Question I7-9700k or I9-9900k?

Sep 24, 2019
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Here’s my build:

Motherboard:
MSI MEG Z390 ACE

Graphic card:
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO

RAM:
Team Group Night Hawk RGB 16 GB DDR4 4000 MHz

All In One Liquid Cooler:
Thermaltake Floe Riing RGB 360 TT Premium Edition

Fans:
Thermaltake Riing Plus 12 RGB Radiator Fan TT

Power supply:
Seasonic Focus Plus 850W

SSD:
Intel 660p 1TB

Case:
LIAN LI PC-O11 Dynamic Designed by Razer

What CPU should I choose?
 
What do you plan on doing with your computer? Gaming wise the two CPUs are very similar right now, with the 9900k potentially being a slightly better choice longterm if games start scaling across more threads. Productivity would favour the 9900k as you get more threads though a Ryzen CPU would probably be better for productivity at a similar or even lower price point.
 
What do you plan on doing with your computer? Gaming wise the two CPUs are very similar right now, with the 9900k potentially being a slightly better choice longterm if games start scaling across more threads. Productivity would favour the 9900k as you get more threads though a Ryzen CPU would probably be better for productivity at a similar or even lower price point.
I agree with you,ryzen 3rd gen are really awesome if u are ok to go with amd go for it save money and get performance, now thats a deal
 
Is it for gaming?

Like i'm saying in other threads, more cores, even logical ones, are always welcome. So if you can spent money on i9 9900k, why not? Future games will need more than 8 cores.

For now both have the same gaming performance.
 
For me the 9700K unless you have some serious professional workloads. The 9700K as far as gaming is concerned is just fractions of the 9900K and I mean fractions, just a few frames here and there.

Everything else on your build is pretty much top end so if you want the very best then the 9900K but you will be paying quiet a bit more for it and the value on the gaming side is the 9700K...If you can afford the 9900K, then no issues...
 
Everyone is forgetting that people don't waste a lot of money on CPU to change it a couple of yes later.

If you can buy a 9900K, go for it. It have 16 logical cores and this will make HUGE difference in the next years since PS5 will be launched with 16 logical cores too.

Mark my words. It happened with 6400 (4 logical cores) x 6700 (8 logical cores). People that have 6400 are struggling to play at least 10 to 15 games from 2017 to now. Basically every modern game is causing stuttering on these CPUs because they just don't have enough core to play these games. In that time, they have basically the same performance in every game.

The absolutely same thing will happens with 9700k soon. It is not a prophecy. It is a knowledge based on data.
 
Mark my words. It happened with 6400 (4 logical cores) x 6700 (8 logical cores). People that have 6400 are struggling to play at least 10 to 15 games from 2017 to now. Basically every modern game is causing stuttering on these CPUs because they just don't have enough core to play these games. In that time, they have basically the same performance in every game.

Yet, that 4 logical cores for the i5 vs 8 logical cores for the i7 has been a thing since 2011, starting with the Sandy Bridge processors. That didn't change for 5 years. Until the last year or two, there was no reason to upgrade to a newer generation Intel.

So, picking the second to last generation of Intel's CPUs as your reference point really isn't a proper way to analyze this.
 
He's paying up to double for a 2080ti than I paid for my 1080ti, depending on the country. Why are you arguing over if he should pay a little more for 9900k or the 9700k?? CPUs get replaced much much much slower than GPUs unless you're full of money and/or slightly stupid. Therefore the 9900k is the solid, more future proof, simple solution.

I'd even suggest to rather get the 9900k and a weaker GPU over the 9700k and the 2080ti if that is an issue. Since the next generation will either be much cheaper or lack the mandatory overpriced RTX stamp while also improving on the last generation by at least 30% which is usually what Nvidia does.

YOU DON'T CHANGE YOUR CPU AS OFTEN AS YOUR GPU.
 
He's paying up to double for a 2080ti than I paid for my 1080ti, depending on the country. Why are you arguing over if he should pay a little more for 9900k or the 9700k?? CPUs get replaced much much much slower than GPUs unless you're full of money and/or slightly stupid. Therefore the 9900k is the solid, more future proof, simple solution.

I'd even suggest to rather get the 9900k and a weaker GPU over the 9700k and the 2080ti if that is an issue. Since the next generation will either be much cheaper or lack the mandatory overpriced RTX stamp while also improving on the last generation by at least 30% which is usually what Nvidia does.

YOU DON'T CHANGE YOUR CPU AS OFTEN AS YOUR GPU.

You don't know what resolution/refresh rate the OP is running.

And your argument makes no sense, considering how little of a gain you get with the 9900k vs the 9700k for gaming. How many games do you know if that require more than 8 threads?
 
Even if the 9700K does almost as well now, one would have to assume the extra threads might help later....in games a year or two from now....or even three years from now.

My opinion, if you have the money, opt for the 9900KF when on sale...(they were on sale for $419 briefly a month or so ago...)
 
Even reviewers with all the CPUs and GPUs in the world still use the 9900k in reviews, no matter how much they said "Intel is dead, AMD killed them, omg AMD so good", because of better performance. And as I said many times, there is a reason Intel didn't manage to upgrade their technology to something smaller, with smaller architecture and stuff, any very small defect or issue, may make the whole CPU stop working or die completely.

And while for many people this may come as a shock but you don't need to upgrade your CPU (and usually with this, your motherboard and RAM too, usually) every year.
I had a 4770k OC for 7-8 years, no issues, ran perfectly, still kept close to newer CPUs, beat the crap out of the first Ryzen generation still. And yet I still regretted many times I didn't see or know there is a 4790k which is better and at the same price.

Now if he plans to switch around his system every year or so, he could probably get a 8700k and be happy, he could get a third generation Ryzen and be happy (tho from what I still saw or heard, they are still a pain to make work as intended or even OC properly), he could get a 9700k or a 9900k and be happy, sure. But if he plans to keep his CPU for at least 3 years, I would very much recommend, to someone that buys a 2080ti, to get the 9900k. I'd rather he buys a 2080 but gets the 9900k (if you are asking why, it's because changing your GPU and selling your old one, is much easier to do from generation to generation).

"How many games do you know if that require more than 8 threads?" well why are you talking about Ryzen then anyway, all Ryzen CPUs still lose by a margin to Intel. Secondly this is a future proof build. For someone that can afford a 2080ti it seems like a shame if in 3 years or so, some new games take better advantage of more threads so he now needs to change his entire system, to fit a new generation CPU, or worse, buy the 9900k after wasting money on the 9700k because some "dude that is kinda into PCs" thought he can give his opinion without any real arguments and not reading the whole conversation.

tl;dr
Get the 9900k if you don't plan on changing your whole system again in 2-3 years or less. Otherwise get anything from a 8700k, 9700k, even a Ryzen 3700x tho you will lose fps in gaming.
 
Even reviewers with all the CPUs and GPUs in the world still use the 9900k in reviews, no matter how much they said "Intel is dead, AMD killed them, omg AMD so good", because of better performance. And as I said many times, there is a reason Intel didn't manage to upgrade their technology to something smaller, with smaller architecture and stuff, any very small defect or issue, may make the whole CPU stop working or die completely.

Generally done because they want to ensure that when measuring GPU performance, there's no bottleneck in terms of frame rates - ie: whatever the FPS you get is limited by the video card, not the CPU. This is particularly useful when testing high end video cards at low resolution.

Most people don't run top end cards at 1080p.

And while for many people this may come as a shock but you don't need to upgrade your CPU (and usually with this, your motherboard and RAM too, usually) every year.
I had a 4770k OC for 7-8 years, no issues, ran perfectly, still kept close to newer CPUs, beat the crap out of the first Ryzen generation still. And yet I still regretted many times I didn't see or know there is a 4790k which is better and at the same price.

My son's still got a Sandy Bridge i5 at his mother's house, which handles his needs just fine. Likewise with my own Haswell i5.

The 4790k, with ~10% higher clock speed, same number of cores and threads, was released at the same price as the 4770k, but ONE YEAR later. So, not at all the same situation as with the 9700k/9900k, except for the fact that real-world performance gain was minimal, if noticeable at all.
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Now if he plans to switch around his system every year or so, he could probably get a 8700k and be happy, he could get a third generation Ryzen and be happy (tho from what I still saw or heard, they are still a pain to make work as intended or even OC properly), he could get a 9700k or a 9900k and be happy, sure. But if he plans to keep his CPU for at least 3 years, I would very much recommend, to someone that buys a 2080ti, to get the 9900k. I'd rather he buys a 2080 but gets the 9900k (if you are asking why, it's because changing your GPU and selling your old one, is much easier to do from generation to generation).

Why? 3 years? You think in 3 years that 8 threads for gaming will be obsolete?

And, again, you don't know what resolution/refresh the OP is going to use. So you can't make the "get the better CPU and step down to a lesser GPU" argument.

"How many games do you know if that require more than 8 threads?" well why are you talking about Ryzen then anyway, all Ryzen CPUs still lose by a margin to Intel.
Really? In what scenarios? And YOU are the one that brought up the need for more threads. You seem to think that only 8 threads will be obsolete in 3 years.


Secondly this is a future proof build.
There is no such thing.

For someone that can afford a 2080ti it seems like a shame if in 3 years or so, some new games take better advantage of more threads so he now needs to change his entire system, to fit a new generation CPU, or worse, buy the 9900k after wasting money on the 9700k because some "dude that is kinda into PCs" thought he can give his opinion without any real arguments and not reading the whole conversation.
So, your argument is that the OP will, in 3 years, need to buy a 9900k to replace his 9700k? Based on what, exactly?

tl;dr
Get the 9900k if you don't plan on changing your whole system again in 2-3 years or less. Otherwise get anything from a 8700k, 9700k, even a Ryzen 3700x tho you will lose fps in gaming.
This is not good advice at all. The OP isn't after benchmark numbers, but is interested in gaming. You can't play the "you need more threads" for half your argument, then turn around and say "but Ryzen's bad because more threads are less important than speed."