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As I understand it, clan Tremere of V:tM fame came out of the plot of Ars
Magica (produced, I believe, by White Wolf at the time). My question then
is, where did the idea of House Tremere come from? What was the
inspiration? Anyone know?

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"Picks-at-Flies" <aidan@nospam.werepenguin.co.uk> wrote in message
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> As I understand it, clan Tremere of V:tM fame came out of the plot of Ars
> Magica (produced, I believe, by White Wolf at the time). My question then
> is, where did the idea of House Tremere come from? What was the
> inspiration? Anyone know?

AFAIK, Ars Magica (not by WW, but by Atlas Games at the time) featured a
Hermetic House Tremere of mortal mages. Dunno who had the brainwave to turn
them all into Cait- ehrm, Clan Tremere. 😉

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:04:12 +0200, "Gieljan de Vries"
<gieljanBZZdeBZZvries@planet.nl> wrote:

>"Picks-at-Flies" <aidan@nospam.werepenguin.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> As I understand it, clan Tremere of V:tM fame came out of the plot of Ars
>> Magica (produced, I believe, by White Wolf at the time). My question then
>> is, where did the idea of House Tremere come from? What was the
>> inspiration? Anyone know?
>
>AFAIK, Ars Magica (not by WW, but by Atlas Games at the time)

Atlas Games took over Ars Magica after White Wolf.
 
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"David Johnston" <rgormannospam@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:04:12 +0200, "Gieljan de Vries"
> <gieljanBZZdeBZZvries@planet.nl> wrote:
>
> >"Picks-at-Flies" <aidan@nospam.werepenguin.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:cbgld5$ocg$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >> As I understand it, clan Tremere of V:tM fame came out of the plot of
Ars
> >> Magica (produced, I believe, by White Wolf at the time). My question
then
> >> is, where did the idea of House Tremere come from? What was the
> >> inspiration? Anyone know?
> >
> >AFAIK, Ars Magica (not by WW, but by Atlas Games at the time)
>
> Atlas Games took over Ars Magica after White Wolf.

And let's not talk about what White Wolf *did* to Ars Magica during the
relatively brief time they owned it. =P

- David Prokopetz.
 
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> And let's not talk about what White Wolf *did* to Ars Magica during the
> relatively brief time they owned it. =P
>
> - David Prokopetz.

OK, we won't!

To answer the original question, House Tremere was the Hermetic house most
capable in Certamen and the most adept at backdoor politics. According to
the Ars backstory, Tremere, amongst the founders, was the least powerful,
but his great innovation was the wizard's duel, of which he was the Master.

Note - I wish that there was an Ars Magica/Storyteller Forms and Techniques
conversion somewhere out there. That would work perfectly with other Dark
Ages products. I find the 4 Pillars too limiting for my conception of
original Ars Magica Magi.

CB
 
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Picks-at-Flies wrote:
>
> As I understand it, clan Tremere of V:tM fame came out of the plot of Ars
> Magica (produced, I believe, by White Wolf at the time). My question then
> is, where did the idea of House Tremere come from? What was the
> inspiration? Anyone know?

I had always assumed that they made Clan Tremere as their
"explanation" of mages back when Vampire was the only World of Darkness
game (sort of like how Gangrel are werewolf-ish and so on.) Then when
they released actual mages into the world they realized they had this
Tremere thing going, so they built it into the mage metaplot as one of
the Hermetic houses.
The actual name "Tremere" could have come from Ars Magica, for all I
know.
 
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> I had always assumed that they made Clan Tremere as their
> "explanation" of mages back when Vampire was the only World of Darkness
> game (sort of like how Gangrel are werewolf-ish and so on.) Then when
> they released actual mages into the world they realized they had this
> Tremere thing going, so they built it into the mage metaplot as one of
> the Hermetic houses.
> The actual name "Tremere" could have come from Ars Magica, for all I
> know.

Not exactly. The Tremere were a house from Ars Magica, and that was one of
the selling points for me when I picked up V1.

My eyes bugged all those years ago when I saw a *Clan* Tremere. Before Mage
came out, many of us thought that Mage would be a modern Ars Magica, due to
the Tremere Vampire/Ars Magica link.

I hope that the new Mage background will be loose enough to include the Ars
Magica vintage Order of Hermes in a modern context.

CB
 
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Intelligroove squarked:
> To answer the original question, House Tremere was the Hermetic house
> most capable in Certamen and the most adept at backdoor politics.
> According to the Ars backstory, Tremere, amongst the founders, was
> the least powerful, but his great innovation was the wizard's duel,
> of which he was the Master.
Sorry, I knew that. What I was wondering is if there was some
historic/legendary/mythical background to the fall of (the) Tremere *before*
Ars Magica.

The question arose, for those interested, out of curiosity of how V:R will
handle magic. If I am right, there was no reason for the Tremere to exist
outside the history of WWGS.
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> Sorry, I knew that. What I was wondering is if there was some
> historic/legendary/mythical background to the fall of (the) Tremere
*before*
> Ars Magica.

Sorry for going over old info.

I'm not sure I understand, however. Are you asking if House Tremere had
some sort of existence before Ars Magica/WW games?

> The question arose, for those interested, out of curiosity of how V:R will
> handle magic. If I am right, there was no reason for the Tremere to exist
> outside the history of WWGS.

I believe that the Tremere were created whole cloth for Ars, and that the
above is correct.

CB
 
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Intelligroove squarked:
> Sorry for going over old info.
Don't worry. I am just amazed that I seemed to actually know more about it
than folks here. I must be getting old...

> I'm not sure I understand, however. Are you asking if House Tremere
> had some sort of existence before Ars Magica/WW games?
I was more looking at the inspiration behind Ars Magica.
> I believe that the Tremere were created whole cloth for Ars, and that
> the above is correct.
I guess that answers the question :) Thanks.
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Gieljan de Vries wrote:
>
> "Picks-at-Flies" <aidan@nospam.werepenguin.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cbgld5$ocg$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > As I understand it, clan Tremere of V:tM fame came out of the plot of Ars
> > Magica (produced, I believe, by White Wolf at the time). My question then
> > is, where did the idea of House Tremere come from? What was the
> > inspiration? Anyone know?

No idea. But then, I'd speculate that they brainstormed some mage
archetypes, and came up with the "well-organzied hierachical" as well as
with "weird and mysterieous", "scholary", "fireballs!", and after that
chose names of vaguely fitting sound and connotation.


>
> AFAIK, Ars Magica (not by WW, but by Atlas Games at the time) featured a
> Hermetic House Tremere of mortal mages. Dunno who had the brainwave to turn
> them all into Cait- ehrm, Clan Tremere. 😉

My second Ed is by Lion Rampant, the third by WW, forth by Atlas.

White Wolf, at the time of 2nd Ed AM was a gaming zine done by the Wieck
brothers.

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