i7 2600k (current) need new suggestions?

[Peanut2013uk]

Hi, so I started upgrading my rig from
i7 2600k
antec 900 PSU bronze
Sabertooth P67
corsair vengeance 8gb ram
1TB western digital HDD
Asus Radeon HD6950

I've upgraded my GPU to the GTX970 this week (what's the issue with the gpu wanting to display everything in 4k automatically?!)
I think im getting bottle neck from cpu although farcry 4 plays without issues I do have issues on wow and dota with the screen juddering (rarely) when I go from say inside a house to a greater detailed place outside world or when im checking my armoury on dota while watching a game it pauses for 0.5ms when swapping pages (none of which happened on the old GPU).
So if it is the processor which I think it is, what's the best one to get? for some reason my gpu for its applications says for me to get i3-2100 3.1GHz (lol?) or AMD athlon x4 630 2.8GHz.
is the new haswell the way forward? I only use my comp for gaming. If a new processor is in order then a new motherboard is too so a suggestion for that would be awesome !

Also is the haswell 8 physical cores better than an i7 4 core with hp?

Thanks in advance !

 

[okcnaline]

Keep the i7 for now. It's still good for modern day gaming, since you just got a GTX 970.

 

[Peanut2013uk]

Keep the i7 for now. It's still good for modern day gaming, since you just got a GTX 970.

im not one of these ones for overclocking although I always buy the overclocking hardware, my motherboard has overdrive which whips it up to 3.5GHz instead of 3.3GHz (automatically) I have the cooling Antec coolermaster case with 7 fans and I have http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/v6gt/ the system should be stable? it did shut it self down previously when I used the overclock feature on the motherboard but im 99% sure that was the standard cpu fan (lol)

Also what was your thoughts on the bottle necking?

 

[synphul]

I agree, I'd keep the i7 you have. More cores won't mean more performance in games right now or anytime soon (highly doubt it). Not sure if haswell has 8 core i7's or if that's the haswell-e's on the x99 chipset. Which would mean new cpu (expensive for true 8 core i7), new x99 mobo (also expensive) and ddr4 ram (also more expensive compared to ddr3). If it were a heavily threaded application like video editing software, photoshop etc that could make use of 8 cores then yes 8 real cores would be higher performing than 8 threads on 4 cores with hyperthreading. Hyperthreading just gives a slight increase, (10-20% max) over 4 cores/4 threads in heavily threaded situations.

 

[Peanut2013uk]

I agree, I'd keep the i7 you have. More cores won't mean more performance in games right now or anytime soon (highly doubt it). Not sure if haswell has 8 core i7's or if that's the haswell-e's on the x99 chipset. Which would mean new cpu (expensive for true 8 core i7), new x99 mobo (also expensive) and ddr4 ram (also more expensive compared to ddr3). If it were a heavily threaded application like video editing software, photoshop etc that could make use of 8 cores then yes 8 real cores would be higher performing than 8 threads on 4 cores with hyperthreading. Hyperthreading just gives a slight increase, (10-20% max) over 4 cores/4 threads in heavily threaded situations.

heres the i7 8 core
http://ark.intel.com/products/82930/Intel-Core-i7-5960X-Processor-Extreme-Edition-20M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz
and I only play games

 

[chenw]

only Extremes have more than 4 cores, every other CPU in the haswell series has 4 or less.

And I agree with previous posts, I wouldn't upgrade the CPU just to upgrade the CPU. I would only do so if you needed a feature that your mobo doesn't support, and would be more of an 'update' than an 'upgrade'

 

[Peanut2013uk]

only Extremes have more than 4 cores, every other CPU in the haswell series has 4 or less.

And I agree with previous posts, I wouldn't upgrade the CPU just to upgrade the CPU. I would only do so if you needed a feature that your mobo doesn't support, and would be more of an 'update' than an 'upgrade'

I linked an i7 8 core ! also as I said I think im getting bottle necking in the processor, which no one has said anything about or suggested a fix etc, the only solution to bottle necking I know of is to upgrade 😛

 

[chenw]

Haswell Extreme CPUs are total overkill, the only time I would even consider about considering them is when I want to use Tri or Quad SLI, and not because it's a better CPU, but because I needed the PCI-E lanes on the extremes.

More cores very rarely makes a difference because there simply are not enough games that would take advantage of them. Under vast majority of the cases, 4 cores is often sufficient, anymore than that you are not getting your money's worth.

Especially with 5960X, since that CPU costs the same as an entire rig otherwise.

If you MUST upgrade, I would recommend that you go for 4790k, no higher. Many would prefer 4690k or even 4460 because they are cheaper and offers very similar performance to 4790k. As a side note, non-Extreme CPUs are more than capable of handling Dual-GPU setups (if you choose to do so) on their own.

tl,dr: Avoid CPU's that uses X chipsets for gaming, unless you are building a Tri or Quad SLI or Xfire rig.

Although first things first: When you upgraded from your AMD to nVidia, did you make sure to completely uninstall your old drivers (with software such as DDU), restart, then install the nVidia drivers? And did you try total OS reinstall?

 

[okcnaline]

@chenw: What are you playing at... That IS a BX80648I75960X (Haswell-E, 8 cores, Intel Core i7 Extreme i7-5960X).
@Peanut2013uk: You aren't bottlenecking. The CPU's still fine. OC would help with performance, but again, IT IS FINE.

And plus, if you are going to upgrade and only gaming, get i5-4690K. All you needed is there. It is sufficient to max.

 

[Peanut2013uk]

Haswell Extreme CPUs are total overkill, the only time I would even consider about considering them is when I want to use Tri or Quad SLI, and not because it's a better CPU, but because I needed the PCI-E lanes on the extremes.

More cores very rarely makes a difference because there simply are not enough games that would take advantage of them. Under vast majority of the cases, 4 cores is often sufficient, anymore than that you are not getting your money's worth.

Especially with 5960X, since that CPU costs the same as an entire rig otherwise.

If you MUST upgrade, I would recommend that you go for 4790k, no higher. Many would prefer 4690k or even 4460 because they are cheaper and offers very similar performance to 4790k. As a side note, non-Extreme CPUs are more than capable of handling Dual-GPU setups (if you choose to do so) on their own.

tl,dr: Avoid CPU's that uses X chipsets for gaming, unless you are building a Tri or Quad SLI or Xfire rig.

they go up to 5xxx though? what makes the 4790k better than later models?

 

[okcnaline]

Yes, Extreme CPUs are 1xxx behind the current model. And also, I disagree with chenw, since i5 is cheaper and still gets the job done, well. The i7-4790K has only the difference of 8 threads for 4 more virtual cores.

 

[chenw]

(I edited my previous post).

4790k isn't better than 5XXX models, but they are not any worst either. There are plenty of benchmarks showing that 4790k often offers no performance diff in games.

The number of games where it WOULD make a difference is probably in single digits, unless you play the game to earn money, I don't see how spending $1500+ just on the CPU, RAM (X99 uses DDR4 RAM, and are incompatible with old DDR3) and Mobo for 1 game as a good spend.

Edit: Sorry, my post was supposed to mean, go no higher than 4790k, not suggesting 4790k, I would have chosen 4690k as well, but any sensible spending on CPU ends at 4790k

 

[Peanut2013uk]

Yes, Extreme CPUs are 1xxx behind the current model. And also, I disagree with chenw, since i5 is cheaper and still gets the job done, well. The i7-4790K has only the difference of 8 threads for 4 more virtual cores.

oknaline can you go 1 better in terms of percentage how much more better is the i5 4690k compared to the i7 2600k with my rig.

also whats with that juddering I get never had it with the HD6950 >.< ram maybe? I know 16gb is the preference over 8gb.

 

[chenw]

When you upgraded from your AMD to nVidia, did you make sure to completely uninstall your old drivers (with software such as DDU), restart, then install the nVidia drivers? And did you try total OS reinstall?

 

[Peanut2013uk]

When you upgraded from your AMD to nVidia, did you make sure to completely uninstall your old drivers (with software such as DDU), restart, then install the nVidia drivers? And did you try total OS reinstall?

no, I just uninstalled through AMD interface which from their own page removes everything it took a while to remove and no had any blue screens or anything, and unfortunately I have 700gb of downloaded games on my hdd so I didn't reinstall the OS as I though the asus uninstall was sufficient. and yes I restarted after I uninstalled then turned off the system and changed cards and installed the new drivers.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/GPU57RemoveOldGraphicsDrivers.aspx

 

[synphul]

Sorry it wasn't more clear, when many of us said your current i7 is fine we meant it's not a bottleneck in the system. Game stuttering can be from drivers, game encoding, any number of things really. If it were low fps, then I'd say something was bottlenecked. I didn't realize you were talking about the haswell-e (extreme) 8 cores, since they are $1000 cpu's. Coupled with a $400 x99 mobo and likely $300 worth of ddr4 ram, pcie lanes that wouldn't even begin to be saturated until you sli'd 2-3 of those gtx 980's for what I could only guess might translate to 5-10fps over a $200 core i5 on a $130-150 mobo with $60-70 worth of ddr3 8gb ram.

Understandably the comparison doesn't include the new extreme 8 core but to give an example of the i7 2600k vs comparable haswell i7.

Farcry 3 at 1080p, the 4770k at 4.5ghz got 1 fps higher than the 2600k at stock.
crysis 3 got .8 fps higher than the 2600k.
skyrim, it got 8fps higher than the stock 2600k and when the 2600k was oc'd to 4.5ghz same as the 4770k, the difference was .8 fps.

http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?page=0&itemid=1164

Just trying to elaborate that there's nothing wrong with your current i7, hopefully this article/comparison helps.

 

[Peanut2013uk]

Sorry it wasn't more clear, when many of us said your current i7 is fine we meant it's not a bottleneck in the system. Game stuttering can be from drivers, game encoding, any number of things really. If it were low fps, then I'd say something was bottlenecked. I didn't realize you were talking about the haswell-e (extreme) 8 cores, since they are $1000 cpu's. Coupled with a $400 x99 mobo and likely $300 worth of ddr4 ram, pcie lanes that wouldn't even begin to be saturated until you sli'd 2-3 of those gtx 980's for what I could only guess might translate to 5-10fps over a $200 core i5 on a $130-150 mobo with $60-70 worth of ddr3 8gb ram.

Understandably the comparison doesn't include the new extreme 8 core but to give an example of the i7 2600k vs comparable haswell i7.

Farcry 3 at 1080p, the 4770k at 4.5ghz got 1 fps higher than the 2600k at stock.
crysis 3 got .8 fps higher than the 2600k.
skyrim, it got 8fps higher than the stock 2600k and when the 2600k was oc'd to 4.5ghz same as the 4770k, the difference was .8 fps.

http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?page=0&itemid=1164

Just trying to elaborate that there's nothing wrong with your current i7, hopefully this article/comparison helps.

How you get to oc them so high? I know the basis to overclock but my luck it will go bang so to speak lol. My mb only overclocks it 2-300GHz
And yes this helps exponentially!

 

[synphul]

This might help you get started. Just keep in mind, even though overclocking is done a lot there are no guarantees of performance increase (some chips overclock better than others, it's random binning lottery) and there are always risks involved. Kind of a your mileage may vary scenario, yes it's done a lot but unlikely to cause damage isn't insurance it won't.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-sabertooth-p67-tuf-review,10.html