IIyama vs Sony: diamondtron vs trinitron

[labdog]

Hi,

im wondering to spend around 1000-1500$USD for
a 22" IIyama Vision Master Pro 512.

but i hesitate yet between 2 brands & 2 or 3 monitors:

SONY GDM-F520 21" (maybe also the CPD-G520 or G520P)
&
IIYAMA Vision Master Pro 512 22"

mainly linked to image quality & CRT.

Diamondtron versus Trinitron.

is someone knows those monitors ?

what could be the advantages/disadvantages similitudes/differences between those 2 monitors & those 2 CRTs ?

thanks.

Lab.


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[labdog]

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[labdog]

noone has already tried a trinitron monitor & a diamondtron monitor ?

thanks to some experiences.



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[Cstew77]

I have the Sony CPD-G520 and it is simply awesome. I definately recommend it.

 

[labdog]

good, but can you expand your thoughts about.

why did you said its awesome ?

because of the image quality, performances, trinitron crt, price, settings, OSD, dot pitch slightness, etc.

thanks to precise.


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[Cstew77]

Well, for starters, the screen is perfectly flat: horizontally and vertically. Actually, it took a little getting used to cause I'm so used to a horizontal curve...

The picture is very crisp - watching a DVD with this monitor reminds me of HDTV. As for gaming, which I do a fair amount of, when I look at other people's monitors, I'm reminded about how nice my is.

I have 3 Sony monitors, two 21's and a 19 and each one has been a rock solid joy. My only gripe on the new 21' is the display control - I believe they changed this in later models. It used a little rocker that controlled everything - to select something, you push up. I really prefer multiple buttons.

My first 21" I bought 5 years ago and paid 1.4k for it. It's not as nice as the newer one (only because it still has slight horizontal bend) but the picture quality is still outstanding (that's pretty good since I've moved 6 times since I bought it...)

Once thing I use to determine what separates one monitor from another is how sharp images are in the corners. The corners are furthest away from the electron gun and thus are more likely to a little blurry in lower quality monitors. A good way to test this is to bring up a text doc full misc. text and look for distortions. My monitor at work is pretty bad and this little "feature" drives me nuts.

I bought the new 21" cause of the price - you can't beat 700 delivered for this good of a monitor. I've never had any issues with any of 'em and recommend them at a drop of a dime.

If you're really going for the gusto, I would look around and see if you can find a demo of Sony's 24". It sells for about 1.7k

Your monitor is the one thing you're never gonna upgrade. It's the eyes to your computer. The better monitor you have, the more enjoyable your computing will be.

I hope that's enough detail for you...

 

[labdog]

well, just for half part of the question.

im waiting for IIyama owners comments & opinions...


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[skane]

I have a Mits. 2020u (Diamontron) and Sony G520. I use the max visible area on both monitors. The Sony has much better geometry and text is sharp across entire screen, including corners.

My 2020u always had a problem with balancing the pincushion across screen, as well as blurred text in the corners.

I have to admit the 2020u does have great OSD controls for convergence, but bottom line, the image quality can't match the Sony.

Maybe this isn't a fair comparison 'cause the G520 does have finer pitch (2020u = .25mm - .27mm, G520 = .24mm).

 

[labdog]

yes, i dont think you can compare:

mitsubishi monitor previous version
vs
sony monitor recent version

<i>note: the last mitsubishi monitor is the Diamond Pro 2060u NF & it has a 0.24 mm aperture grille</i>

moreover you cant compare:

mitsubishi & IIyama brands.

1) mitsubishi is now mixed up with nec.
2) mitsubishi makes good monitors similar to IIyama (same technology & CRT used) but its monitors are a little inferior to IIyama monitors. i even think they recover their technology for themself

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[Guest]

Maybe slightly unrelated... but my $.02 anyway.

I just bought the NEC FP1375X and the picture is absolutely awful. I am taking this thing back the first chance I get. At any resolution greater than 1600X1200 text becomes blurry. Messing with the contrast and convergence helps a bit.

I'm leaning towards the EIZO F980 for the Sony GDM-F520. Anyone have experience with either of these models?

 

[labdog]

from the Eizo site:
"The FlexScan F980 expands the performance capabilities of CRT displays to new levels with a sharp dot pitch of 0.23 mm and a maximum resolution of 2048 x 1536 / 85 Hz."

"<b>CRT Phosphor Pitch 0.23 mm / 0.20 mm (Horizontal).</b>"

"Recommended Resolution <b>1600 dots x 1200 lines</b> flicker-free <b>at 109 Hz</b>,
<b>2048 dots x 1536 lines at 85 Hz</b> addressable."

go ahead with the Eizo F980.
i think you willnt waste your money for.

<i>note: the IIyama Vision Master Pro 512 has the same perfs except the 0.24 dot pitch instead of 0.23 but the Eizo is doubtlessly more expensive as well.</i>


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[labdog]

well, i found the Eizo F980 price: $1,452.95 USD,
near the double of a IIyama 22".


not really cheaper...



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[labdog]

i have found the Highlights for the Eizo F980,
here they are:

Highlights:

High Refresh Rates and Large Screen SizeThe F980 utilizes a newly developed shadow mask CRT with a super fine horizontal pitch of 0.20 mm (dot pitch of 0.23 mm), and can display high resolutions with extreme clarity. SuperErgoCoat™ reduces external reflection to help eliminate eye fatigue and present a pleasant, clear picture. An active display size of 402 mm (H) × 300 mm (V) provides CAD/CAM, DTP, and DIP professionals with the generou.

Maximum Horizontal Scanning Frequency of 137 kHz for High ResolutionsThe F980's wide horizontal scanning frequency of 30-137 kHz allows for a recommended resolution of 1600 × 1200 at a maximum refresh rate of 109 Hz. For users who need to maximize the performance capabilities of the display, the monitor can attain a resolution of 2048 × 1536 at a flicker-free refresh rate of 85 Hz.

Pixel Dot Clock of 400 MHzTo assure that images are displayed with sharpness and clarity at the maximum resolution of 2048 × 1536 at 85 Hz, the F980 has an extremely high pixel dot clock of 400 MHz. As shown in the illustration below, black text on a white background is displayed in minute detail without blur or distortion.

Automatic Color Correction Function for True Color ReproductionColor Correction detects and compensates for discrepancies in video signal output levels sent from the graphics card. Therefore, disparities in video signal output level are minimized, and accurate color temperature and brightness are assured. This function also corrects output and unifies color temperature when two computers are connected to the F980, even if the graphics cards and operating syst.

Realistic Picture Display with Video Bias CircuitryThe new video bias circuitry minimizes color changes due to variations in brightness and the variation of the displayed image pattern (i.e. between white pattern image and black pattern image). As illustrated in the graph below, even with fluctuations from 0% - 100% in brightness, the circuitry displays stable and accurate color tints at the color coordinate level. In addition, minimization of cr.

Digital Convergence Circuitry for Screen Uniformity
EIZO's Digital Convergence circuitry digitally eliminates convergence errors through the adjustment of up to 256 squares over the entire screen for precise images, even in the corners.




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[compuhan]

I just got a dp2060u and it has great geometry and razor sharp text corner to corner sharpness at 1600X1200. It's brightness/contrast is a litter weaker than a Sony and just ever so slightly curved (only freaks will notice). I had a e540 which is one below g520, and it had worse geometry which could not be corrected. At 1600X1200 (recommended)the text was slightly blurry even at large font. Vertical convergence was not uniform and could not be adjusted. It had faint white shadows to the right of all vertical lines. It had poor purity which could not be corrected. I could have been defective. Even so, I have another 17" sony (cpd e200) that also shows faint white shadows that I didn't really noticed except when I got my dp2060 which absolutely no shadows. This leads me believe this ghosting is common in Sony monitors. Actually, the ghosting "sharpens" text when looked at distance, but becomes annoying close up.

Overall I like Sony's slightly flatter screen and brightness, but poor quality control or bad luck on my part pushed me to mitsubishi. The dp2060u's 2nd place displaymate best aperture grille monitor award next to 1st place (and sinfully pricey)gdm f520 also helped me make the decision. The g520 did not win though it is of comparable price and even slighlty better refresh than the dp2060u.

Yes, it isn't a fair comparison at all. The dp2060u is the g520's proper rival.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.

 

[compuhan]

I have tried both tubes and similar models. See my earliest reply. The trinitron has a perfectly flat image and wonderfully bright and contrasty image. The diamontron is everso slightly curved horizontally (that's why it's called an Natural Flat I guess). Besides the "defect" like traits of the sony's I've owned, the trinitron is better. The dp2060u I own is absolutely perfect in text sharpness and uniformity of everything (geometry, purity, convergence, etc.). It's still a hard choice and I own both tube types! I'll probably try Sony once more in the future due to it's potential. Hopefully it will be an improved gdm fw900!

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.

 

[labdog]

See my earliest reply.

if you talk about this one:

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/ce/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=9733#9733" target="_new">http://forumz.tomshardware.com/ce/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=9733#9733</A>

im not agreed with.

because you dont compare Sony vs IIyama but Mitsubishi.
IIyama monitors are better than Mitsubishi in terms of performances & image quality.


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[compuhan]

I was commenting on skane about comparing g520 to the dp2060u instead of the 2020, not entering a comment about sony vs. iyama. I have no basis as I've never seen a iyama.

With that said...

Why do you think Iyama is better than mitsu? Please explain. I can point you to displaymate technologies which chose the sony gdm f520 and mitsu dp2060u as the best aperature grille models. Cornerstone even won for the second best shadow mask next to eizo f980. Iyama did not win an award. Displaymate is the industry standard in video diagnostics. They measure monitor performance objectively. From what I read on webstites (admittedly too few review monitors), many talk about high end sony vs mitsubishi (not the nec monitors, everyone hates these), not iyama. Iyama is touted as good value, good performance and good cost.

http://displaymate.com/best.html#crt

I can only say the sony's I've seen next to mitsu beat it in brightness/contrast and flatter screen. The mitsubishi won in text crispness.

You should explain or point to some reviews to make your choices more convincing. I'm talking about the large screen high end models.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.

 

[labdog]

ok then, some explanations/comments :

<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/monitor2/MONITOR-b.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/monitor2/MONITOR-b.HTM</A>

<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/product2/MA201D.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/product2/MA201D.HTM</A>
<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/product2/HA202DT.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/product2/HA202DT.HTM</A>
<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/product2/A902MT.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/product2/A902MT.HTM</A>
<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/product2/HM903DT.HTM" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/product2/HM903DT.HTM</A>

<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/market/market.htm" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/market/market.htm</A>

& as i said it before, best performances & best quality than mitsubishi monitors.

IMO,
mitsubishi monitors are IIyama monitors clones with under performances & limited quality.
IIyama monitors (since 1981) existed before mitsubishi ones which is a rather new diamondtron monitor brand & moreover, they have had to associate them to Nec to create a "collaborated" monitors involving a weird new brand alliance NEC/Mitsubishi (together linked).

have a look to their site <A HREF="http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/index.cfm" target="_new">http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/index.cfm</A>

btw, do you want some awards?
<A HREF="http://www.si87.com/Products/Monitors/monitors.html" target="_new">http://www.si87.com/Products/Monitors/monitors.html</A>
<A HREF="http://www.erimex.ru/direct/computer/iiyama/awards.htm" target="_new">http://www.erimex.ru/direct/computer/iiyama/awards.htm</A>
<A HREF="http://www.iiyama.com/contactus/press3.htm" target="_new">http://www.iiyama.com/contactus/press3.htm</A>
<A HREF="http://www.panrix.com/html/componentsProduct.asp?component_id=MO0306&image=Monitors" target="_new">http://www.panrix.com/html/componentsProduct.asp?component_id=MO0306&image=Monitors</A>
<A HREF="http://www.anywebpcs.com/partners/iiyama.htm" target="_new">http://www.anywebpcs.com/partners/iiyama.htm</A>
<A HREF="http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Monitors-All-Iiyama_Vision_Master_Pro_450" target="_new">http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Monitors-All-Iiyama_Vision_Master_Pro_450</A>
<A HREF="http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Monitors-All-Iiyama_Vision_Master_Pro_450?sp=i2" target="_new">http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Monitors-All-Iiyama_Vision_Master_Pro_450?sp=i2</A>
etc...


what do you think about?

<i>note
you can also compare the specs between iiyama & mitsubishi monitors. this could help as well to improve the monitor image quality.</i>

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[compuhan]

The 511 won "best buy", not best image. Did you see the displaymate site? I can't really comment on the overall quality of all models, but rather for the dp2060u in particular. What say you about the validity of objective diagnostics irreverant of cost? Are you associated with iyama?

Displaymate is an industry standard diagnostic. One major pc site (zdnet, pcmag... i forget) listed the dp2060u as excellent across the board among all monitors, but did not give it best buy becuase it was too pricey. Best buy is best performance/cost ratio. Best is just best performance.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.

 

[labdog]

wachi...wacha... but no links to consolidate anything. ll
are you a mitsubishi's shareholder?


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[compuhan]

Best buy for iyama 511... top honors for dp2060 at pcworld.com.

http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=37456

versus

http://pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,58265,pg,2,00.asp

The dates of review are different. Use the g520 as reference and you'll see its good/good score is the same for both reviews. So, even if the iyama review is more recent, it still stands on equal footing with the older dp2060u review. Even though links are different, the reviewing site (pcworld) is the same, just used "neoseeker" to find the review.

oldbag, if you look at the review in depth, you'll see that d92060u achieved excellent/excellent. BTW, the price has significantly dropped from $999.

A sword should be held at the handle...






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[compuhan]

no not affliated. don't care. i'd consider iyama if i hadn't research myself. if anything sony gdm f520 supreme. quality links not quantity. not lists of nothign more than specs or link of commercial sites selling only iyama.

for all who looking for review check out the links in my previous reply and displaymate.com under best hardware. these are the most objective i've found so far. thg should soon do a 21"-22" shootout to add.

Quality is better than name brand, even regarding beloved AMD.

 

[labdog]

wachi...wacha... but
you dont know at all what you are talking about.

the constructor of IIyama Diamondtron CRT (just the cathode ray tube but not the entire monitor) is MITSUBISHI.

yes, in IIyama monitors you have a Mitsubishi Diamondtron CRT. roflMAO.


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[compuhan]

so what else is new. i already new that, but it's irrelevant. identical tubes don't mean identical image.

have a reply to the pcworld review? come on, comment on that, don't retort with digressions. do you now point this tube commonality out to redeem iyama?

remember were all in this together trying to help each other with the tidbits of reviews out there, not vicariously battle.

all i have is my eyes and other's reviews. i show what i find, now show yours. oh yeah... you did, but it was really mine... ;>


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[labdog]

so what else is new. i already new that, but it's irrelevant. identical tubes don't mean identical image.

yes but identical tubes plus better electronics & better performances involves obviously a better image. this is why IIyama is slightly above than mitsubishi (besides this also involving a slighty increase of the monitor price).


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