i7 4770k vs FX 8350

[Raikozen]

I just want some legit opinions. Like, backed by some facts or first person experience with both of the processors.

So here is my predicament,

I want to be able to stream CPU intensive games @ 720p 30fps and have it be very stable.

FX-8350:
I already own the 8350 but it is not overclocked. I have issues streaming and gaming at the same time. I know for a fact it's the 8350 bottle necking me because it hits 100% load when doing so. Also when I try to overclock it just gets way too hot with my cheap liquid CPU cooler. I plan on buying the H115i to solve my CPU heating issues while overclocking.

i7 4770k:
I have the opportunity to buy this CPU and also get the H115i cooler along with it.

So if I have to make a decision based solely on performance for streaming and gaming, should I just switch over to the Intel chip or save my money and overclock the AMD?

 

[Andrei-Florin Gogan]

Well, there is no doubt that the i7 4770k will outperform the FX 8350 by a mile in any task or game you throw at it. FX chips are okay when overclocked but will struggle a bit for what you want to do with it but it is doable at 720p. A full list of your specs would give us some insight. If you have the money then...by all means Intel is miles ahead at the moment.

 

[bicycle_repair_man]

I don't have personal experience with either CPU, but I can tell you that the 4770 is in a class of its own. The 8350 offers similar, but not better, multi-threaded performance, but the 4770 blows it out of the water when it comes to single-threaded performance. What streaming software are you using?

 

[Raikozen]

Streaming software: OBS
Current CPU Cooler: CM Seidon 120M
GPU: 980ti Superclocked
Mobo: AsRock 990FX Extreme9(AMD) & MSI Z87-G55(Intel)
PSU: Corsair HX1000i
RAM: G.skill Ares 1866 16GB (4x4GB)
Case: Corsair 750D

 

[Ohmybad]

Here is Anandtechs bench marks of the two chips.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=836

 

[Raikozen]

I should also note, I plan on playing these games on as high of a setting as possible. Like, The Division.

 

[Raikozen]

@ 1080P

 

[ohim]

My advice, just wait till the end of the year for the Zen and what ever Intel calls their new CPUs. Had the FX 8350 and it holds pretty well.. the 4770k will be an upgrade in some areas while in other will perform just like the FX, most of the times if you don`t sit with the FPS counter on the screen you won`t even notice any difference unless you run something that hits unplayable frame rates.

PS: the more you push the GPU the more GPU bound and less CPU bound you will be. Playing Battlefield 4 at 150% resolution scale, pushed my R9-290 so much that both the FX 8350 and my current i7 4790k were pushing out the same FPS

 

[bicycle_repair_man]

With a GTX 980 Ti, I wouldn't be surprised if the 8350 was being bottlenecked. Does the CPU reach 100% usage without streaming? I also assume that your upload speed is sufficiently fast?

From what I can see, OBS is a single-threaded program, so the poor IPC of an 8350 is likely holding you back.

 

[Raikozen]

My advice, just wait till the end of the year for the Zen and what ever Intel calls their new CPUs. Had the FX 8350 and it holds pretty well.. the 4770k will be an upgrade in some areas while in other will perform just like the FX, most of the times if you don`t sit with the FPS counter on the screen you won`t even notice any difference unless you run something that hits unplayable frame rates.

Well, most of my games either lag a bit, or OBS has encoding problems with the 8350. Plus I'm not going to buy a flagship Intel chip. I need a solution now that will give me steady frames and no encoding issues. Also, my 980ti should be more than enough to handle any game I throw at it, very high - ultra settings. I'm pretty sure this is mainly a CPU issue. Since I can turn games all the way down to lowest settings, and the CPU struggles.

 

[Raikozen]

With a GTX 980 Ti, I wouldn't be surprised if the 8350 was being bottlenecked. Does the CPU reach 100% usage without streaming? I also assume that your upload speed is sufficiently fast?

From what I can see, OBS is a single-threaded program, so the poor IPC of an 8350 is likely holding you back.

It hits 100% only when doing both, and multi-tasking a few other background processes for the stream. AC Syndicate is always over 60-80% load when I play it, no matter if I dial down the settings or not. Then with OBS open and streaming, it's 90% and the second I start moving around in game, it starts maxing cores to 100% and struggles.

My upload speed is 4,000kbps so I usually go for about 3,000kbps and that should be sufficient for the stream settings.

 

[Andrei-Florin Gogan]

The 4770k will be a decent upgrade. Most of the people doubt Zen will out perform Haswell with mid-high end CPUs and I tend to agree. The IPC on Intel chips is well above AMD's IPC and that is what matters in games and in single threaded apps.

 

[Raikozen]

Thank you all for your insight. I'm gonna make the switch and go with the 4770k. Does anyone know if the motherboard for it is decent for overclocking? (I'm still learning the whole Overclocking thing)

 

[synphul]

I would say between those two choices, the i7. It can also be overclocked if paired with a z series motherboard since it's a k series cpu. Overclocking will help the fx 8350 some but won't have as great an effect. It won't change the architecture or the ipc of the fx chip and clock speed doesn't have as big of an impact because of the lower core performance.

Meaning overclocking an fx 8350 to 4.8ghz (800mhz oc) may sound like a big boost but would be more like a 400mhz or so oc on the intel cpu. Not to say it wouldn't help but isn't going to be a huge improvement over what you're currently getting.

 

[TechsavvyAMD]

New AMD Zen architecture will be very much efficient. If Interested in AMD, wait for it.
find more about : http://tech4gizmos.com/amd-zen-architecture/
Or i7 4770K is the Long term stability deal from Intel.

 

[bicycle_repair_man]

OK, I'm now certain that the 8350 is bottlenecking the 980 Ti, and OBS is just making this worse.

Upgrading to a 4770K will definitely be worthwhile. Alternatively, you could upgrade to a Xeon E3-1230 V3 which offers much the same performance at a lower price. The only downside is that it can't be overclocked and doesn't have an iGPU, but the latter's irrelevant anyway.

 

[ohim]

Why did you even pair a 980Ti with an fx 8350 then ? ofc you need an upgrade. But waiting for the new CPUs means this one will get even cheaper.

 

[Raikozen]

Why did you even pair a 980Ti with an fx 8350 then ? ofc you need an upgrade. But waiting for the new CPUs means this one will get even cheaper.

Why did I even? What does it matter? lol That's not even my question. Lets keep on topic, or not at all.

 

[azzazel_99]

For the sheer over locking headroom and lack of temp problems the 4770k ran into I'd look at Devils canyon and the 4790k. It's basically the 4770k with better thermals. You could also look at the 5820k 6 core (12 threads) for $319 at microcenter

 

[Raikozen]

For the sheer over locking headroom and lack of temp problems the 4770k ran into I'd look at Devils canyon and the 4790k. It's basically the 4770k with better thermals. You could also look at the 5820k 6 core (12 threads) for $319 at microcenter

I'm getting a really good deal from a local store where I live for the 4770k. I think I'll stick with it, and when it becomes completely obsolete (As far as what I need it to do) I'll upgrade.

 

[azzazel_99]

It's still an amazing cpu for sure! Just get a good cooler with it

 

[Raikozen]

It's still an amazing cpu for sure! Just get a good cooler with it

I plan on getting the H115i

I know people really love the Air coolers for performance. But I hate having a big radiator/fan block in my case. CPU liquid coolers make the inside look so much better.