Okay. I have enough money for either one, so thats not a factor. I game A LOT. I know a lot of people have been saying hyper threading is useless, but I have heard of new games using hyperthreading and there was good fps bumps. BF4 is probably going to be cpu and gpu intensive on multiplayer so I think the threading will come in handy. Im also planning on getting star citizen which runs cryengine 3. Someone recently posted pics of MASSIVE fps gains on crysis 3 (which uses cryengine 3) this probably means star citizen will benefit from it...future games look like they're going to actually be using hyper threading. For older games its useless. But I want my new rig to be future proof. Oh and is the 4770k better at overclocking than the 4670k?