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have any of you dealt with insurance companies. the guys house we play at had a
little water mishap. a few days later we found 432 25mm heavy infantry figures
underwater. it was insured but we have no clue on how to really get a
replacement cost value for them. any help would be appreciated.

thanks
larry
 
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>. a few days later we found 432 25mm heavy infantry figures
>underwater. it was insured but we have no clue on how to really get a
>replacement cost value for them. any help would be appreciated.

Some questions first:

1. Were they painted?
2. How long underwater?
3. How old are the figures (were they made of lead-tin alloy or lead free?)
4. Who made the figures?
5. If painted, quality of the paint job....as verified by pictures BEFORE the
mishap?

Without this info, it will me next to impossible without an insurance specific
policy before the mishap.

Best,
Tom Dye
GFI
GFI/Minifigs: www.minifigs.com (303)361-6465
Attactix:Bill@attactix.com (303)699-3349

Makers of Minifigs to the Americas!
 
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The following is my opinion based on the facts presented. It is not
intended to be legal advice, nor is it intended to establish an
attorney-client relationship. I WILL NOT REPRESENT YOU IN THIS MATTER.
If you are seeking legal advice, I would recommend you contact an
attorney in your jurisdiction familiar with its local laws and insurance
regulations.


1. Get a certified copy of your policy. Generally these policies call
for replacement value and imply or state that depreciation of the
article is a consideration.

2. If you have photos, you are 3/4 of the way to establishing both
prior ownership and prior condition.

3. Is the raw lead undamaged? If so, the salvage value of the figure
is a consideration. Generally damaged articles that require a lot of
restoration to repaint or refinish have a "zero" salvage value -- your
adjuster will generally try to get you to agree that the raw figure is
the same value as a damaged fig -- depends on the damages and how much
work to put things right but . . . generally 15 to 30 min to clean a
figure (even at minimum wage) exceeds the value of a new comparable figure.

4. If comparable figs are purchased and bought elsewhere -- this is the
value -- e.g.. what a willing buyer would pay a willing seller -- do
look at E-Bay and see what comparable stuff sells for. Keep records of
these sales. A sampling of 6 or 8 such sales should be sufficient to
establish fair market value. NOTE -- there is a difference between new
and "used figs". That being said, painted figs are not merely a
commodity, they have some artistic value as well.

5. Gather up your best 6 or 8 E-bay transactions that deal with sales
of figs comparable to yours (best if you compare Romans to Romans but
not totally necessary -- besides your adjuster probably doesn't know a
Roman from roam'in. Your demand should be the average cost to purchase
comparable figures (plus applicable postage and tax) in identical
numbers. If the insurance company tries to stick you with a deduction
for salvage value, tell em they can have the damaged figs -- come and
get em -- doubt they will call your bluff -- you will probably end up
with the damage goods anyway (for whatever they are worth).

Hope this helps. Again, your insurance policy language, local laws and
a first hand inspection of your figs might well change my opinion as
stated above. If you choose to rely on my opinions, you do so at your
own peril -- see a local attorney if you need accurate, competent legal
advice.

mjc

Corzin wrote:

> have any of you dealt with insurance companies. the guys house we play at had a
> little water mishap. a few days later we found 432 25mm heavy infantry figures
> underwater. it was insured but we have no clue on how to really get a
> replacement cost value for them. any help would be appreciated.
>
> thanks
> larry
 
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Great advice, there, MJC! You said it better than I!

Tom Dye
GFI
GFI/Minifigs: www.minifigs.com (303)361-6465
Attactix:Bill@attactix.com (303)699-3349

Makers of Minifigs to the Americas!
 
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thanks for the advice- i am looking more for the process to follow as opposed
to how much this particular group of figures is worth- since like most people
we own many different types of figures and sizes and qualities and i know
nothing of the policy other than the homeowner saying he has been paying more
for "replacement value". but since one of the things damaged is his
computers-someone has to do some research
i was probably going to use prices from places like gajo or someof the
companies I see at conventions as opposed to ebay as i figured dealers prices
would be more consistant and verifiable by an adjuster. although that would
make it a new figure as opposed to a used figure
anyway thanks agai

larry
 
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Well there are two values to be considered, purchase value and replacement
value.

You have at least some figures to check against and get an idea of the paint
job.

For purchase value do some eBay searching to find similar figures and what
they cost. Insurance policy probably has a maximum limit it will pay for
undeclared items. I have an extensive collection so my figures are
specifically listed at £60,000 with updates for inflation.

For replacement value, find 3 figure painters and ask them how much it would
cost for similar figures. Same proviso as above.

--
Justin Taylor
justin@hellou2.fsnet.co.uk
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Justin raises a good point, insurance law in the UK is decidedly more
"contractural" than in the USA. You probably do have to obtain a
special rider for figures. At least this is my impression.

US law varies state to state but tends to be more "friendly" to the
insured as the insurance contract is often considered a contract of
adhesion and the relationship is often "fiduciary" or "quasi-fiduciary".
Just the same you need to know your own policy provisions and the law
in your specific jurisdiction.

In the US, it is my impression that very often a home owner's policy
will cover such a loss up to the limits set for "stuff" in the house --
in my policy this is equal to the replacement value of my house.
Having been through a house fire 8 or 9 years ago, I have tested this
position first hand with success - figs were covered without any special
rider.

mjc

Justin Taylor wrote:
> Well there are two values to be considered, purchase value and replacement
> value.
>
> You have at least some figures to check against and get an idea of the paint
> job.
>
> For purchase value do some eBay searching to find similar figures and what
> they cost. Insurance policy probably has a maximum limit it will pay for
> undeclared items. I have an extensive collection so my figures are
> specifically listed at £60,000 with updates for inflation.
>
> For replacement value, find 3 figure painters and ask them how much it would
> cost for similar figures. Same proviso as above.
>
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

Justin raises a good point, insurance law in the UK is decidedly more
"contractural" than in the USA. You probably do have to obtain a
special rider for figures. At least this is my impression.

US law varies state to state but tends to be more "friendly" to the
insured as the insurance contract is often considered a contract of
adhesion and the relationship is often "fiduciary" or "quasi-fiduciary".
Just the same you need to know your own policy provisions and the law
in your specific jurisdiction.

In the US, it is my impression that very often a home owner's policy
will cover such a loss up to the limits set for "stuff" in the house --
in my policy this is equal to the replacement value of my house.
Having been through a house fire 8 or 9 years ago, I have tested this
position first hand with success - figs were covered without any special
rider.

mjc

Justin Taylor wrote:
> Well there are two values to be considered, purchase value and replacement
> value.
>
> You have at least some figures to check against and get an idea of the paint
> job.
>
> For purchase value do some eBay searching to find similar figures and what
> they cost. Insurance policy probably has a maximum limit it will pay for
> undeclared items. I have an extensive collection so my figures are
> specifically listed at £60,000 with updates for inflation.
>
> For replacement value, find 3 figure painters and ask them how much it would
> cost for similar figures. Same proviso as above.
>