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Do anyone know, where I can find a collection of ingredients and potion
icons, or alternative how I can extract them from gamefiles.

TIA Skjoldmø
 
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> Do anyone know, where I can find a collection of ingredients and potion
> icons, or alternative how I can extract them from gamefiles.

Pls. don't multipost (posting same content to different groups in separate
messages).
Use crosspost instead - and limit the no. of groups in the list to minimum.

See my response in alt.games.morrowind.
 
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:21:35 +0800, with the help of 10,000 Little
Computer Monkeys (LCM'S) "KC Wong" <my@privacy.net> wrote:

>> Do anyone know, where I can find a collection of ingredients and potion
>> icons, or alternative how I can extract them from gamefiles.
>
>Pls. don't multipost (posting same content to different groups in separate
>messages).
>Use crosspost instead - and limit the no. of groups in the list to minimum.
>
>See my response in alt.games.morrowind.
>
Please Don't Crosspost!

I don't know where you got your info, however I've been visiting and
posting to plenty of newsgroups since 1995 and I've seen hundreds, if
not thousands of people get roasted and in quite a few cases have
complaints sent to their ISP's for them Crossposting. And I can safely
say that you're the First person I've EVER seen get upset with someone
for making seperate same content posts to more than one newsgroup!

Skjoldmø was asking a valid question and he did the right thing by
posting his question in seperate posts to this and the
alt.games.morrowind newsgroups since they are the two best groups where
he might find someone able to answer his question.

Granted things MIGHT be different in text groups, however in the Binary
groups Spammers like to use Crossposts to find other active groups for
them to post their Spam to. 🙁 And because of that if nothing else,
most regulars in the binary groups DON'T like Crossposters even if their
posts are on-topic for the groups they're posted to!

With all that said, it is nice that you answered Skjoldmø's post in the
alt.games.morrowind newsgroup.


That's my 2¢,

FTA


"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

-Martin Luther King Jr.
 
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@FTA and Skjoldm:

> Please Don't Crosspost!
>
> I don't know where you got your info, however I've been visiting and
> posting to plenty of newsgroups since 1995 and I've seen hundreds, if
> not thousands of people get roasted and in quite a few cases have
> complaints sent to their ISP's for them Crossposting. And I can safely
> say that you're the First person I've EVER seen get upset with someone
> for making seperate same content posts to more than one newsgroup!

IMHO irrelevant, unmaintained (not trimming the newsgroups list before
sending) crosspost is bad. Very bad.
But for *on-topic*, *small-sized* (e.g. 1 to 3 groups) crosspost is okay.

e.g. alt.games.elder-scrolls is about the Elder Scroll series, and
alt.games.morrowind is about Morrowind. You have a question about Morrowind,
so both groups are 100% on-topic. To up the chance of finding people to
discuss/with answers/ideas, you post to both groups. People reading both
groups won't find the thread twice, and the poster doesn't have to check
both places.

With that said, though, I don't crosspost a lot... *smack myself in the
forehead*
Skjoldm, please forget what I said.

> Granted things MIGHT be different in text groups, however in the Binary
> groups Spammers like to use Crossposts to find other active groups for
> them to post their Spam to. 🙁 And because of that if nothing else,
> most regulars in the binary groups DON'T like Crossposters even if their
> posts are on-topic for the groups they're posted to!

Ah. I don't know that... I seldom visit binary groups. Thanks for telling me
about it.

> With all that said, it is nice that you answered Skjoldm?s post in the
> alt.games.morrowind newsgroup.

That's what newsgroups are for: a free, easy-to-access vault of knowledge
(answers and clever, aspiring discussion) and stupidity (flame wars, spam,
childish argue and wrong answers) 🙂


KC
 
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FTA <FTA@fake.email> wrote in
news:g0bic0psfcnsugohs2ohpnk02qhhektoa6@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:21:35 +0800, with the help of 10,000 Little
> Computer Monkeys (LCM'S) "KC Wong" <my@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> Do anyone know, where I can find a collection of ingredients and
>>> potion icons, or alternative how I can extract them from
>>> gamefiles.
>>
>>Pls. don't multipost (posting same content to different groups in
>>separate messages).
>>Use crosspost instead - and limit the no. of groups in the list to
>>minimum.
>>
>>See my response in alt.games.morrowind.
>>
> Please Don't Crosspost!
>
> I don't know where you got your info, however I've been visiting and
> posting to plenty of newsgroups since 1995 and I've seen hundreds,
> if not thousands of people get roasted and in quite a few cases have
> complaints sent to their ISP's for them Crossposting. And I can
> safely say that you're the First person I've EVER seen get upset
> with someone for making seperate same content posts to more than one
> newsgroup!

Then you learned the wrong lesson from your experiences. Crossposting a
question that is relevant to multiple groups is what crossposting is
for. The problem is that people often post messages that totally
unrelated to most of the groups they are posting, the other problem is
if you crossposting in groups that run under different operating rules.
The suggestion that crosspoting the origional question would have been
wrong solely because it is crossposting is just stupid, and if that is
the only reason you can think of to be against it then you should go
back and think a little harder about your opinion of crossposting.
 
Archived from groups: alt.games.elder-scrolls (More info?)

Seraphim <gme6@cornell.edu> wrote in
news:Xns95056CBFCEC16gme6cornelledu@132.236.56.8:

> FTA <FTA@fake.email> wrote in
> news:g0bic0psfcnsugohs2ohpnk02qhhektoa6@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:21:35 +0800, with the help of 10,000 Little
>> Computer Monkeys (LCM'S) "KC Wong" <my@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Do anyone know, where I can find a collection of ingredients and
>>>> potion icons, or alternative how I can extract them from
>>>> gamefiles.
>>>
>>>Pls. don't multipost (posting same content to different groups in
>>>separate messages).
>>>Use crosspost instead - and limit the no. of groups in the list to
>>>minimum.
>>>
>>>See my response in alt.games.morrowind.
>>>
>> Please Don't Crosspost!
>>
>> I don't know where you got your info, however I've been visiting
>> and posting to plenty of newsgroups since 1995 and I've seen
>> hundreds, if not thousands of people get roasted and in quite a few
>> cases have complaints sent to their ISP's for them Crossposting.
>> And I can safely say that you're the First person I've EVER seen
>> get upset with someone for making seperate same content posts to
>> more than one newsgroup!
>
> Then you learned the wrong lesson from your experiences.
> Crossposting a question that is relevant to multiple groups is what
> crossposting is for. The problem is that people often post messages
> that totally unrelated to most of the groups they are posting, the
> other problem is if you crossposting in groups that run under
> different operating rules. The suggestion that crosspoting the
> origional question would have been wrong solely because it is
> crossposting is just stupid, and if that is the only reason you can
> think of to be against it then you should go back and think a little
> harder about your opinion of crossposting.

Just to add one other point:
Just because something is crossposted does not mean that the reply-to
has to be set to all the groups. In my experience this is the standard
operating procedure with group FAQs which are posed to groups like
news.answers and their group, but are set so replies are only posted
the group.
 
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Thanks for the answer, sorry if I did something wrong with the way I posted.
Skjoldmø
 
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On 11 Jun 2004 14:41:05 GMT, with the help of 10,000 Little Computer
Monkeys (LCM'S) Seraphim <gme6@cornell.edu> wrote:

>FTA <FTA@fake.email> wrote in
>news:g0bic0psfcnsugohs2ohpnk02qhhektoa6@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:21:35 +0800, with the help of 10,000 Little
>> Computer Monkeys (LCM'S) "KC Wong" <my@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Do anyone know, where I can find a collection of ingredients and
>>>> potion icons, or alternative how I can extract them from
>>>> gamefiles.
>>>
>>>Pls. don't multipost (posting same content to different groups in
>>>separate messages).
>>>Use crosspost instead - and limit the no. of groups in the list to
>>>minimum.
>>>
>>>See my response in alt.games.morrowind.
>>>
>> Please Don't Crosspost!
>>
>> I don't know where you got your info, however I've been visiting and
>> posting to plenty of newsgroups since 1995 and I've seen hundreds,
>> if not thousands of people get roasted and in quite a few cases have
>> complaints sent to their ISP's for them Crossposting. And I can
>> safely say that you're the First person I've EVER seen get upset
>> with someone for making seperate same content posts to more than one
>> newsgroup!
>
>Then you learned the wrong lesson from your experiences. Crossposting a
>question that is relevant to multiple groups is what crossposting is
>for. The problem is that people often post messages that totally
>unrelated to most of the groups they are posting, the other problem is
>if you crossposting in groups that run under different operating rules.
>The suggestion that crosspoting the origional question would have been
>wrong solely because it is crossposting is just stupid, and if that is
>the only reason you can think of to be against it then you should go
>back and think a little harder about your opinion of crossposting.

I'll quickly admit (in writing) when I'm wrong, however after what I've
seen in numerious newsgroups through the years, you'll Never convince me
that I'm wrong this Time!

I learned my lesson the Right Way, I Watched and Learned from the
mistakes of others where crossposting is concerned! Maybe the rules ARE
different in non-binary groups, however in Most if not ALL of the Binary
newsgroups (which I'll admit are mostly, but not all Adult) I've visited
over the years, Crossposters are Flamed, Kill Filtered, and/or in some
rare cases have complaints sent to their ISP's.

Granted I have no idea what you've learned since you first started
visiting newsgroups, let alone which groups you've visited, or even how
long you've been visiting newsgroups. However I suspect that at least
where Binary newsgroups are concerned, my experiences in numerious
newsgroups since 1995 are Just as Valid as Yours!

So while you MIGHT be Right about Crossposting here or in other text
groups where I guess Flame Wars Lasting YEARS have Never taken place...
However in my experience, you're Wrong concerning Crossposting to ALL
newsgroups and Especially where Binary Newsgroups are concerned!

So, think about it, am I wrong to tell people not to Crosspost knowing
that they'll risk getting flamed for crossposting to other less
understanding newsgroups? Or in retrospect was I right? I respect the
fact that you're entitled to your Opinion, but Don't TRY to say I'm
wrong Just Because I DON"T Agree with You!


That's my 2¢,

FTA


"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

-Martin Luther King Jr.
 
Archived from groups: alt.games.elder-scrolls (More info?)

On 11 Jun 2004 14:46:14 GMT, with the help of 10,000 Little Computer
Monkeys (LCM'S) Seraphim <gme6@cornell.edu> wrote:

>Seraphim <gme6@cornell.edu> wrote in
>news:Xns95056CBFCEC16gme6cornelledu@132.236.56.8:
>
>> FTA <FTA@fake.email> wrote in
>> news:g0bic0psfcnsugohs2ohpnk02qhhektoa6@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:21:35 +0800, with the help of 10,000 Little
>>> Computer Monkeys (LCM'S) "KC Wong" <my@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Do anyone know, where I can find a collection of ingredients and
>>>>> potion icons, or alternative how I can extract them from
>>>>> gamefiles.
>>>>
>>>>Pls. don't multipost (posting same content to different groups in
>>>>separate messages).
>>>>Use crosspost instead - and limit the no. of groups in the list to
>>>>minimum.
>>>>
>>>>See my response in alt.games.morrowind.
>>>>
>>> Please Don't Crosspost!
>>>
>>> I don't know where you got your info, however I've been visiting
>>> and posting to plenty of newsgroups since 1995 and I've seen
>>> hundreds, if not thousands of people get roasted and in quite a few
>>> cases have complaints sent to their ISP's for them Crossposting.
>>> And I can safely say that you're the First person I've EVER seen
>>> get upset with someone for making seperate same content posts to
>>> more than one newsgroup!
>>
>> Then you learned the wrong lesson from your experiences.
>> Crossposting a question that is relevant to multiple groups is what
>> crossposting is for. The problem is that people often post messages
>> that totally unrelated to most of the groups they are posting, the
>> other problem is if you crossposting in groups that run under
>> different operating rules. The suggestion that crosspoting the
>> origional question would have been wrong solely because it is
>> crossposting is just stupid, and if that is the only reason you can
>> think of to be against it then you should go back and think a little
>> harder about your opinion of crossposting.
>
>Just to add one other point:
>Just because something is crossposted does not mean that the reply-to
>has to be set to all the groups. In my experience this is the standard
>operating procedure with group FAQs which are posed to groups like
>news.answers and their group, but are set so replies are only posted
>the group.

Due to my experiences where crossposting are concerned, I don't think
that I've EVER crossposted a message, even when replying to a
crossposted message! I have in the past posted Same but Separate
replies to crossposted messages in Each of the newsgroups they were
posted to. In the case of KC Wong's crossposted message, I only replied
to his post in this newsgroup!


That's my 2¢,

FTA


"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

-Martin Luther King Jr.
 
Archived from groups: alt.games.elder-scrolls (More info?)

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:06:47 +0800, with the help of 10,000 Little
Computer Monkeys (LCM'S) "KC Wong" <my@privacy.net> wrote:

>@FTA and Skjoldm:
>
>> Please Don't Crosspost!
>>
>> I don't know where you got your info, however I've been visiting and
>> posting to plenty of newsgroups since 1995 and I've seen hundreds, if
>> not thousands of people get roasted and in quite a few cases have
>> complaints sent to their ISP's for them Crossposting. And I can safely
>> say that you're the First person I've EVER seen get upset with someone
>> for making seperate same content posts to more than one newsgroup!
>
>IMHO irrelevant, unmaintained (not trimming the newsgroups list before
>sending) crosspost is bad. Very bad.
>But for *on-topic*, *small-sized* (e.g. 1 to 3 groups) crosspost is okay.
>
>e.g. alt.games.elder-scrolls is about the Elder Scroll series, and
>alt.games.morrowind is about Morrowind. You have a question about Morrowind,
>so both groups are 100% on-topic. To up the chance of finding people to
>discuss/with answers/ideas, you post to both groups. People reading both
>groups won't find the thread twice, and the poster doesn't have to check
>both places.
>
>With that said, though, I don't crosspost a lot... *smack myself in the
>forehead*
>Skjoldm, please forget what I said.
>
>> Granted things MIGHT be different in text groups, however in the Binary
>> groups Spammers like to use Crossposts to find other active groups for
>> them to post their Spam to. 🙁 And because of that if nothing else,
>> most regulars in the binary groups DON'T like Crossposters even if their
>> posts are on-topic for the groups they're posted to!
>
>Ah. I don't know that... I seldom visit binary groups. Thanks for telling me
>about it.
>
>> With all that said, it is nice that you answered Skjoldm?s post in the
>> alt.games.morrowind newsgroup.
>
>That's what newsgroups are for: a free, easy-to-access vault of knowledge
>(answers and clever, aspiring discussion) and stupidity (flame wars, spam,
>childish argue and wrong answers) 🙂
>
>
>KC

I'm not all that sure what the crossposting rules are in text groups
like this newsgroup, so maybe I over reacted in this case. 🙁 I was
just reacting to something I've learned to be true in other newsgroups.
Though I have seen plenty of examples though the years where
crossposters have been Flamed until they were Well Done in numerious
Binary newsgroups.

If nothing else, this thread may give others a good idea how different
groups react to some types of posts...

Take Care!


That's my 2¢,

FTA


"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

-Martin Luther King Jr.
 
Archived from groups: alt.games.elder-scrolls (More info?)

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:07:45 GMT, FTA <FTA@fake.email> wrote:

>Due to my experiences where crossposting are concerned, I don't think
>that I've EVER crossposted a message, even when replying to a
>crossposted message! I have in the past posted Same but Separate
>replies to crossposted messages in Each of the newsgroups they were
>posted to. In the case of KC Wong's crossposted message, I only replied
>to his post in this newsgroup!
>
I hesitate to step into this, but I thought I would add my experience
with crossposting to the mix. I have been reading and posting to
text-only newsgroups for the last 6 years and have noticed the
following: Crossposting to one or two closely related groups is
generally accepted, unless one of the groups has specifically
requested that the others not crosspost to it, then it is considered
trolling. Crossposting to numerous unrelated groups is always
considered trolling. Crossposting between moderated and unmoderated
groups is thoroughly frowned upon and in some cases, the moderators of
the moderated group will reject any crossposted message.

On the other hand, separate, but identical messages to more than one
group is frowned upon by some Usenet gurus as a waste because
crossposting is more economical in terms of bandwidth and server
space.

It looks to me like you make your choice and take your chance, within
certain parameters.

Nyctolops
 
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Nyctolops wrote:
>
> On the other hand, separate, but identical messages to more than one
> group is frowned upon by some Usenet gurus as a waste because
> crossposting is more economical in terms of bandwidth and server
> space.

I agree, and on that same other hand, the original cross-
poster's question was short and sweet. The threads which
followed about what is or isn't proper net etiquette, have
wasted far more bandwidth. The crossposts were harmless
and should have excited no comment, but... Heh! :-/
 
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> Due to my experiences where crossposting are concerned, I don't think
> that I've EVER crossposted a message, even when replying to a
> crossposted message! I have in the past posted Same but Separate
> replies to crossposted messages in Each of the newsgroups they were
> posted to.

As not all ISPs carry all newsgroups, it is preferable if the person
replying to a post leaves the reply-to-line as it is, so that replies do not
get lost for those people. I for example can't get the morrowind newsgroup,
only this one (elder-scrolls).
 
Archived from groups: alt.games.elder-scrolls (More info?)

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:45:05 GMT, "Lenny" <you@wish.haha> wrote:

>As not all ISPs carry all newsgroups, it is preferable if the person
>replying to a post leaves the reply-to-line as it is, so that replies do not
>get lost for those people. I for example can't get the morrowind newsgroup,
>only this one (elder-scrolls).
>
Good point. I only cut the crossposts when they are to unrelated
groups.

Nyctolops
 
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sorry to jump in on an unrelated note, but just wondering why I cant find
the alt.games.morrowind ng on my list? Pretty new to newsgroups so could
just be me being ever so slightly dim.

thanks in advance for any help, pointers

cheers

sherlock
"Skjoldmø" <Skjoldmoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uaydnfebmPOGaFTdRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> Thanks for the answer, sorry if I did something wrong with the way I
posted.
> Skjoldmø
>
>
 
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"Sherlock" <brown98@paradise.REMOVEnet.nz> wrote:

>
>sorry to jump in on an unrelated note, but just wondering why I cant find
>the alt.games.morrowind ng on my list? Pretty new to newsgroups so could
>just be me being ever so slightly dim.
>
>thanks in advance for any help, pointers
>

It most likely means that your news server doesn't carry it.
Don't dispair though, most ISPs will add any non-binary group
you want, you just need to ask them. Just look over their
website for a contact address and send them an email asking
for it.
 
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"Sherlock" <brown98@paradise.REMOVEnet.nz> wrote in message news:<rrnIc.7515$NA1.714862@news02.tsnz.net>...
> sorry to jump in on an unrelated note, but just wondering why I cant find
> the alt.games.morrowind ng on my list? Pretty new to newsgroups so could
> just be me being ever so slightly dim.
>
> thanks in advance for any help, pointers
>
> cheers
>
> sherlock
> "Skjoldmø" <Skjoldmoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uaydnfebmPOGaFTdRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> > Thanks for the answer, sorry if I did something wrong with the way I
> posted.
> > Skjoldmø
> >
> >

Not all ISPs carry it. However, you can access it from google. That is,
go to www.google.com, select groups instead of web, then follow the menu
tree down to the group you want. Yeah, Google!