I7 8700k alternative

[gordonvlasic]

Looking for a CPU alternative to the i7 8700k due to Meltdown and Spectre. Current price and performance of the 8700k

 

[kanewolf]

There is no alternative.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

They are all somewhat affected (INTEL} ...Ryzen a little less though.

 

[gordonvlasic]

I mean, meltdown and Spectre set back CPU speeds for year or two? We won’t see comparable speeds for awhile?

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

New releases of CPU's in the future should have the FLAWS fixed.

 

[gordonvlasic]

So possibly 9th generation? Will they be up to par with the 8700k or a little behind in terms of speed and performance? Will the pricing be completely fucked? Or somewhat reasonable also like the 8700k?

 

[ingtar33]

They are all somewhat affected (INTEL} ...Ryzen a little less though.

Ryzen is affected by one variant of specter if you turn off a setting in the bios and your OS is Linux. Stating that Ryzen is affected "slightly less so" is propaganda by Intel and/or misinformation from a gullible or a tech illiterate press who can't read the whitepapers. There is a windows patch for OLDER AMD chips which ARE affected by specter in the windows environment (none for Ryzen because Ryzen is unaffected in windows).

By the way, there is no patch for Intel for 1 variant of specter, as apparently that variant is basically unpatchable at this time (that variant has no effect on AMD/Ryzen).

So possibly 9th generation? Will they be up to par with the 8700k or a little behind in terms of speed and performance? Will the pricing be completely fucked? Or somewhat reasonable also like the 8700k?

intel will need to completely redesign their CPUs from the ground up to fix this issue as this issue is due to basic design "optimizations" in their x86 design which has existed since the original Pentium. there are no plans to do so for the next several generations of intel chips. so no, I don't expect this to be "designed" out in the next generation.

 

[gordonvlasic]

So we won’t see equivalent performance for possible a year or so? Or atleast 3or 4 gens?

 

[13thmonkey]

apparently skylake onwards are less impacted by the fix than older generations. It is not a 30% drop in most cases, so don't even think that.

You have a choice to buy the fastest available right now, so either socket 2066, or 8700k, or threadripper. There is nothing else to buy, so if you need a machine, buy it, if you don't then don't.

 

[gordonvlasic]

Ok, thankyou for the clarification. This leads to my next question, how should I go about a new pc, wait due to ram and GPU inflation thanks to mining? Will that get better or worse with time? Due I buy ASAP due to parts skyrocketing with Minimum wage increase in potential parts and even crytocurrency mining getting worse? Should I go all out; or just another middle step PC for the meanwhile?

 

[13thmonkey]

I think the current view on RAM is that it will stay high for some time, perhaps 9+months, perhaps forever if there is not enough competition to encourage price drops and capacity increases. GPU's, who knows.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-does-patching-cpu-security-flaws-impact-gaming-performance

First bit of analysis I've found, it gives you an idea for gaming.

 

[EpIckFa1LJoN]

I think this is getting blown a tad out of proportion.

It's not really THAT big of a deal, especially if all you're doing is gaming. DX11 loads on 6th gen and up takes almost no hit (the processor is not being run at full capacity anyways for most i5's and i7's) WCS some select unoptimized games receive a small hit (probably WoW will get even harder to raid, MAYBE). The main hit is to heavy-workloads and then it's estimated to be a 2-7% hit on 8th gen chips.

If you're doing those kinds of workloads Ryzen is better already anyways. And since the price drop in Ryzen chips, the 1800x is now the same price as the 8700k. For gaming the 8700k is still better, but for workstation type loads, the 1800x is a clear winner. The only thing the 8700k had going for it was gaming performance and the fact that it was almost half the price of the 1800x. Now that they are the same price you would choose one based on what you are doing. (8700k for gaming, 1800x for workstation)


People talking like the performance won't get back to these levels for 3 or 4 generations.. that's just ridiculous. Performance from 7th to 8th alone for workstation loads is more than 15%. Next gen no one will even remember this.

 

[EpIckFa1LJoN]

BTW: It is believed MELTDOWN only affects Intel CPU's it is not sure if AMD is affected or not.
SPECTRE affects everything it's software related.