Question i9-14900K/KS degradation issue ?

[MnsoonMally]

I'm speccing up a new PC for building early next year, and am considering going with the newer Intel architecture.

However, with the newer architecture being available, no doubt it will bring the prices down of the i9 CPU and motherboards, etc.

One reason for potentially not buying the i9, is due to the reported degradation issue - largely I suspect, due to heavy overclocking.

Has anyone on here actually had any experience of this issue? I'd like to understand how significant, common, and the potential reasoning behind it, in more detail.

 

[Lafong]

Just from observation, it seems like a major stumbling block is whether or not you choose to believe if the Intel fix really fixes anything.

Skeptics abound with a lot of hand to hand fighting on the AMD/Intel front lines, both on forums and the dreaded Youtube.

I doubt if many minds will change, at least in the shorter run till we get some rear-view mirror perspective. Maybe not even then.

 

[MnsoonMally]

Just from observation, it seems like a major stumbling block is whether or not you choose to believe if the Intel fix really fixes anything.

Skeptics abound with a lot of hand to hand fighting on the AMD/Intel front lines, both on forums and the dreaded Youtube.

I doubt if many minds will change, at least in the shorter run till we get some rear-view mirror perspective. Maybe not even then.

You make a very, very good point. People, I guess, are entrenched in their perspectives, for whatever reason.

As the parts for my new rig won't be bought until at the earliest, mid-January, probably actually February, it gives some time to ascertain more information on this, and it's 'fix'.

Also more time, to decide between technologies; ideally, I'd stick with Intel having had a build of their tech, that lasted me very very well for 13 years good usage.

Intel Old v Intel New v AMD is very much a 3-way path right now, and unclear which to take.

Intel Old won't get any faster' end of range. Potential historical issues.
Intel New isn't much faster than Intel Old right now; pricier for the supporting hardware; and with potential unknowns not yet discovered.
AMD new CPU due out 'soon' might spank Intel for speed. But I'm reluctant to change from what I know.

I have until mid-January (at least) to determine which is the best path.

 

[Lafong]

You make a very, very good point. People, I guess, are entrenched in their perspectives, for whatever reason.

Yep. Entrenched. Knives in their teeth. It's fabulous, annoying, and completely predictable. Right out of a 4th grade schoolyard. "I know you are, but what am I" and so forth.

I'm kind of where you are, but looking for a bit lower spec than you. Considering AMD, 14600K, 245K, and 265K.

Have you rejected the rumored Bartlett Lake? I guess introduction date quite unclear. No E cores? 1851 socket I think.

 

[MnsoonMally]

Yep. Entrenched. Knives in their teeth. It's fabulous, annoying, and completely predictable. Right out of a 4th grade schoolyard. "I know you are, but what am I" and so forth.

I'm kind where you are, but looking for a bit lower spec than you. Considering AMD, 14600K, 245K, and 265K.

Have you rejected the rumored Bartlett Lake? I guess introduction date quite unclear. No E cores? 1851 socket I think.

I'm keeping an eye on LGA1851, as it's my current preferred technology.

But the latest 285K CPU isn't fast enough as it is; isn't properly supported by the latest Win11Pro version update; might have issues we're not aware of yet.

But I do anticipate faster chips to come out, probably in the new year, to alleviate some reticence due to speed. But AMD might just massively trump that, too, which might be a deal-breaker.

I've a good budget, in two parts, as when I commit I want 10+ years of top, then very good performance (my last build gave me 13 years worth, and was still reasonable when it went pop earlier in the year.

Over 10 years, I can budget 1GBP per day for the new build (all items), and 1GBP per day for upgrades and new tech items; plus, my 3060TI is good enough to put into the new build, until FS2024 is stable, and newer GPU's cheaper, probably summer 2025.

 

[geofelt]

There is a lot of FUD around about Intel 13/14 problems.
Intel confirms that the root cause has been found and fixes are out:
https://www.techradar.com/computing...ly-fixed-but-some-owners-may-still-be-worried
And, warranties have been extended.
If you were buying today, a I9-14900K is a good deal.

Buying the latest gen from either AMD or Intel today, is likely to have some initial issues, mostly fixed via bios updates.
New products usually carry a 15% boost in price/performance.
But, early adopters will push up prices.
I would wait. Intel 285K looks to be a bit better. Multi thread performance which is what FS2024 will need looks good.

 

[MnsoonMally]

I'm quite fortunate as not being able to make a buy decision until at least mid-January, maybe a little later.

Hopefully, things will be a little clearer regarding hardware options, and pricing, by then.