i7 4770k vs i7 3770k vs i5 3570k gaming performance

[Kea]

Hi, this will be my first build and I was wondering which CPU will be the best for my build, I want a future proof, good gaming performance, a bit of overclocking and a bit of programming

Money is not really a problem I can handle the cost, most importantly I wanted you guys help me out or giving me some good advice, thanks in advance!

 

[rgd1101]

here
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-review,3521.html

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Future proof means dropping 3xxxk .... it's already end-of-life

If ya other needs don't require hyperthreading, the 4670k is just fine..... the 4770k does have an extra 100Mhz. If budget no object, ..... 3.5 Ghz is faster than 3.4 right ? ..... then the 4770k is ya CPU....pair it with the MAximus VI Formula, throw on some nice WC and overclock the crap outta it

 

[vinhn]

i5-4670K is the best choice for gaming right now considering it is a mere ~$20 more than Ivy Bridge. Programming, beside major projects do not utilize the hyper-threading offered in i7.

 

[Tradesman1]

Do you use any apps that invoke Hyper Threading? if not then no need for the i7, the 3570K (1155 mobo) would suffice fine as well as the 4670K (1150 mobo), there is no real future proofing so either will be fine, mobos will be moving to DDR4 within a year and next gen CPUs will all come with a new chipset, i.e. you'll be able to run Broadwell (expected release 1st quarter 2015) on a 1150 mobo, but it will be with a then old (Z87) chipset and old DDR3...Price wise can save some going with the 3570K which is about 10% slower than the 4670K clock for clock - but generally OCs higher and runs cooler - so if OCing - it's about break even performance wise

 

[Kea]

Future proof means dropping 3xxxk .... it's already end-of-life

If ya other needs don't require hyperthreading, the 4670k is just fine..... the 4770k does have an extra 100Mhz. If budget no object, ..... 3.5 Ghz is faster than 3.4 right ? ..... then the 4770k is ya CPU....pair it with the MAximus VI Formula, throw on some nice WC and overclock the crap outta it

I don't really care about stock speed, and I heard lots of gamer said that Haswell runs really hot when overclock, is that true or is it ok with just that temperature(60-90 Celsius)

 

[Kea]

I don't really do HT apps, but I do a lot of programming and multi tasking, so is 4670 still fine enough?

 

[Tradesman1]

Yes for most people the 4670K or even 3570K is more than enough, you still have 4 cores so multi tasking is well covered - I haven't had much real need for Hyper -threading in the past so went 3570K on my IB build and it handled just about anything, I do some software evaluation work where Hyper Threading is really needed, but am luck I have a friend/client/neighbor that has a pair of X79 rigs, she allows me free access to

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I don't really care about stock speed, and I heard lots of gamer said that Haswell runs really hot when overclock, is that true or is it ok with just that temperature(60-90 Celsius)

Haswell averages about 10-15% higher benchies than IB..... IB OCs about 6% higher than Haswell.....doing the math.... Haswell comes out on top.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/836?vs=551

More importantly.... ya MoBo craps out in 12 months whaddya do ? Not gonna be any IB replacements around...... now whaddya do w/ ya CPU ?

 

[Tradesman1]

12 months, buy a new IB, Intel will will keep the line around at least untill the release of Broadwell, just as they did with SB up to the release of Haswell (and there are still some SB mobos on the shelves and the SB CPU line still has around 16 or more CPUs available, they maintain 2 Gens of CPUs and the better mobo manufacturers will keep their better selling mobos available about the same....IB will prob extend into Broadwell, much the sam as the 775mobos and CPus extended into the first half of the lifecycle of IB, thought you been in this stuff, well depending on the threads from 12 years ago to 20 years ago, and even a reference to building or rebuilding some Wang computers back around 85?

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I'm not in the habit of providing my users with PC hardware that "is good for 12 months" ..... or happy telling them "ya probbaly can get replacement parts maybe not". What happens after 13, 19 months ? .....

And yes, I have been "in this stuff" for quite some time an had my ass bitten before ..... I already BTDT twice with 1156 ... went looking for Asus replacement boards so as to minimize potential windows activation issues, none available .....let's see what's available now ... one Biostar .... no thanks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138159

Searching for several 1155 boards stats of late to help THG folks answer "Will my board do" questions, ....as time goes on seeing more "We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock" on web sites .

But I can't say it any better than this....so I'll quote it again.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/252/msi-z87-mpower-max-motherboard-review/12/

I don’t think there’s any compelling reason to move from an Ivy Bridge or even a Sandy Bridge based system to a Haswell system– there simply isn’t enough performance and feature differential to justify it. On the other hand, if you’re building a new rig from scratch, there’s little point in investing in end-of-life platforms, so going Haswell/Z87 makes sense.

Sorry, just can't put my users in a position where, even after OC'ing they will get lower performance and they are looking at an end-of-life long before they would if getting Haswell. The 1155 was what January 2011-ish .... Haswell almost 2.5 years later....suffice to say 2.5 years is a long time

As for the wangs rebuilding....should have read all the words in the post ..... no new parts were available... my old firm was dumping a dozen of them cause they couldn't get parts.... I used the "dumpster parts" to cannibalize the bunch into some working boxes.

 

[Tradesman1]

It's simply cyclic, the old days are gone - socket 775 was out for years, Intel decided on two tiers, basic and newer stuff, they came out with the 1366 (tri-channel X58 new stuff) in 2008 followed by basic (dual channel in 09/10), then came the 1155 and 2011 (both the 1366 and the 1156 were discontinued in 2012 over a year after intro of their replacements and available for appr 6 months after CPUs discontinued, (2 + year life cycle), 1155 Sandy Bridge (CPUs discontinued about the release of Haswell (mid 2013 though some still available and the replacement compatible chipset mobos still available along with IB), IB released in 2012, planned to be kept around at least till Broadwell (desktop) estimated in 1st quarter of 2015 - so Ib will be discontinued when Broadwell is released, Haswell shall continue, but there will prob be few that buy a Broadwell and not a new mobo, same as happened w/ IB - few comparatively speaking, bought a IB CPU and didn't get a new mobo with the newer chipsets...expect there will be even fewer that buy Broadwell and use a Haswell mobo because the Broadwell mobos not only will be based on a new Chipset, but will also be sporting DDR4....So effectively with Haswell while the socket will continue, DDR4 will throw things somewhat out of cycle, cutting it's effective life cycle by a year or more ending it with Broadwells release same as the IB will end with the release of Broadwell....

On the Wang, just indicating all the different time frames saying 12 years here, 20 years there, almost 30 years in another

 

[Kea]

Yes for most people the 4670K or even 3570K is more than enough, you still have 4 cores so multi tasking is well covered - I haven't had much real need for Hyper -threading in the past so went 3570K on my IB build and it handled just about anything, I do some software evaluation work where Hyper Threading is really needed, but am luck I have a friend/client/neighbor that has a pair of X79 rigs, she allows me free access to

The price Between i5 3570k and i5 4670k is very less but which perform better? Can it last for 3-5 years? I will be overclock my CPU to 4.3-4.5ghz

 

[Tradesman1]

At 4.3 to 4.5 either should last 3-5 years, The Haswell isn't as proven as the 3570K which came out over a year earlier and runs much hotter, performance wise the the 4670K is about 10% faster, but overall doesn't OC as well so if you OC they about balance out performance wise, I've had my 3570K at 4.7 since shortly after I got with a 212 EVO for cooling, it can easily run 4.9 or 5 but it's a litttle warm for 24/7 at that.

Intel CPUs are rather hardy, seldom ever hear of failure, I know of a number of Q6600s I built back in 2007 that are still running strong, many between 3.6 and 4+ GHz that run basically 24/7.

And you're right, price wise, not much difference, maybe $25 for CPU and mobo (depending on mobo), Might figure the rest of your build and see if the difference would offer something better in the way of a GPU or SSD, it often can

 

[Kea]

At 4.3 to 4.5 either should last 3-5 years, The Haswell isn't as proven as the 3570K which came out over a year earlier and runs much hotter, performance wise the the 4670K is about 10% faster, but overall doesn't OC as well so if you OC they about balance out performance wise, I've had my 3570K at 4.7 since shortly after I got with a 212 EVO for cooling, it can easily run 4.9 or 5 but it's a litttle warm for 24/7 at that.

Intel CPUs are rather hardy, seldom ever hear of failure, I know of a number of Q6600s I built back in 2007 that are still running strong, many between 3.6 and 4+ GHz that run basically 24/7.

And you're right, price wise, not much difference, maybe $25 for CPU and mobo (depending on mobo), Might figure the rest of your build and see if the difference would offer something better in the way of a GPU or SSD, it often can

So, i5 3570k should be powerful enough enough to last 3-5 yrs and performance wise overclock up to 4.6-4.8ghz to reach the same amounts of performance of i5 4670k?

 

[Kea]

And just an question if my mobo is asrock z77 extreme 6 can I still oc up to 4.6-4.8ghz for i5 3570k and also compared to i7 3770k and 4770k which one is better because I might use some apps required HT

 

[Tradesman1]

Yes, to 3-5 years and yes, most all 3570Ks I've worked with can do 4.6 fewer can do 4.8 - when looking at the 370K and the 4770K, it's pretty much the same blend, the 4770K has the same appr 10% better performance - but here the heat comes into effect more than with the i5s, because by nature having HT enabled creates even more heat - the 3770K runs much cooler and is more likely to OC to an even higher ratio over the 4770K than the 3570K over the 4670K

Asus did some testing on a large sampling of 4770Ks and came up with some interest results, of over 200 470K, they found that:

10% could hit 4.8 or better and be stable
30% " " 4.6
20% " " 4.4
70% " " 4.5

so 30% of 40Ks couldn't even get to 4.5 and only 30% could hit 4.6 or above, so for 4.6 or better the odds are against getting a CPU that can hit 4.6

 

[Kea]

Yes, to 3-5 years and yes, most all 3570Ks I've worked with can do 4.6 fewer can do 4.8 - when looking at the 370K and the 4770K, it's pretty much the same blend, the 4770K has the same appr 10% better performance - but here the heat comes into effect more than with the i5s, because by nature having HT enabled creates even more heat - the 3770K runs much cooler and is more likely to OC to an even higher ratio over the 4770K than the 3570K over the 4670K

Asus did some testing on a large sampling of 4770Ks and came up with some interest results, of over 200 470K, they found that:

10% could hit 4.8 or better and be stable
30% " " 4.6
20% " " 4.4
70% " " 4.5

so 30% of 40Ks couldn't even get to 4.5 and only 30% could hit 4.6 or above, so for 4.6 or better the odds are against getting a CPU that can hit 4.6

So for gaming and programming user which CPU will u suggest? i5 3570k or i7 4770k? Or will you choose Haswell?

 

[Tradesman1]

Think you meant 3570K or 3770K, but to be honest, it's up in the air, I still use my 3570K as much or more than my Haswell 4770K, which in part I built for letting clients see and play with and also I've happened on some work that requires a need for Hyper threading...most of my folks that are in and out of the shop want to use the 4770K and I'm good with using my 3750K...Love both of them, but unless you have or anticipate a requirement for HT the the 3570K or 4670K will more than suffice for most

 

[andrewskaterrr]

At 4.3 to 4.5 either should last 3-5 years, The Haswell isn't as proven as the 3570K which came out over a year earlier and runs much hotter, performance wise the the 4670K is about 10% faster, but overall doesn't OC as well so if you OC they about balance out performance wise, I've had my 3570K at 4.7 since shortly after I got with a 212 EVO for cooling, it can easily run 4.9 or 5 but it's a litttle warm for 24/7 at that.

Intel CPUs are rather hardy, seldom ever hear of failure, I know of a number of Q6600s I built back in 2007 that are still running strong, many between 3.6 and 4+ GHz that run basically 24/7.

And you're right, price wise, not much difference, maybe $25 for CPU and mobo (depending on mobo), Might figure the rest of your build and see if the difference would offer something better in the way of a GPU or SSD, it often can

How in the world are you hitting 4.7 with a 212 EVO?? I must know! I have that same set up and at 4.4ghz I hit 87c on two cores and 93c on other two with IntelBurnTest. 4.2ghz it pushes the max recommended temp of 75c on two and 67 on other two. Now I've been running at 4.4ghz and gaming is fine because it's no stress test.

 

[Tradesman1]

Went through a few 3570K before settling on this one, it's about as Golden as I've found. What's your vCore? Have you lowered the PLL? how about the VCCSA? May want to pull your 212 and reapply thermal compound, I use A5, might also change the main fan and add one on the back - the cooler comes with brackets for a rear fan