IL2-FB with PF add-on: Best, most complete WW2 sim ever!

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I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF add on is
the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2 sim ever released.
I've been playing this game for a year now and have had a hard time finding
even one thing to complain about. What is you opinion?! :) This sim has
it all, bombers, fighters, even some weird Polack planes that make for real
historical accuracy! I love IL2 and would definitely buy it again.

James
 
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:01:04 -0500, "James Calivar"
<amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF add on is
>the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2 sim ever released.
>I've been playing this game for a year now and have had a hard time finding
>even one thing to complain about. What is you opinion?! :) This sim has
>it all, bombers, fighters, even some weird Polack planes that make for real
>historical accuracy! I love IL2 and would definitely buy it again.
>
>James
>
Fanbois.
 
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James Calivar wrote:
> I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF
add on is
> the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2 sim ever
released.
> I've been playing this game for a year now and have had a hard time
finding
> even one thing to complain about. What is you opinion?! :) This
sim has
> it all, bombers, fighters, even some weird Polack planes that make
for real
> historical accuracy! I love IL2 and would definitely buy it again.
>
> James


Ah...yes, the wonders of Pacific Fighters. To be able to swoop down in
your Kate against the hapless Arizona at Pearl Harbor. To experience
the sheer terror of flying a Vindicator against the Akagi. Or, to even
parallel George Bush Sr.'s flight in his Avenger at the Marianas Turket
shoot........


......OR NOT.

Go back to SimHQ, fanboi. They miss you.

--scharmers
 
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I dont know about *best* as I still lean towards either the Original Red
Baron or Their Finest Hour, maybe even PAW as best of all time.

The IL2 series is great but it has a few unforgivable flaws that imo should
have been overcome before release. Visuals at altitude is the main issue
and to me its nearly a game breaker. 10k/meters shouldnt look like a Low
Earth Orbit Shuttle Simulator ;)

Go into either Lomac or MSCFS3 at 30k/feet and tell me the difference.

I would buy it again too. Hell Id buy 2 copies just to help the Flight-Sim
cause...

Mitch


"James Calivar" <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF add on
>is
> the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2 sim ever released.
> I've been playing this game for a year now and have had a hard time
> finding
> even one thing to complain about. What is you opinion?! :) This sim
> has
> it all, bombers, fighters, even some weird Polack planes that make for
> real
> historical accuracy! I love IL2 and would definitely buy it again.
>
> James
>
>
 
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"Mitch_A" <naman@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> I dont know about *best* as I still lean towards either the Original Red
> Baron or Their Finest Hour, maybe even PAW as best of all time.
>

Remember, I said "WW2 sim". :)

> The IL2 series is great but it has a few unforgivable flaws that imo
should
> have been overcome before release. Visuals at altitude is the main issue
> and to me its nearly a game breaker. 10k/meters shouldnt look like a Low
> Earth Orbit Shuttle Simulator ;)

It's never really bothered me. I'm more interested in what's going on
around me than what's 20,000 feet below. But I do know what you're talking
about. The earth isn't *that* curved!

>
> Go into either Lomac or MSCFS3 at 30k/feet and tell me the difference.
>
> I would buy it again too. Hell Id buy 2 copies just to help the
Flight-Sim
> cause...
>
> Mitch
>

Me too. This sim is just so much better - hands above - than anything else
before it in the genre.
 
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James Calivar wrote:
> I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF
> add on is the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2 sim
> ever released. I've been playing this game for a year now and have
> had a hard time finding even one thing to complain about. What is
> you opinion?! :) This sim has it all, bombers, fighters, even some
> weird Polack planes that make for real historical accuracy! I love
> IL2 and would definitely buy it again.
>
> James


I would agree with that totally.
Incredible sim.
Has more depth than any I have seen to day ( ok, still planning on
installing Falcon4 soon), and the support from the developer is
incredible...

I am having a blast flying several campains in IL2/FN/AEP/PF.



--
Don Burnette

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"Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> James Calivar wrote:
> > I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF
> > add on is the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2 sim
> > ever released. I've been playing this game for a year now and have
> > had a hard time finding even one thing to complain about. What is
> > you opinion?! :) This sim has it all, bombers, fighters, even some
> > weird Polack planes that make for real historical accuracy! I love
> > IL2 and would definitely buy it again.
> >
> > James
>
>
> I would agree with that totally.
> Incredible sim.
> Has more depth than any I have seen to day ( ok, still planning on
> installing Falcon4 soon), and the support from the developer is
> incredible...
>

Would you please install F4 already?!?!?! I need a n00B to shoot down.
 
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James Calivar wrote:
> "Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Wb6dnWby3Nke3NTfRVn-gw@giganews.com...
>> James Calivar wrote:
>>> I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF
>>> add on is the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2
>>> sim ever released. I've been playing this game for a year now and
>>> have had a hard time finding even one thing to complain about.
>>> What is you opinion?! :) This sim has it all, bombers, fighters,
>>> even some weird Polack planes that make for real historical
>>> accuracy! I love IL2 and would definitely buy it again.
>>>
>>> James
>>
>>
>> I would agree with that totally.
>> Incredible sim.
>> Has more depth than any I have seen to day ( ok, still planning on
>> installing Falcon4 soon), and the support from the developer is
>> incredible...
>>
>
> Would you please install F4 already?!?!?! I need a n00B to shoot
> down.


I KNOW I KNOW :)

Ok, this weekend, I swear!!
:)



--
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"Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> James Calivar wrote:
> > "Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:Wb6dnWby3Nke3NTfRVn-gw@giganews.com...
> >> James Calivar wrote:
> >>> I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF
> >>> add on is the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2
> >>> sim ever released. I've been playing this game for a year now and
> >>> have had a hard time finding even one thing to complain about.
> >>> What is you opinion?! :) This sim has it all, bombers, fighters,
> >>> even some weird Polack planes that make for real historical
> >>> accuracy! I love IL2 and would definitely buy it again.
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>
> >>
> >> I would agree with that totally.
> >> Incredible sim.
> >> Has more depth than any I have seen to day ( ok, still planning on
> >> installing Falcon4 soon), and the support from the developer is
> >> incredible...
> >>
> >
> > Would you please install F4 already?!?!?! I need a n00B to shoot
> > down.
>
>
> I KNOW I KNOW :)
>
> Ok, this weekend, I swear!!
> :)
>
>
>
> --
> Don Burnette
>
> "When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the
> way of the man that's doing it."



Still my favorite, by far.













>
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James Calivar wrote:
> I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF
> add on is the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2 sim
> ever released.

Not only is it an exaggeration the 'most complete' bit is untrue.


> I've been playing this game for a year now and have
> had a hard time finding even one thing to complain about. What is
> you opinion?! :)

It's a great game...never played a sim or any other game that I couldn't
find anything to complain about though.

> This sim has it all, bombers, fighters, even some
> weird Polack planes that make for real historical accuracy! I love
> IL2 and would definitely buy it again.

No the sim does not have it all and is a WWII flight sim, not a WWII sim.
 
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Angof wrote:

> Not only is it an exaggeration the 'most complete' bit is untrue.

I'd have to disagree with that. With a stock install, no mods (not that
there are any), what other off-the-shelf sim has as much scope?

>
> > I've been playing this game for a year now and have
> > had a hard time finding even one thing to complain about. What is
> > you opinion?! :)
>
> It's a great game...never played a sim or any other game that I
couldn't
> find anything to complain about though.

That, I agree with. But for the il2 series, I personally have more
praise than gripes. And I'm e-flying for.... jeez. I don't know how
many years. Jets, props, the odd chopper. I think I'm reasonably
objective, and not a fanboi.

> No the sim does not have it all and is a WWII flight sim, not a WWII
sim.

Come on. You know what he meant. That's rather scraping the bottom of
the contradictory barrel.
 
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Angof wrote:
> WWII Online...by a country mile.

Ah yes. But is WW2OL a sim? I haven't played it myself, so I don't know
whether I'd class it as a sim or not. But I'll acknowledge it's often
hard to delineate between a game and a sim.

> I know iL2 is a great game.

And don't forget it either!!!

> Eh? Just pointing out an inaccuracy. At the moment there even the
most
> complete WWII sim and has nothing like 'it all'.

Talking about WW2 online again? Well - I can't say whether I'd class it
as a sim or not. Haven't tried it at all. A sim is in the Eye of the
Beholder and all that.
 
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alq119_4spam@yahoo.com wrote:
> Angof wrote:
>
>> Not only is it an exaggeration the 'most complete' bit is untrue.
>
> I'd have to disagree with that. With a stock install, no mods (not
> that there are any), what other off-the-shelf sim has as much scope?

WWII Online...by a country mile.

>
>>
>>> I've been playing this game for a year now and have
>>> had a hard time finding even one thing to complain about. What is
>>> you opinion?! :)
>>
>> It's a great game...never played a sim or any other game that I
>> couldn't find anything to complain about though.
>
> That, I agree with. But for the il2 series, I personally have more
> praise than gripes. And I'm e-flying for.... jeez. I don't know how
> many years. Jets, props, the odd chopper. I think I'm reasonably
> objective, and not a fanboi.

I know iL2 is a great game.

>
>> No the sim does not have it all and is a WWII flight sim, not a WWII
>> sim.
>
> Come on. You know what he meant. That's rather scraping the bottom of
> the contradictory barrel.

Eh? Just pointing out an inaccuracy. At the moment there even the most
complete WWII sim and has nothing like 'it all'.
 
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alq119_4spam@yahoo.com wrote:
> Angof wrote:
>> WWII Online...by a country mile.
>
> Ah yes. But is WW2OL a sim? I haven't played it myself, so I don't
> know whether I'd class it as a sim or not. But I'll acknowledge it's
> often hard to delineate between a game and a sim.
>
>> I know iL2 is a great game.
>
> And don't forget it either!!!
>
>> Eh? Just pointing out an inaccuracy. At the moment there even the
>> most complete WWII sim and has nothing like 'it all'.
>
> Talking about WW2 online again? Well - I can't say whether I'd class
> it as a sim or not. Haven't tried it at all. A sim is in the Eye of
> the Beholder and all that.

A quick cut and paste from the air section of the WWII Online readme for the
last couple of patches indicate a simmy feel to the game.

-Adjusted Fw190 landing gear and flap deployment parameters
-Adjusted Fw190 flight model
-Adjusted Fw190 head plate armour which was too thin
-Added Fw190 self sealing to fuel tanks
-Adjusted MG17 cowl guns ammo load to 850 RPG
-Adjusted wing thickness of the left wing on the P-38F (Lockheed 322-15)
-Fixed several Fw190 damage model issues
-Fixed Fw190 wings not burning off when on fire
-Fixed Fw190 airspeed indicator
-Fixed several minor errors in UI vehicle descriptions
-Edited the text description of the H-81
-Minor flight profile adjustments for new fighters, windtunnel complete
-Fixed missing fuel tank in Fw190
-Adjusted roll rate of P38
-Adjusted rudder speed of P38
-Adjusted horizontal stabilizer compression of P38
-Adjusted load out on SpitIX
-Adjusted manifold pressure on P38 and Fw190

I think you can argue about whether or not it is a very good attempt at a
sim but not whether it is one or not.
 
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"Angof" <oan1vgofut@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> alq119_4spam@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Angof wrote:
>>> WWII Online...by a country mile.
>>
>> Ah yes. But is WW2OL a sim? I haven't played it myself, so I don't
>> know whether I'd class it as a sim or not. But I'll acknowledge it's
>> often hard to delineate between a game and a sim.
>>
>>> I know iL2 is a great game.
>>
>> And don't forget it either!!!
>>
>>> Eh? Just pointing out an inaccuracy. At the moment there even the
>>> most complete WWII sim and has nothing like 'it all'.
>>
>> Talking about WW2 online again? Well - I can't say whether I'd class
>> it as a sim or not. Haven't tried it at all. A sim is in the Eye of
>> the Beholder and all that.
>
> A quick cut and paste from the air section of the WWII Online readme for
> the
> last couple of patches indicate a simmy feel to the game.
>
> -Adjusted Fw190 landing gear and flap deployment parameters
> -Adjusted Fw190 flight model
> -Adjusted Fw190 head plate armour which was too thin
> -Added Fw190 self sealing to fuel tanks
> -Adjusted MG17 cowl guns ammo load to 850 RPG
> -Adjusted wing thickness of the left wing on the P-38F (Lockheed 322-15)
> -Fixed several Fw190 damage model issues
> -Fixed Fw190 wings not burning off when on fire
> -Fixed Fw190 airspeed indicator
> -Fixed several minor errors in UI vehicle descriptions
> -Edited the text description of the H-81
> -Minor flight profile adjustments for new fighters, windtunnel complete
> -Fixed missing fuel tank in Fw190
> -Adjusted roll rate of P38
> -Adjusted rudder speed of P38
> -Adjusted horizontal stabilizer compression of P38
> -Adjusted load out on SpitIX
> -Adjusted manifold pressure on P38 and Fw190
>
> I think you can argue about whether or not it is a very good attempt at a
> sim but not whether it is one or not.
>
>

IL2's got one thing going for it, though: it's free to play online once
you've bought the game.

I've actually been interested in WWII online for along time, but just don't
have the time nor the money to get into it.
 
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James Calivar wrote:
>>
>
> IL2's got one thing going for it, though: it's free to play online
> once you've bought the game.
>
> I've actually been interested in WWII online for along time, but just
> don't have the time nor the money to get into it.

I don't have the time to play much at the moment. True you can play IL2 for
nothing but you wouldn't if it was giving you what WWII Online has ;-)
Can understand that not everybody can afford to pay to play though. Have a
go when the next free trial comes available.
 
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Aces High has nice torpedo bombers...... :cool:

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>On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:01:04 -0500, "James Calivar" <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that IL2-FB with the PF add on is
>the best-looking, best performing and most complete WW2 sim ever released.
>I've been playing this game for a year now and have had a hard time finding
>even one thing to complain about. What is you opinion?! :) This sim has
>it all, bombers, fighters, even some weird Polack planes that make for real
>historical accuracy! I love IL2 and would definitely buy it again.
>
>James
>
 

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