Inadequate PSU? Broken card? Motherboard issue?

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Just got an ATI 9800 pro to replace my GeForce 3 ti200.
Doesn't seem to work.

Barton 2800+ @2.2
1 gig p3200 (unbranded, underclocked)
Abit KX7-333R (latest BIOS)
DVD-R
5 7200rpm hard drives (3 WD, 1 IBM, 1 Quantum)
350W PSU

Removed the old card- replaced it with the new one, IDE connector attached
(nothing else on this line).
Turned it on-
Screen remains blank (orange light). Everything else responds as normal.

It must be the PSU!
Disconnected three HDs, the optical drive and two case fans.
Nothing.
Replace ti200 -everything works fine.


Any ideas?
 
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Standard questions: Did you connect the monitor to the card? Did you
connect the extra power connector to the card? Is it seated properly?

I think you probably need a bigger PSU, regardless. I can't believe your
computer even functions with all those drives and such a small PSU. :)

The KX7-333R is an AGP 2x/4x board, I think. The newer 9800 Pros are 4x/8x.
While this SHOULDN'T cause a problem, who knows. Maybe the MB isn't coping
with the voltage selection properly. Is there anywhere in the BIOS to
control the AGP voltage? It should be at 1.5V.

Could be a bad card, too.


"sfjcody" <s.f.j.cody@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Just got an ATI 9800 pro to replace my GeForce 3 ti200.
> Doesn't seem to work.
>
> Barton 2800+ @2.2
> 1 gig p3200 (unbranded, underclocked)
> Abit KX7-333R (latest BIOS)
> DVD-R
> 5 7200rpm hard drives (3 WD, 1 IBM, 1 Quantum)
> 350W PSU
>
> Removed the old card- replaced it with the new one, IDE connector attached
> (nothing else on this line).
> Turned it on-
> Screen remains blank (orange light). Everything else responds as normal.
>
> It must be the PSU!
> Disconnected three HDs, the optical drive and two case fans.
> Nothing.
> Replace ti200 -everything works fine.
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
 
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Blainer wrote:
> Standard questions: Did you connect the monitor to the card? Did you
> connect the extra power connector to the card? Is it seated properly?
>

Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
(replaced it with the ti200 three times- each time the ti200 works and
the 9800 doesn't)


> I think you probably need a bigger PSU, regardless. I can't believe your
> computer even functions with all those drives and such a small PSU. :)

I haven't even mentioned the case fans yet...
Anyway, I disconnected all the hard drives, the DVD writer, half the
case fans, and removed the sound card, and set the 2800 to stock speeds.
Still no luck (tried two different IDE connectors).

> The KX7-333R is an AGP 2x/4x board, I think. The newer 9800 Pros are 4x/8x.
> While this SHOULDN'T cause a problem, who knows. Maybe the MB isn't coping
> with the voltage selection properly. Is there anywhere in the BIOS to
> control the AGP voltage? It should be at 1.5V.

A quick google search revealed several people claming to have PCs with
both KX7-333Rs and 9800 pros, so it might be something else.
Will check the BIOS shortly.

John Cody
 
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:09:14 +0100, sfjcody <s.f.j.cody@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Just got an ATI 9800 pro to replace my GeForce 3 ti200.
> Doesn't seem to work.
>
> Barton 2800+ @2.2
> 1 gig p3200 (unbranded, underclocked)
> Abit KX7-333R (latest BIOS)
> DVD-R
> 5 7200rpm hard drives (3 WD, 1 IBM, 1 Quantum)
> 350W PSU
>
> Removed the old card- replaced it with the new one, IDE connector attached
> (nothing else on this line).
> Turned it on-
> Screen remains blank (orange light). Everything else responds as normal.
>
> It must be the PSU!
> Disconnected three HDs, the optical drive and two case fans.
> Nothing.
> Replace ti200 -everything works fine.
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>

When you boot the machine with the new card do you even get to the POST
or BIOS stage or not? Have you tried simply hitting the RESET button?
Does that make the computer and video boot normally?

Larry Gagnon, A+ certified tech.
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:09:14 +0100, "sfjcody" <s.f.j.cody@durham.ac.uk>
wrote:

>Just got an ATI 9800 pro to replace my GeForce 3 ti200.
>Doesn't seem to work.
>
>Barton 2800+ @2.2
>1 gig p3200 (unbranded, underclocked)
>Abit KX7-333R (latest BIOS)
>DVD-R
>5 7200rpm hard drives (3 WD, 1 IBM, 1 Quantum)
>350W PSU
>
>Removed the old card- replaced it with the new one, IDE connector attached
>(nothing else on this line).

Why / how would you connect a IDE cable to it ?
>Turned it on-
>Screen remains blank (orange light). Everything else responds as normal.
>
>It must be the PSU!
>Disconnected three HDs, the optical drive and two case fans.
>Nothing.
>Replace ti200 -everything works fine.
>
>
>Any ideas?
>
 

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John Cody wrote:
> sfjcody wrote:
>
>> Just got an ATI 9800 pro to replace my GeForce 3 ti200.
>> Doesn't seem to work.
>>
>
> Found the solution:
>
> Disconnect power supply to card.
>
> Turn on pc.
>
> Reconnect power cable within a few seconds.
>
> System boots.
>
> http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=42582&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=1
>
welcome to the club John, thers's lots of us out there with the same
problen and fixes. I can get mine running with a shutdown and then
restart (not reboot). I'm presently looking at building a delay circuit
for the board, there's one over at
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=50573&page=3&pp=20 that
looks good.
I can't believe that ATI and PSU makers haven't resolved this problem
after all these years (Antec, my PSU maker, seems to be mentioned a lot).

Ray....
 
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:32:17 -0400, Ray wrote:

> John Cody wrote:
>> sfjcody wrote:
>>
>>> Just got an ATI 9800 pro to replace my GeForce 3 ti200.
>>> Doesn't seem to work.
>>>
>>
>> Found the solution:
>>
>> Disconnect power supply to card.
>>
>> Turn on pc.
>>
>> Reconnect power cable within a few seconds.
>>
>> System boots.
>>
>> http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=42582&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=1
>>
> welcome to the club John, thers's lots of us out there with the same
> problen and fixes. I can get mine running with a shutdown and then
> restart (not reboot). I'm presently looking at building a delay circuit
> for the board, there's one over at
> http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=50573&page=3&pp=20 that
> looks good.
> I can't believe that ATI and PSU makers haven't resolved this problem
> after all these years (Antec, my PSU maker, seems to be mentioned a lot).

Don't some motherboard BIOSes add an extended delay in the boot to ensure
power spikes stabilize prior to POSTing? Or is it the PSU simply
never sends a signal to indicate it is OK (PW_OK)?

Does hitting the reset button after the pc has been powered on for some
time work?

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"Ray" <black_bart100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> John Cody wrote:
> > sfjcody wrote:
> >
> >> Just got an ATI 9800 pro to replace my GeForce 3 ti200.
> >> Doesn't seem to work.
> >>
> >
> > Found the solution:
> >
> > Disconnect power supply to card.
> >
> > Turn on pc.
> >
> > Reconnect power cable within a few seconds.
> >
> > System boots.
> >
> >
http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=42582&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=1
> >
> welcome to the club John, thers's lots of us out there with the same
> problen and fixes. I can get mine running with a shutdown and then
> restart (not reboot). I'm presently looking at building a delay circuit
> for the board, there's one over at
> http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=50573&page=3&pp=20 that
> looks good.
> I can't believe that ATI and PSU makers haven't resolved this problem
> after all these years (Antec, my PSU maker, seems to be mentioned a lot).
>
> Ray....

Ray and John,

If doing a restart helps (the drives are still spinning and require less
power to speed up than when they are stopped) , then it strongly suggests a
weak, failing, or underpowered PSU.
Same for plugging in the power cable after the HDDs,etc are up to speed.
Buffalo
 
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John Cody wrote:

> sfjcody wrote:
> > Just got an ATI 9800 pro to replace my GeForce 3 ti200.
> > Doesn't seem to work.
> >
>
> Found the solution:
>
> Disconnect power supply to card.
>
> Turn on pc.
>
> Reconnect power cable within a few seconds.
>
> System boots.
>
> http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=42582&FTV
> AR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=1



Notwithstanding your solution (why am I surprised with a Via board) ..
you have a seriously inadequate power supply.

http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/

Even allowing for one fan in the case and this only goes up to four
hard drives plus a sound card .. you came out to 396 watts.

If you have other cards in there along with the sound card start adding
more to the table. The hard drives alone take 25 watts each (125 watts
of your power required for them alone). The Athlon takes 69 watts and
your Radeon 54 watts .. time for a much bigger power supply.

regards

@ndrew
 
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"@ndrew" <andrewratinternodedotondotnet> wrote in message
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Are you the same @ndrew that used to post in the Creative Labs NG? (still
hate Asus MBs?)
Buffalo :)
 
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Well, after looking through more of your posts here, I see that you are.
You are a barrel-full of great information.
Your opinions are well thought out and very helpful.

"Buffalo" <eric(nospam)@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> "@ndrew" <andrewratinternodedotondotnet> wrote in message
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> Are you the same @ndrew that used to post in the Creative Labs NG? (still
> hate Asus MBs?)
> Buffalo :)
>
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Buffalo wrote:

> "Ray" <black_bart100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>John Cody wrote:
>>
>>>sfjcody wrote:

>>>
>>>Disconnect power supply to card.
>>>
>>>Turn on pc.
>>>
>>>Reconnect power cable within a few seconds.
>>>
>>>System boots.
>>>
>>>
>
> http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=42582&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=1
>
>>welcome to the club John, thers's lots of us out there with the same
>>problen and fixes. I can get mine running with a shutdown and then
>>restart (not reboot). I'm presently looking at building a delay circuit
>>for the board, there's one over at
>>http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=50573&page=3&pp=20
>>Ray....
>
>
> Ray and John,
>
> If doing a restart helps (the drives are still spinning and require less
> power to speed up than when they are stopped) , then it strongly suggests a
> weak, failing, or underpowered PSU.
> Same for plugging in the power cable after the HDDs,etc are up to speed.
> Buffalo
>
>
Thanks Buffalo, no a restart does not work for me, it has to be a total
shutdown and then restart to get going. The power supply is an almost
brand new 380 watt Antec. And therein seems to be the problem, it has to
do with voltage protection with some of the better PSU's I'm led to
believe, even ATI have told me this.

Quote
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Regarding power supply work around:

None as yet. The power supplies with smart sensors don't seem to pick
up the voltage requirements properly.

Regards,

XXXX XXXXXX
Customer Care Canada
ATI Technologies, Inc.
ati.com
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Unquote

I fared no better when I contacted Antec
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Yes, we are aware of this issue. There is a compability problem between
the earlier version of the ATI 9800 and our True Series power supplies.
This is a video card problem and ATI already has made the necessary
changes for this video card to work with our power supplies. I suggest
that you call ATI for a solution. Thank you.
--------------------------------------------------

And from what I read on various message boards, this problem has been
around for a number of years.
The strange part about it is that it does not affect similar systems the
same, I suspect it has to do with manufacturing tolerances, one system
may have components, video board, psu, motherboard etc. that just happen
to have resisters, capacitors, whatever that are at one end of the
tolerance range (I seem to remember that capacitors have a very large
tolerance spread) I don't know if this makes sense or not but it's all I
can think of at this time.
Ray..
 
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Buffalo wrote:

> Well, after looking through more of your posts here, I see that you
> are. You are a barrel-full of great information.
> Your opinions are well thought out and very helpful.
>

Thanks mate .. I am the one and the same ... and I try.

regards

@ndrew