Question I'm looking to replace my Gaming Laptop ?

Mar 25, 2024
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I'm searching for a new, used, or refurbished laptop to replace my current gaming laptop which is a 2016 Lenovo Thinkpad E560 with the big i5-6200U and HD 520 graphics. Love that machine but it's technically not built for gaming, I simply use it for gaming and I would like to find a suitable replacement to play games at a more comfortable FPS than 40 or below.


Here are the prerequisites as instructed:


1. Budget: Budget is $600 or less, I still need to eat.

2. What is the size of the notebook? Large, preferably. Always liked a thick and heavy Thinkpad to carry around, but things are getting smaller every day. I'll say between 14"-16" since laptops bigger than that probably exceed the budget.

3. What screen resolution do you want? Doesn't matter, but my current Thinkpad has 1280x720p I believe, so anything equal or higher is acceptable.

4. Do you need a portable or desktop replacement laptop? I'm not replacing my desktop, just taking the experience with me.

5. How much battery life do you need? Doesn't matter, a laptop's battery life will not last while playing games and I will use AC power while gaming. I became accustomed to worn batteries in old Thinkpads so most of the time I plug in any laptop I use.

6a. Do you want to play games with your laptop? Yes

6b. If so then please list the games that you want to with the settings that you want for these games. (Low,Medium or High)?

The following are the games I will play, the ones in bold are the most frequently played: COD: MW1 (2007), COD: MW2 (2009) COD: WAW, VirtualDelinquent 2077 (Cyberpunk), TES IV: Oblivion, TES V: Skyrim (2011), Fallout 3 (GOTY), Fallout 4 w/mods, Fallout: New Vegas, Witcher 3: Wild Hunt.

Obviously, some of these games listed will not run on high settings and some will, depending on the game. I would like to play all of them on high settings, but low and medium settings are tolerable.


7. What other tasks do you want to do with your laptop? (Photo/Video editing, Etc.) Web browsing, mostly. Sometimes I use it as a mobile workstation, doing things such as file transfers, backup a drive, and boot into a Linux environment to install a Distro on a drive.

8. How much storage (Hard Drive capacity) do you need? Doesn't matter, I have a spare NVMe to use it with. Winders 10 or 11 will come on the machine anyways unless it had no drive, I guess if I had to put a reasonable number I'd say 500GB or more if it was soley used for Windows gaming.

9. If you are considering specific sites to buy from, please post their links. I had four already in mind:

A. Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3

B. Lenovo LOQ 15.6"

C. Lenovo Ideapad Slim 3 15Iru8

D. Lenovo Thinkpad T490



10. How long do you want to keep your laptop? At least 10 years in service, starting from the year of birth. So a Lenovo T490 that was made in 2019 would need replaced in 2029. I wouldn't throw it away afterward, it'll be a fine addition to my collection.

11. What kind of Optical drive do you need? DVD ROM/Writer,Bluray ROM/Writer,Etc ? Considering compact discs are a thing of the past, I don't think the need for one in a laptop is necessary. None of my Thinkpads over the years have had a working disc drive, and external disc readers are available if I severely need one when I am away from my desktop. I was considering adding a hard drive caddy into my E560 disc bay for some additional storage. Not that I needed it but the option was there.

12a. Please tell us about the brands that you prefer to buy from them and the brands that you don't like. Lenovo, top priority. Thinkpad, preferably. Other brands I may consider are HP, MSI, or LG. Hard pass on everything else; Dell, Apple, Acer, Asus, ROG, etc.

12b. and explain the reasons. I was a Thinkpad user before it was made into a meme, started with an old Z60m back in 2009ish and I loved them until they started copying MacBook. The days of IBM and thick magnesium-alloy chassis might be over, but I'll still consider Lenovo's laptops to be superior to other laptops, even the Apple carbon copies.

My other choices aren't so personal, HP made a fine workstation that I used for many years so I'd consider their laptop if the price was right. MSI is probably a decent gaming laptop, and LG makes TVs, appliances, phones, and so on, maybe their laptops are okay enough to use. The brands I don't like aren't up to the tasks I need them to do. Nothing personal, just business.


13. What country do you live in? United States.

14. Please tell us any additional information if needed. If I'm buying used hardware, I would want something that is an upgrade to the i5-6200U that's already in my laptop. If a nice older Thinkpad came to sale with a 7th gen i7, that would be an upgrade even though it's not significant. If it had an i7-6500U, that would not be an upgrade even though it's a higher model.

Something else wanted to express, I do not like the idea of soldered RAM in a laptop. I suppose I'll have to get used to soldered CPU and GPU, but I'd pass if it came with soldered RAM only. I'd probably compromise if it had 16GB or more, or if it had like 8GB soldered RAM with an additional slot for me to add more, the T490 has this design.

I will also need a laptop that has wireless, this is standard in nearly all laptops but I'll mention it just in case. I also prefer no web camera on my laptops, but many come with them. The one nice thing about the Ideapad is that it comes with a shutter to block the web camera and I'd like that for peace of mind.



Let me know your thoughts and thanks for your replies.
 
From your shortlist I'd pick this one but regarding your intention to hold onto the laptop for a decade, that might be a big if, considering how you can't undervolt the processor anymore, the processors Intel and AMD both have are supposed to be okay at running at 100 Deg C but they will throttle and over time will degrade, not to mention that Windows 11 will be a decade old when 2025 rolls in.

You can opt for a higher priced laptop with an HS series of APU equipped laptops, run Curve Optimizer or undervolt using a third party app.

I wouldn't look at anything without a discrete GPU on a laptop with the titles you've mentioned for gaming.

My 2 cents.
 
Also this one for $500:


Used takes a lot longer to look into. Can probably get a more powerful GPU that way, but maybe only a step up or two. Compared to the integrated you are used to these things would be quite something.

If you want something with integrated only:

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/del...TechBargains&dclid=CKex1dfe3okDFQDSTwIduukC7g

https://www.samsung.com/us/computin...EAHOLIDAY2024&btn_ref=srctok-e594688ac37d7e09
 
From your shortlist I'd pick this one but regarding your intention to hold onto the laptop for a decade, that might be a big if, considering how you can't undervolt the processor anymore, the processors Intel and AMD both have are supposed to be okay at running at 100 Deg C but they will throttle and over time will degrade, not to mention that Windows 11 will be a decade old when 2025 rolls in.

You can opt for a higher priced laptop with an HS series of APU equipped laptops, run Curve Optimizer or undervolt using a third party app.

I wouldn't look at anything without a discrete GPU on a laptop with the titles you've mentioned for gaming.

My 2 cents.

Haven't thought about CPU's degrading, makes sense when I think about it now. Never noticed it with my old office equipment, however, perhaps since I never had one brand new I just never seen the performance loss over time. As for my 10-year plan, it depends on how well the hardware performs in future service. I only need to replace my laptop because I have reached its limitations.

I forgot to mention a couple of things in my first post. While it's true that Winders 11 will be EOL/EOS in the next few years, I will likely be using a Linux distro on whatever laptop is replacing the E560. Microsoft Shenanigans have gone on long enough, and I'd rather take the time to tailor a distro to my needs than use Windows as my main operating system again. Still, it's always good to have a plan for the future, or a concept of a plan at least.

Another thing I should have mentioned: I don't use my laptop for mobile gaming very often, less than once a month typically and not for long, a few hours maybe. This is one of the reasons why I’m not looking for a more expensive laptop. Now I could keep using my E560 for casual gaming, but I already have an EOL problem as Lenovo and Intel have stopped official support, and the laptop is not capable of a more comfortable gaming experience. Integrated graphics is pretty much all I need, although, a discrete GPU would help with better gaming performance overall.