Question If needed, which components should I upgrade first? (Budget)

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Hi, so I'm thinking about upgrading since my system is getting older. It's still doing great and I love it for that (except my gpu, it's sometimes noisy and not the best choice that I've bought but it does the trick for now).
Eventhough it's still living, I sometimes begin to think it's living at the edge. Parts could stop working at any time soon. Or maybe that's just me.

But IF I do need to replace/upgrade parts, what are my options? Which parts should I buy in which order if I needed to choose?
As many, I too am on a budget. I recently upgraded the case and the psu. There is enough room and power for upgrades.
As you can see the specs below, I'm also someone who upgrades only when needed in like 10 years or something.
I do however want to have the option to go to 1440p/144hz in the future.

Specs
i7 6700 non k (2015)
Z170 gaming a msi (2015)
16gb ram ddr4 2100 speed (2015)
1tb, ssd (for games) (2022), spare 1,5tb hdd (2012 but not in use anymore), 240gb ssd (for windows) (2015)
XFX rx590 8gb VRAM (downvolted) (2018)
Corsair rmx 750w 2021 (2022)
Fractal design meshify 2 (2022)
Display: LG 24GM79G 24inch 1080p 144hz (2019)

Games
Currently: Horizon Zero Dawn, Forza Horizon 5, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Warframe, Destiny 2,...
Future (looking to play this in max settings at 70-144fps/hz): aaa games like Horizon Forbidden West, GTA 6,...

Currently looking into (budget):
5600x-B550 (or X570 if better)-DDR4 ram 3600mhz
3060(ti)/3070(ti)/4060/6700XT (this time from sapphire cause I read alot of good about that brand)
However I don't want that my new gpu could be damaged by the old motherboard or that my old gpu could damage my new motherboard. I hope this never happens.

Thanks in advance!
 
With your current monitor and GPU, the next upgrade path that makes sense would be to get the platform updated and then look into a new graphics card alongside a capable and proper sync type monitor. AMD/freesync, Nvidia/g sync.

In this my opinion is that going either AM5 or LGA1700 would be preferrable for upgrade path into the next couple of years, if needed.
 
With your current monitor and GPU, the next upgrade path that makes sense would be to get the platform updated and then look into a new graphics card alongside a capable and proper sync type monitor. AMD/freesync, Nvidia/g sync.

In this my opinion is that going either AM5 or LGA1700 would be preferrable for upgrade path into the next couple of years, if needed.
Thanks for the answer. So CPU-mobo-ram is the better path at the moment instead of the gpu? Is there no concern that the RX 590 (undervolted) might damage the new parts once I have them?

Also: "LG 24GM79G 24inch 1080p 144hz"
This is a freesync monitor with display port. Might not be a good one like A+ or IPS panel or something like that but it is freesync.
 
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The 590 is still a viable card for 1080 gaming. A new graphics card, such as mentioned above, is going to be limited on your current platform. The 590 and your freesync monitor should be playing pretty well together, so it just makes sense to consider upgrading the platform first with your end goal in mind so far as further system replacements.

Even a meager update to something like a 13100 alongside a good motherboard is worlds faster than your current CPU, would pair (better) with a more powerful graphics card down the road, as well as leaving options in more powerful 13th and probable 14th gen upgrades.

You could take a similar path in AM5.

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The 590 is still a viable card for 1080 gaming. A new graphics card, such as mentioned above, is going to be limited on your current platform. The 590 and your freesync monitor should be playing pretty well together, so it just makes sense to consider upgrading the platform first with your end goal in mind so far as further system replacements.

Even a meager update to something like a 13100 alongside a good motherboard is worlds faster than your current CPU, would pair (better) with a more powerful graphics card down the road, as well as leaving options in more powerful 13th and probable 14th gen upgrades.

You could take a similar path in AM5.

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Which is the path of AM5? Do I have to buy the 7000 series then? Or do I have the option to go for a 5600x? I know 5600x is AM4 that's why I'm asking.

Also, IF I do find the spare money to buy a gpu, which gpu would you recommend? 6700XT is amd as well and it'll go well with freesync but 3060(ti)/3070(ti)/4060 wouldn't be a problem either since it's pairable with freesync as well.
 
Without know what you budget is, where you are shopping, a couple of blanket ideas.

Consider something such as a Ryzen 5 3600 on a motherboard like the B450 Tomahawk plus. It doesn't have to be that specific board, just well thought of. The idea behind this being you want a board that is BIOS compatible out of the box for the 3xxx, but also offers updates for 5xxx.

In this idea, you could come out ~ $200 for the above updates. Although it wouldn't be ideal you could also use your current DDR4 in it. This could leave money for a decent graphics card update now.
This would leave an upgrade path all the way up the 5xxx series Ryzen line, could purchase faster RAM, and so forth. Some of that upgrade path is sweet spot gifty ideas for Christmas or birthday, etc. A CPU such as the 5800X3D is still a very good performer and should be a good purchase for a couple more years. That CPU would leverage power that whatever graphics card update, possible monitor and resolution increase would make a lot of sense.

If you are near a Micro Center they have the 3600 at ~$80 right now and includes $20 off compatible motherboards. IDK if that CPU qualifies for the additional $25 discount for new customers.
 
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In what way is your current setup deficient?
Presumably, you are most interested in gaming.
To that end, do you play fast action shooters or more cpu centric sims, mmo and strategy games.
Do you play multiplayer with many participants?
More or less what is your budget?

One thing to do is to find out if your cpu is capable of taking advantage of a stronger graphics card.
Try this simple test:
Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
This makes the graphics card loaf a bit.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

The I7-6700 was a great chip in it's time, but the 13th gen is here and 14th is soon to come.
With each gen comes better price/performance.
Run the cpu-Z bench on your i7-6700.
You should get a single thread performance score around 438:
Games and desktop quickness depends most on single thread performance.
Some games require at least 4 threads to run.
Very few can make effective use of more than 8 threads, and any candidate will have more than that.
Multiplayer is a category that can use more.
Your i7-6700 has 8 threads and a passmark rating of 8086.
That is when all 8 threads are fully loaded. Not a likely occurrence when gaming.
The single thread performance rating is 2299:
No longer does the i3/i5/i7/i9 designation mean how many cores and hyperthreading.
Today, it is more of a general capability designation.
For example the i3-12100 processor is about 2x the power with the same 8 threads and a rating of 14540/3550.

I might think that a i5-13400 or 13500 would be a good upgrade.
They need a lga1700 motherboard.
Do not be penny wise and pound foolish and buy a F suffix processor to save $25.
If you ever have a graphics card issue, integrated graphics will keep you going.
Both will come with a very good stock laminar flow cooler.
No aftermarket cooling is needed for a gaming environment.
Heavily loaded batch apps can get toasty if that is what you need to run.
I would at least try the stock cooler first.

AMD offerings will have comparable price/performance.
Since you are now using intel, I would stick with Intel. On these forums, I see a learning curve with ryzen.

On a budget, plan to reuse your DDR4 ram.
Intel is not particularly sensitive to ram speeds.
If/when you need more than 16gb for multitasking while gaming, then you can look at a 2 x 16gb 3600 speed kit.

No need for a Z790 or Z690 chipset motherboard.
You will get what you need with B660 or B760 DDR4 motherboard.
DDR4 and DDR5 performance is similar.
MATX size will usually be cheaper.

There is no problem with reusing your RX590.
Your new psu is fine and can handle a future gpu upgrade.
Tom's gpu hierarchy chart will give you some idea of where cards rank performance wise:


One of the more satisfying upgrades is a new monitor.
34" wide and higher resolution.
Buy that first so you can get a better idea of what graphics is needed.

On storage, m.2 devices are small and easily installed.
I would buy something like a 2tb Intel 670P and put everything on it.

Repurpose your 1.5tb HDD as an external backup device by connecting it via a usb dock.
 
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In what way is your current setup deficient?
Presumably, you are most interested in gaming.
To that end, do you play fast action shooters or more cpu centric sims, mmo and strategy games.
Do you play multiplayer with many participants?
More or less what is your budget?

One thing to do is to find out if your cpu is capable of taking advantage of a stronger graphics card.
Try this simple test:
Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
This makes the graphics card loaf a bit.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

The I7-6700 was a great chip in it's time, but the 13th gen is here and 14th is soon to come.
With each gen comes better price/performance.
Run the cpu-Z bench on your i7-6700.
You should get a single thread performance score around 438:
Games and desktop quickness depends most on single thread performance.
Some games require at least 4 threads to run.
Very few can make effective use of more than 8 threads, and any candidate will have more than that.
Multiplayer is a category that can use more.
Your i7-6700 has 8 threads and a passmark rating of 8086.
That is when all 8 threads are fully loaded. Not a likely occurrence when gaming.
The single thread performance rating is 2299:
No longer does the i3/i5/i7/i9 designation mean how many cores and hyperthreading.
Today, it is more of a general capability designation.
For example the i3-12100 processor is about 2x the power with the same 8 threads and a rating of 14540/3550.

I might think that a i5-13400 or 13500 would be a good upgrade.
They need a lga1700 motherboard.
Do not be penny wise and pound foolish and buy a F suffix processor to save $25.
If you ever have a graphics card issue, integrated graphics will keep you going.
Both will come with a very good stock laminar flow cooler.
No aftermarket cooling is needed for a gaming environment.
Heavily loaded batch apps can get toasty if that is what you need to run.
I would at least try the stock cooler first.

AMD offerings will have comparable price/performance.
Since you are now using intel, I would stick with Intel. On these forums, I see a learning curve with ryzen.

On a budget, plan to reuse your DDR4 ram.
Intel is not particularly sensitive to ram speeds.
If/when you need more than 16gb for multitasking while gaming, then you can look at a 2 x 16gb 3600 speed kit.

No need for a Z790 or Z690 chipset motherboard.
You will get what you need with B660 or B760 DDR4 motherboard.
DDR4 and DDR5 performance is similar.
MATX size will usually be cheaper.

There is no problem with reusing your RX590.
Your new psu is fine and can handle a future gpu upgrade.
Tom's gpu hierarchy chart will give you some idea of where cards rank performance wise:


One of the more satisfying upgrades is a new monitor.
34" wide and higher resolution.
Buy that first so you can get a better idea of what graphics is needed.

On storage, m.2 devices are small and easily installed.
I would buy something like a 2tb Intel 670P and put everything on it.

Repurpose your 1.5tb HDD as an external backup device by connecting it via a usb dock.
To begin with I shall tell you that I live in Belgium Antwerp which is Europe.
Current setup is running fine when gaming.
Multiplayer: I like to play league and warframe which is co-op online but I might want to buy a call of duty game for multiplayer. I also play Destiny 2 which is multiplayer co-op as well. I do have overwatch so in that regards I like to stay on the 144hz.
Singleplayer: I like to play singleplayers like Horizon Zero Dawn or Shadow of the Tomb Raider but upcomming aaa games look promissing with the new unreal engine 5 being used.
The budget of cpu-mobo-ram might be 400-500 euro's which is 450-550 dollars if I can have that. I don't have this right away. I'll only have it in December.

That CPU testing, can I do that with the setup I have right now?
The thing is I don't know how much longer this setup can hold on. I don't see anything at all at the moment. These are the results when idle and when gaming:
https://ibb.co/qMg5m51 (idle)
https://ibb.co/55q7WTD (idle)
https://ibb.co/xqwfFwY (gaming)
https://ibb.co/Qd2JnpT (gaming)
At first glance you see nothing. It works completely fine. But this cpu and motherboard are pretty old. They were great though so I might get a few years out of them.
This system isn't the best for aaa gaming. Not even 1080p. So I need to upgrade something before I can play aaa games at max graphics.
As you can see, the DDR4 ram is 2100 from speed right now. So 2x 1200mhz. Can the LGA1700 reuse my DDR4 ram?

There are also bundles which I might take into consideration. 1 bundle goes around for 525 euro's at the moment. I don't need a cooler as well. I already have an aftermarket cooler: arctic something. It does the trick very well.
The ssd is something I might need to look into as well. m.2 is nice to have since it's faster. Also I can't reuse the HDD atm, because I even have a spare external hdd. But thanks for the tips.

Thanks also for the answers and for the tips!
 
In the US, a I5-13400 costs about $250.
A B760 MATX DDR4 motherboard will be <140.
You can reuse your ddr4 ram.
13400 comes with a cooler.
The lga1700 motherboards have a slightly different cpu socket and your old cooler would need a lga1700 adapter to work properly.

Do not be seduced by wonderful synthetic m.2 sequential benchmarks.
Truth is that you really can't tell the difference.
These experts could not.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA
 
In the US, a I5-13400 costs about $250.
A B760 MATX DDR4 motherboard will be <140.
You can reuse your ddr4 ram.
13400 comes with a cooler.
The lga1700 motherboards have a slightly different cpu socket and your old cooler would need a lga1700 adapter to work properly.

Do not be seduced by wonderful synthetic m.2 sequential benchmarks.
Truth is that you really can't tell the difference.
These experts could not.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA
Ah you're right, I forgot about that cooler. It's the arctic freezer 34 I think. Only fits on 1150, 1151, 1155, 2011, 2011-3, AM4, 2066, 1200 sockets.
I know it's just ram but still, can ram run that long?
Also since the cooler is send to me by my brother, couple of years ago, I wanted to reuse it but don't know if that's such a good idea. This is why I was pointing more towards AM4. But can the 5600x live till 2030?
I need to think about the future too.
The stock intel coolers were good but since they had the same model for over a decade, it's meh... Still would do the trick though. I don't know if they've changed it.

For storage, I do have enough right now. Only problem might be that my 240gb ssd is getting old but that's it.
Anyway, so we're talking more about changing the cpu then the gpu. So, if I needed to choose, I presume I need to change the cpu first then?
 
Do that test I suggested.
If your fps/performance stays the same when you reduce the gpu load, it suggests that you need a stronger cpu.

Or, if your fps increases nicely with lowered resolution and settings, it suggests that the cpu is adequate and an update graphics card is in order.

On graphics, it might be worthwhile to check out the intel A770 based graphics cards.
 
If, for sentimental reasons, you want to reuse the af34, you can buy a LGA1700 kit for $10.

5600X is about the same as i3-12100 in capability.

Hardware will last to 2030.
Your needs/wants will likely change enough over time that an update will obsolete anything you buy today.
 
Do that test I suggested.
If your fps/performance stays the same when you reduce the gpu load, it suggests that you need a stronger cpu.

Or, if your fps increases nicely with lowered resolution and settings, it suggests that the cpu is adequate and an update graphics card is in order.

On graphics, it might be worthwhile to check out the intel A770 based graphics cards.
I did this test, I hope it's been done correctly, I just changed the resolution that's all. The settings aren't maxed either with this game because if I ded, the game says something about my CPU that it can't handle the max graphics because it can't load the map quick enough.
Here are the results (the FPS is at the top right corner):
https://ibb.co/3BH8Rvc 1080p
https://ibb.co/Rg9w4Rt 900p
https://ibb.co/hdnV249 720p
at very low settings:
https://ibb.co/M7BsnGY 1080p
https://ibb.co/CMM64gr 900p
https://ibb.co/tDcVkyM 720p
 
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If, for sentimental reasons, you want to reuse the af34, you can buy a LGA1700 kit for $10.

5600X is about the same as i3-12100 in capability.

Hardware will last to 2030.
Your needs/wants will likely change enough over time that an update will obsolete anything you buy today.
I don't know if the cooler from intel is good enough. I've just changed it last year to the af34. Before that I had the intel stock cooler which ran good for years but an aftermarket cooler is always better you know. And now I finally have one thanks to my brother, it would be a shame if this gets lost in the proces. Also, I don't think I have this LGA 1700 kit of this af34 cooler. I don't know if I can get it somewhere. The site doesn't give me any info. It says: "Additionally, all coolers shipped by ARCTIC are already compatible with Intel's Alder Lake and Raptor Lake LGA1700 processors." But this cooler has been bought before 2022 ( I think 2020). So I don't have that kit I think...
 
Your tests show minimal improvement in fps with lowered demand on the graphics card.
That confirms your suspicion that your cpu is holding you back more than the graphics card.
Time to think about a processor upgrade.

For any processor that includes a stock cooler, you can expect it to run well when gaming.
Games will stress the master thread and not so much the supporting threads.
Processors and motherboards today are designed to run as fast as they can. If that causes the processor to reach it's thermal limit, the processor simply slows down a bit.
I think the AF34 is comparable in performance to stock coolers. It comes with lga1700 mounting.
Arctic will send you a lga1700 kit free.
You can buy a lga1700 mount on your own from many places for about $10:

You might want to view this video about cpu heat in a gaming environment:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFgswzTvyc
 
Your tests show minimal improvement in fps with lowered demand on the graphics card.
That confirms your suspicion that your cpu is holding you back more than the graphics card.
Time to think about a processor upgrade.

For any processor that includes a stock cooler, you can expect it to run well when gaming.
Games will stress the master thread and not so much the supporting threads.
Processors and motherboards today are designed to run as fast as they can. If that causes the processor to reach it's thermal limit, the processor simply slows down a bit.
I think the AF34 is comparable in performance to stock coolers. It comes with lga1700 mounting.
Arctic will send you a lga1700 kit free.
You can buy a lga1700 mount on your own from many places for about $10:

You might want to view this video about cpu heat in a gaming environment:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFgswzTvyc
Ait thanks! I know what to do now. Its better too this way. Because I don't know enough to build myself. And with this, I can then ask someone else to build it for me and afterwards its pretty easy to like change gfx cards or ram. The most complicated thing about building on your own is the frontpanelconnectors and rerouting the fans.
I have a case where its possible to connect some fans at 1 of the sides of the case. I might have some spare money to spend on some fans as I want 3 at the front 1 at the top and 1 at the back. But we'll see.
Anyway I know the order now so cpu-mobo-(ram)>gpu>other.
There are also bundles going around like I said. So either a bundle, or only a cpu-mobo.

I still got a question though, can I use my ddr4 on an lga1700 mobo? Or do I need ddr5?
 
Ait thanks! I know what to do now. Its better too this way. Because I don't know enough to build myself. And with this, I can then ask someone else to build it for me and afterwards its pretty easy to like change gfx cards or ram. The most complicated thing about building on your own is the frontpanelconnectors and rerouting the fans.
I have a case where its possible to connect some fans at 1 of the sides of the case. I might have some spare money to spend on some fans as I want 3 at the front 1 at the top and 1 at the back. But we'll see.
Anyway I know the order now so cpu-mobo-(ram)>gpu>other.
There are also bundles going around like I said. So either a bundle, or only a cpu-mobo.

I still got a question though, can I use my ddr4 on an lga1700 mobo? Or do I need ddr5?
Yes, you can use ddr4.
LGA1700 motherboards come in either DDR4 or DDR5 versions. You need to pick a ddr4 version.

Many people buy too many fans which can be counter productive.
The main idea is to circulate air within the case and send it out carrying component heat with it.
Front intake and rear exit is the most efficient way to do this. One can always experiment. Moving fans is not that difficult.

The motherboard manual will have a diagram of the front panel connectors.
The good thing is that if you screw up nothing bad happens. The motherboard might not start if the power leads are not correct.
HDD led's might not light up.
For a truly bizzare effect, connect the hdd led to the restart leads, (I did this once)
No permanent damage happens.
 
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Yes, you can use ddr4.
LGA1700 motherboards come in either DDR4 or DDR5 versions. You need to pick a ddr4 version.

Many people buy too many fans which can be counter productive.
The main idea is to circulate air within the case and send it out carrying component heat with it.
Front intake and rear exit is the most efficient way to do this. One can always experiment. Moving fans is not that difficult.

The motherboard manual will have a diagram of the front panel connectors.
The good thing is that if you screw up nothing bad happens. The motherboard might not start if the power leads are not correct.
HDD led's might not light up.
For a truly bizzare effect, connect the hdd led to the restart leads, (I did this once)
No permanent damage happens.
Found the mounting kit for the LGA1700 socket. The thing is my ram is so old, that not upgrading it would be not worth it I think. So yea, upgradekit maybe or just apart or something...
I already have like 2 front intake and 1 back exhaust so, it flows naturally but I thought maybe I could get it even better. Then again, not worth it..

Also... I was playing league of legends which is a game that only uses cpu and isn't gpu orianted, and I had some games where my game froze. So I suspect its the cpu. I hope it stays alive till december...
 
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An upgrade to AM5 would cost about 550 euros like so:
You can get the AM5 bracket for the cooler for about the same price.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (€249.95 @ Megekko)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard (€184.90 @ Amazon Belgium)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory (€98.85 @ Megekko)
Total: €533.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-08-07 11:37 CEST+0200
 
An upgrade to AM5 would cost about 550 euros like so:
You can get the AM5 bracket for the cooler for about the same price.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (€249.95 @ Megekko)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard (€184.90 @ Amazon Belgium)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory (€98.85 @ Megekko)
Total: €533.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-08-07 11:37 CEST+0200
yes but I have to see, because I might wanna go intel. I've never used ryzen before, not that it's any different from intel for me since I only game and make video's with shotcut... Still, I might be gaming in open worlds like starfield or something... This at 1080p with the option of 1440p ofcourse but not higher...
Thanks though! I have found the bracket for the cooler indeed and it only costs 15 euro's...
 
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