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Hello, im looking to update my pc to get away from the old 1155 socket. I was looking at the 8350, as the 8350 equal, better or less, it seems the same to me. Also is the 9590 or 8370E a better option.

On the other hand should i just stick to Intel. What is your opinion

(Mainly for gaming)
 
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Not sure, possibly scan.co.uk, or dabs.com? I don't know to what extent normal companies here
would ship outside the EU, probably not that many. Seems to be something more common in
countries in mainland Europe, eg. Germany.

I'd be happy to help find something though, do the shipping myself. Nobody packs stuff better
than me! 8) I even wrote a shipping guide.

Hmm, had a quick look just now, there don't seem to be any decent Z68 boards on eBay atm
here within a sensible cost range... there is a decent P67 (item 201335899779), but it doesn't
come with an I/O shield (though a Dutch seller has one available, item...
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My advice would be to stick with that i7, it's way much better than any of the FX CPU's. You don't need to upgrade for now, but if you want, wait for skylake that will be released at the end of this year or the beggining of the next.
 
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That i7 still has enough power for games. If you want to boost its performance just buy a better quality cooler for it so it can more easily hit its turbo speed of 3.8GHZ.

The 8350 actually isn't much better than a i7 2600 for games. I can't think of any game that actually needs more CPU power than a i7 2600 to be honest.
 
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I have the non-k edition, i understand what you guys are saying. i will just wait till skylake, and hope the haswell chips drop in price
 
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Assuming you do have the standard 2600 (ie. not the K version), then remember you always
have the option of fitting a 2600K or 2700K instead, ie. overclocking.

Every 2700K I've obtained has happily run at 5GHz, which of course is a hefty kick up from the
stock speed of a 2600, so you have the means of accessing more speed without a platform change.
Most 2600Ks will handle 4.5 to 4.8 ok.

So indeed, stick with what you have, it's an excellent platform.

Ian.

 
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If you want to switch to AMD you are better off waiting another year for AMD Zen.

I think its worth at least waiting for Skylake K (overclock version) to come out before upgrading from second gen i7.

There has not been many noticeable performance gains in CPU technology since the i7 2600 came out. Each generation since has only provided tiny improvements.

EDIT: Although the i7 4790K is admittedly very good. Its worth having a look at if it comes down in price.
 
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Alas people said the same thing about BD, and again with the initially rumoured 9K.
Each time they've utterly underwhelming, power hungry, hot, etc.

Waiting? AMD itself said it was not going to compete in the desktop space anymore.
As a result Intel doesn't exactly price its latest CPUs to be that pocket-friendly, but
it does mean older tech ends up having incredible value. If I was pending an uprade,
I'd wait for Skylake (costly) but just build a used 4790K-based system.

I bought another 2700K this week, it was half the price of the current 4790K.

Ian.


 
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Wow, I had forgotten how awesome the Sandy Bridge series is at overclocking.

Ian, what cooler and motherboard do you use to get the i7 2700K up to 5 GHZ? I am curious.

EDIT: Yeah AMD is having one last crack at the desktop CPU with the Zen series. They just won't release any new chips during the next year except a refresh of the Kaveri APU.

Can you actually find the 2700K new? Because I would happily use that CPU and save a heap of money if possible.
 
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Hey Ian. what Mobo do you use, im thinking of at least upgrading my mobo, but it is very hard to come across 155 mobos in Australia
 
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Yeh, ive been searching the web all day for a decent 1155 motherboard, wish they were still available in aus. Ive noticed a few on Newegg, but its $50+ to ship here
 
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I mostly aim to get the ASUS Maximus IV Extreme, but many others should work just as well.
Note my main thing is SGIs (Google for SGI Depot), but I build PC stuff on the side. Happy to
help you source something if you like (I've sent plenty of stuff to OZ before, I help the OZ
airforce maintain their flight sim training setups), there's quite a lot of this tech on the UK
used market, though I should mention that several M4Es I've obtained were actually new.
The first one I bought (using it to type this) was an ASUS refurb and was only 87 UKP, at
a time when the board was still current.

The M4E is a fairly large board though (I have six of them atm, some of which are the Z version).
I'd be happy with the better Asrock equivalents, indeed I obtained an Extreme7 a while ago,
but one thing I would say is try and get a board which does mbd diag LEDs, debug POST LED,
etc., makes diagnosing oc issues much easier. M4E is good for this.

Here's a typical build I did this week for a friend on a shoestring:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5264694

(except the GTX 460 is temporary, I obtained a GTX 580 for the final setup)

If you're using eBay on your own, my general rules for mbd hunting are:

- Always go for sellers that mark their listings with, "Returns accepted".

- Err in favour of listings that show the CPU socket cover in place.

- Ask to see a close-up pic of the socket pins if one isn't already given.

- Err towards listings that provide up to date BIOS screenshots, CPU-Z URLs, etc.

Ian.

PS. One down side of the M4E: the NEC USB3 chip does have a bug which can
sometimes make the back ports act a bit odd, but it won't happen unless one is
constantly connecting & disconnecting stuff.

 
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Most welcome!




Not sure, possibly scan.co.uk, or dabs.com? I don't know to what extent normal companies here
would ship outside the EU, probably not that many. Seems to be something more common in
countries in mainland Europe, eg. Germany.

I'd be happy to help find something though, do the shipping myself. Nobody packs stuff better
than me! 8) I even wrote a shipping guide.

Hmm, had a quick look just now, there don't seem to be any decent Z68 boards on eBay atm
here within a sensible cost range... there is a decent P67 (item 201335899779), but it doesn't
come with an I/O shield (though a Dutch seller has one available, item 170963912333). Item
291410349429 looks good (Asrock Z87 Extreme4), but you'd need to get the I/O shield from
somewhere. Personally though I try to get ASUS boards, overall I find them easier to oc (this
coming from a former rabid Asrock fan, I really liked the AM2NF3-VSTA, X58 Extreme6 and
other boards).

What kind of mbd are you looking for btw? Something that can support good overclocking,
multiple GPUs, etc.? If not, there are plenty of fairly low-end S1155 boards available, but I don't
normally bother with those (eg. the LE/LX ASUS boards, the Pro3/Extreme3 Asrock boards,
the XP/UD3 Gigabyte boards, that sort of thing). Examples include items 271843640831 and
especially 291437595954.

There are some good company sellers of just mbds on their own, eg. parts4pcs, I've bought
several from them, mostly X79. Another is goggleboxdirect, they seem to have a few decent
Z87 mbds available, eg. item 171679937665, though they're not what I'd call bargains (the
better ones are a tad higher priced).

There are also a few what I would call fair mbd/CPU/RAM bundles; not bargains, but
reasonable, eg. item 181724087119. This one more or less correlates to what the
parts would go for separately these days, eg. I've won two 2700Ks this week for
about 135 each. There are a few auction-type items aswell, eg. 261854302264.

Ian.

PS. To clarify: there are M4Es on eBay here, but they're far too expensive IMO.
One just has to wait for decent auctions to come along. Best I've obtained so far was
a completely new boxed M4E/Z for 80 UKP.


 
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