i7 4790 lagging behind AMD Phenom II X2 550 WHY?

[Ravi Sankar]

I got disappointed with the Results of Unigine 4 benchmarkings of my new PC (compared with old PC)...
Can anyone please explain

For both the setups, I used same Unigine settings
Setup1(Old): Min Frames:3, Max Frames:16
Setup2(New): Min Frames:2, Max Frames: 13.2

Why the new setup is giving less frames ...


Setup1:
CPU: AMD Phenom II x2 550
RAM: Dolgix 8GB (4+4 GB) 1333
Graphics: Radeon 4650 with 256MB GDDR4
MotherBoard: Biostar T890GX


Setup2:
CPU: Intel i7 4790
RAM: Corsair 8Gb single stick 1600
Graphics: Radeon 4650 with 256MB GDDR4
MotherBoard: MSI Z97 PC Mate

(I have used same display card in both the setups)

I doubted on i7 CPU, so performed health test with software from Intel's own website, CPU passed

 

[Wayfall]

Erm temps dude what are the temps...as the i7 runs very hot if your not using a beefy cooler and in so throttles.

 

[Ravi Sankar]

Erm temps dude what are the temps...as the i7 runs very hot if your not using a beefy cooler and in so throttles.

Temperature of i7 was in between 50-60 but GPU temperature was peaked till 65 deg

I have changed the RAM from 1333 Dolgix to Corsair 8GB 1600 but there is almost no change in the results

One more information I missed

During test i7 utilization was in between 10-20 only ... where as the Phenom 550 utilization was around 50-60% ... CPu is not bottlenecked and GPU is same in both the setups, but why new setup is behind

 

[ohim]

The GPU is the problem .. it can`t do much better .. dude .. you have a GPU with 256 MB of ram ... even a phone has better than that .

 

[Ravi Sankar]

The GPU is the problem .. it can`t do much better .. dude .. you have a GPU with 256 MB of ram ... even a phone has better than that .

If GPU was the problem why it is performing better with old setup?

 

[ktolo]

The GPU is the problem .. it can`t do much better .. dude .. you have a GPU with 256 MB of ram ... even a phone has better than that .

If GPU was the problem why it is performing better with old setup?

Dunno? Dual channel memory, maybe?

 

[Ravi Sankar]

I want to share what made me to get new PC ... I brought Zotac GTX 970 Omega Graphics card and fixed on my old PC ...
->It worked fine for one Hour...
->And after My PC got switched off suddenly ...
-> I suspected PSU, and finally it is fine
-> Figured it out that Graphics card died but along with this it took away my X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Sound card. So Sound card and Graphics card got died together

I switched to Intel i7 PC ... I expected more with i7 but all are collapsed with the unigine benchmark results ...

Asus Strix GTX 970 on the way ... before that I want to know why i7 performing poor

(My OLD Phenom 555 PC With Zotac GTX 970 Gave Min FPS: 18 Max FPS: 45+ with all Maximum settings but card died in an hour)

 

[Ravi Sankar]

The GPU is the problem .. it can`t do much better .. dude .. you have a GPU with 256 MB of ram ... even a phone has better than that .

If GPU was the problem why it is performing better with old setup?

Dunno? Dual channel memory, maybe?

If Dual channel is the issue, why i7 is giving same results with Single Corsair 1600 8GB vs two Dolgix 1333 4+4GB

 

[ktolo]

The GPU is the problem .. it can`t do much better .. dude .. you have a GPU with 256 MB of ram ... even a phone has better than that .

If GPU was the problem why it is performing better with old setup?

Dunno? Dual channel memory, maybe?

If Dual channel is the issue, why i7 is giving same results with Single Corsair 1600 8GB vs two Dolgix 1333 4+4GB

There won't be much difference anyway, since the intel is running at 1600 (but single channel) and the AMD was 1333 but dual channel,.

 

[ohim]

Try a game that is made for that GPU .. like Quake 3 😛

 

[Ravi Sankar]

The GPU is the problem .. it can`t do much better .. dude .. you have a GPU with 256 MB of ram ... even a phone has better than that .

If GPU was the problem why it is performing better with old setup?

Dunno? Dual channel memory, maybe?

If Dual channel is the issue, why i7 is giving same results with Single Corsair 1600 8GB vs two Dolgix 1333 4+4GB

There won't be much difference anyway, since the intel is running at 1600 (but single channel) and the AMD was 1333 but dual channel,.

There is almost same FPS with the Setup --- i7 with Dual Channel vs Single channel

 

[Ravi Sankar]

Try a game that is made for that GPU .. like Quake 3 😛

I doubted here on CPU ,if I test for GPU, I do not think it will be helpful ... anyways my GPU is getting replaced with GTX 970 Strix ... I want to make sure that mobo+cpu are not defective

 

[ohim]

Try a game that is made for that GPU .. like Quake 3 😛

I doubted here on CPU ,if I test for GPU, I do not think it will be helpful ... anyways my GPU is getting replaced with GTX 970 Strix ... I want to make sure that mobo+cpu are not defective

dude, you`re testing a 256 MB video card on modern titles ... i`m amazed that the damn thing even got the game running ... I play Battlefield 4 and i get 2.3 GB of video ram usage, you have 256 MB .. that`s 0.2 GB of ram.

 

[Ravi Sankar]

Try a game that is made for that GPU .. like Quake 3 😛

I doubted here on CPU ,if I test for GPU, I do not think it will be helpful ... anyways my GPU is getting replaced with GTX 970 Strix ... I want to make sure that mobo+cpu are not defective

dude, you`re testing a 256 MB video card on modern titles ... i`m amazed that the damn thing even got the game running ... I play Battlefield 4 and i get 2.3 GB of video ram usage, you have 256 MB .. that`s 0.2 GB of ram.

You are correct ... I should not use 256 MB GPU with modern setup ... fact is GTX 970 on the way, in the mean time, I fixed this old GPU to new setup (it will sit till my gtx 970 comes) ... Just I am interested to know the reason why new Setup with Old GPU is performing worse than New Setup with Old GPU ... AND ... to make sure that my new hardware is not defective

 

[Wayfall]

Even standard current games use about 500-800mb of VRAM while high end games use 1.2 - 2.1GB and even 3.2GB of RAM these are the most common VRAM usages I see in my many games, which I have many of.

 

[4Ryan6]

I want to share what made me to get new PC ... I brought Zotac GTX 970 Omega Graphics card and fixed on my old PC ...
->It worked fine for one Hour...
->And after My PC got switched off suddenly ...
-> I suspected PSU, and finally it is fine
-> Figured it out that Graphics card died but along with this it took away my X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Sound card. So Sound card and Graphics card got died together

I switched to Intel i7 PC ... I expected more with i7 but all are collapsed with the unigine benchmark results ...

Asus Strix GTX 970 on the way ... before that I want to know why i7 performing poor

(My OLD Phenom 555 PC With Zotac GTX 970 Gave Min FPS: 18 Max FPS: 45+ with all Maximum settings but card died in an hour)

I am more concerned regarding your hardware losses, I have never heard of a GPU failure taking a Sound Card with it?

That is more of a Power Supply failure taking multiple hardware components?

->It worked fine for one Hour...
->And after My PC got switched off suddenly ...
-> I suspected PSU, and finally it is fine

Are you absolutely positive the Power Supply is OK?

Did you use a multi-meter and check the power supply voltage output?

How do you know, that those failures have not damaged the motherboard?

I would want to be 100% sure before I plugged in your RMA'd GPU.

 

[Ravi Sankar]

I want to share what made me to get new PC ... I brought Zotac GTX 970 Omega Graphics card and fixed on my old PC ...
->It worked fine for one Hour...
->And after My PC got switched off suddenly ...
-> I suspected PSU, and finally it is fine
-> Figured it out that Graphics card died but along with this it took away my X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Sound card. So Sound card and Graphics card got died together

I switched to Intel i7 PC ... I expected more with i7 but all are collapsed with the unigine benchmark results ...

Asus Strix GTX 970 on the way ... before that I want to know why i7 performing poor

(My OLD Phenom 555 PC With Zotac GTX 970 Gave Min FPS: 18 Max FPS: 45+ with all Maximum settings but card died in an hour)

I am more concerned regarding your hardware losses, I have never heard of a GPU failure taking a Sound Card with it?

That is more of a Power Supply failure taking multiple hardware components?

->It worked fine for one Hour...
->And after My PC got switched off suddenly ...
-> I suspected PSU, and finally it is fine

Are you absolutely positive the Power Supply is OK?
I think it is OK ... BTW I have not told PSU right, my PSU is Corsair 550
tested with Biostar TA890GX mobo
Tested with i7+MSI PC Mate ...
How I am sure that Corsiar PSU is OK because, I have another backup PSU also (iBall 600W) and tested with Both PSUs after Zotac GTX 970 died, both PSUs same in Tests

Did you use a multi-meter and check the power supply voltage output?
Not tested with Multi Meter

How do you know, that those failures have not damaged the motherboard?

FYI ... Zotac died when it was fixed on my Old Mobo, Zotac Never placed on New mobo
-> After Zotac 970 died, My Sound card Driver was showing up with a Message, No hardware found, I cleaned and re-sit the card but same result, so concluded Sound card died, BTW, sound card is unable to get detected on new Mother board also
-> Technically these failures not damaged Motherboard because, like if something goes wrong, fuse will be open right, so there is something wrong happened with Zotac and My Old PC, Sound card died and saved Mobo ...
-> Physically Old Mobo is working fine because it is fine with OS booting and running Games, Unigine etc working as like before


I would want to be 100% sure before I plugged in your RMA'd GPU.

 

[Ravi Sankar]

Keeping all aside ... can anyone of you people tell me (if you know) ... What is the Unigine benchmark result with the Combination i7 4790 + MSI Z97 PC MATE when built-in graphics used (regardless to the RAM) so that I can compare the result straight away and figure it out what is wrong with my hardware

 

[NubUser]

why dont you just use the igpu of the i7 it is a lot better than that Radeon 4650, and for sure you are using a crap psu, you are going to burn all your new hardware

 

[Ravi Sankar]

why dont you just use the igpu of the i7 it is a lot better than that Radeon 4650, and for sure you are using a crap psu, you are going to burn all your new hardware

Onboard graphics is very poor compared with my Old Radeon, ... If I use Onboard Graphics and run Unigine, it will be almost like system freeze and even not able to move mouse curser to Benchmark button

 

[Ravi Sankar]

why dont you just use the igpu of the i7 it is a lot better than that Radeon 4650, and for sure you are using a crap psu, you are going to burn all your new hardware

Onboard graphics is very poor compared with my Old Radeon, ... If I use Onboard Graphics and run Unigine, it will be almost like system freeze and even not able to move mouse curser to Benchmark button

Please see the unigine heaven ultra settings comparison and let me know if you could justify why i7 is lagging
http://imgur.com/8CUNShb

 

[Gamer1985]

Your GPU is bottlenecking your CPU. Your new CPU needs a better Graphics card to truly show its superior potential benchmarking in Unigine. Once you change your GPU try running the benchmark again. As the above mentioned, make sure you test your PSU, I would be concerned having another component die if your power supply is having problems.

 

[helpstar]

Just update your bios of the motherboard to version 4.A
You can find it on the msi website

Did you do a fresh install of windows? After upgrading the hardware? If not, that's the problem.
After fresh installing windows, install the drivers from the Intel website, Z97 chipset and Intel HD graphics drivers.

Which power supply is it exactly ?

 

[Ravi Sankar]

Just update your bios of the motherboard to version 4.A
You can find it on the msi website

Did you do a fresh install of windows? After upgrading the hardware? If not, that's the problem.
After fresh installing windows, install the drivers from the Intel website, Z97 chipset and Intel HD graphics drivers.

Which power supply is it exactly ?

May be you are correct ... Fresh Windows installation not done
(Why I could not do Fresh installation because, Disk is in MBR but Installation require GPT style disk, I cannot change to GPT as my disk contain so much of important data ... after data backup ... I will try fresh and redo the test and let you know the result)

Drivers installed from MOBO DVD ... not from the Intel website
PowerSupply Corsair VS550

it seems you are close to the solution

 

[NubUser]

why dont you just use the igpu of the i7 it is a lot better than that Radeon 4650, and for sure you are using a crap psu, you are going to burn all your new hardware

Onboard graphics is very poor compared with my Old Radeon, ... If I use Onboard Graphics and run Unigine, it will be almost like system freeze and even not able to move mouse curser to Benchmark button

Are you crazy the HD Graphics 4600 is better than that outdated GPU