you combine the cost of the z370 mobo (127€) + cost of a decent aftermarket cooler (cryorig h7=34€) u would have to pay 420€

the r5 1600 comes with a decent stock cooler and the b350 motherboard cost only 80... which has all the functionalities i really need and it's overclockable for a total of 200+80=280€

there is a STRONG price difference between them at the moment, really hope that intel realeases a "b350" equivalent for coffee lake.

side question here
since i'm gonna play mostly at 4k isn't a r3 1200 enough? or a i3? or a pentium lol

i mean i see al these benchmarks coming out and showing that at 4k
when paired with gtx 1080 ti the difference between a flagship intel 400€ and a pentium g4560 is like 10% max

 

[madmatt30]

There is the Intel 8400 though which is about the same price as the ryzen & has a stock cooler included.

It's a viable option although ryzen would still be first choice for me

Personally I think the 8600k is overpriced , you can get a locked 8700 for about the same price as a 8600k & aftermarket cooler.

 

[questonomeutenteesistegia]

There is the Intel 8400 though which is about the same price as the ryzen & has a stock cooler included.

It's a viable option although ryzen would still be first choice for me

Personally I think the 8600k is overpriced , you can get a locked 8700 for about the same price as a 8600k & aftermarket cooler.

yeah i know, but the reason i'm even considering a 8600k is that there is a tray version that comes at 239€

unfortunately the i7 8700 tray costs 323€... that plus the 127€ z370 mobo=450€.

that's 40€ more than the i5 8600k combo

 

[madmatt30]

I'd drop the idea of 1440p 144htz & go with the ryzen 1600, a 1080 (non ti) & a good 60-75htz panel.

You can then buy the rest of your bells & whistles irregardless & fit an ssd aswell in which is sorely missing from your build list.
A 1080 will manage 1440p 75htz fine as will the ryzen.

If you are seriously considering a 4k screen though you absolutely need a 1080ti minimum , the difference between the ryzen & Intel becomes completely irrelevant because there is no 100htz+ 4k screen on the market & current gpu's are nowhere near strong enough anyway.

I'd stick with the first solution & wait for Volta to release before even considering 4k gaming - personally I don't really think we're quite there yet.

 

[coozie7]

What type of games do you play?
For slower paced games 4K would work, but for fast paced racing games or high speed shooters I'd opt for a faster, lower resolution screen, and skip Gsync, it's really only useful once the frame rate drops well under 60 FPS, otherwise a cheaper Freesync display works just as well.

With money tight I'd actually split the builds and go R5 1600/GTX1080 with a 144Hz 1440 Freesync screen for later on, but of the two listed, I'd go for the R5 1600/GTX1080Ti because, as already stated, the speed difference between Intel and AMD once you go over 1080 rez is negligible and whatever display you DO opt for the extra horsepower of that big 'Ti is going to make a significant difference-you may even be able to keep it longer as well.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

side question here
since i'm gonna play mostly at 4k isn't a r3 1200 enough? or a i3? or a pentium lol

Here is an interesting video about Bottlenecking that I saw a few weeks ago. It might give you some insight to this question. I thought the results were interesting comparing synthetic benchmarks vs real world applications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH0GDxLL-RI

 

[questonomeutenteesistegia]

I'd drop the idea of 1440p 144htz & go with the ryzen 1600, a 1080 (non ti) & a good 60-75htz panel.

You can then buy the rest of your bells & whistles irregardless & fit an ssd aswell in which is sorely missing from your build list.
A 1080 will manage 1440p 75htz fine as will the ryzen.

If you are seriously considering a 4k screen though you absolutely need a 1080ti minimum , the difference between the ryzen & Intel becomes completely irrelevant because there is no 100htz+ 4k screen on the market & current gpu's are nowhere near strong enough anyway.

I'd stick with the first solution & wait for Volta to release before even considering 4k gaming - personally I don't really think we're quite there yet.

so to clarify... the 1440p 144hrz monitor will come in the future down the line, i already own a 1080p 60hrz monitor so, also i do wanna be able to display over 100 fps on my screen and if a had to make a compromise beetwee shaprness and frame rate i would DEFINETLY pick frame rate.

also "bells and whistles" are much easier to implement in the future compared to a graphics card upgrade due to their price difference.

it's much easier to spare 100€ for a case/mouse/keyboard/ssd than to spare for 700€ for a gpu upgrade

the hardest to upgrade items maxed out, those easy to upgrade down the line less so...

 

[questonomeutenteesistegia]

What type of games do you play?
For slower paced games 4K would work, but for fast paced racing games or high speed shooters I'd opt for a faster, lower resolution screen, and skip Gsync, it's really only useful once the frame rate drops well under 60 FPS, otherwise a cheaper Freesync display works just as well.

With money tight I'd actually split the builds and go R5 1600/GTX1080 with a 144Hz 1440 Freesync screen for later on, but of the two listed, I'd go for the R5 1600/GTX1080Ti because, as already stated, the speed difference between Intel and AMD once you go over 1080 rez is negligible and whatever display you DO opt for the extra horsepower of that big 'Ti is going to make a significant difference-you may even be able to keep it longer as well.

yeah g-sync is totally not worth it, and yeah it's crazy how cpu's behave at higher resolutions, so much so i'm tempted to get a ryzen 3 1200 and pair it with the gtx 1080 ti and only game at 1440p or above

of course i'll upgrade the cpu down the line and since amd announced that they are gonna be supporting AM4 platforms till at least 2020 this might be the best choice for high rez gaming... but i'm not so sure yet, but i like the idea of sparing some money.

 

[questonomeutenteesistegia]

side question here
since i'm gonna play mostly at 4k isn't a r3 1200 enough? or a i3? or a pentium lol

Here is an interesting video about Bottlenecking that I saw a few weeks ago. It might give you some insight to this question. I thought the results were interesting comparing synthetic benchmarks vs real world applications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH0GDxLL-RI

Yeah i've already seen that video ahah, but results depend HEAVILY on resolution and games u play.

at 4k the difference between a r3 1200 oc'd and a 7700k is like 5% to 10% which is the reason i'm temped to pair the gtx 1080 ti with a i3 8100 when the cheaper coffee lake boards come out lol

 

[feelinfroggy777]

What is your budget? You will be handcuffing your system if you get a 1080, let alone a 1080ti, and pair it with a 1080p 60hz panel.

I have to respectfully disagree with going against 1440p. You are building a system to pair with a 1440p or 4k panel. Pairing it with a 1080p 60hz panel is like driving your Ferrari in a school zone all day. Your monitor will be your bottleneck. If you want to play at 1080p, then save a bunch of money and get a 1060. 1440p is the perfect medium for high framerates and definition.

If the question is to get a 1080 and a 1440p/144 hz monitor or get a 1080ti and stay with your 1080p/60hz panel then definitely get the 1080 and 1440p monitor.

At 2k, there will be performance loss in games running a cheaper processor like a 1200. I would not recommend a 1200. The 8100 is fine but you will be paying a premium because all you can get are Z boards. In my opinion, when the H boards come out, there is little reason to go for anything in the Ryzen 3 lineup unless their prices go down.

 

[questonomeutenteesistegia]

What is your budget? You will be handcuffing your system if you get a 1080, let alone a 1080ti, and pair it with a 1080p 60hz panel.

I have to respectfully disagree with going against 1440p. You are building a system to pair with a 1440p or 4k panel. Pairing it with a 1080p 60hz panel is like driving your Ferrari in a school zone all day. Your monitor will be your bottleneck. If you want to play at 1080p, then save a bunch of money and get a 1060. 1440p is the perfect medium for high framerates and definition.

If the question is to get a 1080 and a 1440p/144 hz monitor or get a 1080ti and stay with your 1080p/60hz panel then definitely get the 1080 and 1440p monitor.

At 2k, there will be performance loss in games running a cheaper processor like a 1200. I would not recommend a 1200. The 8100 is fine but you will be paying a premium because all you can get are Z boards. In my opinion, when the H boards come out, there is little reason to go for anything in the Ryzen 3 lineup unless their prices go down.

i'm highly aware of all of that, a 1080p monitor is what i have at the moment but it's gonna be replaced by a 1440p 144hrz monitor as soon as i have the cash, that's not the point at all... (for the time i'm gonna play 4k supersampled to 1080p to hold the fps at bay till i have the money for the new monitor)

and i mentioned that i was not planning on pairing the 8100 with a z motherboard, that would be really silly lol

my absolute max budget is 1400€ if you wanted to know.

how about

i5 8400 + H board + gtx 1080 ti?
i3 8100 + H board + gtx 1080 ti?
V.S
Ryzen 1600 + b350 + gtx 1080 ti?
Ryzen 1400 + b350 + gtx 1080 ti?

again for 4k and 1440p only is it worth it not to "cheap out"?

all those benchmarks at 4k and 1440p really tempt me to go for the cheaper cpu's but should i?

 

[feelinfroggy777]

The 8400 + H board will be the new king of gaming. If you have the money for the 1080ti, then go for it, if you don't, then get the 1080. Both are great cards and will give you an excellent experience at 1440p.

 

[questonomeutenteesistegia]

The 8400 + H board will be the new king of gaming. If you have the money for the 1080ti, then go for it, if you don't, then get the 1080. Both are great cards and will give you an excellent experience at 1440p.

yeah i have the money for the gtx ti r5 1600 build but i'll probably wait and get a 8400 + H and pair it with the gtx 1080 ti