Intel and HP Lead Battle Against Conflict Minerals

[Guest]

For the second time, the Enough Project has listed technology companies for their effort to avoid conflict minerals in their products.

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[kcorp2003]

even if you stop the "Conflict Minerals". i'm sure some other middle man will buy it from Congo and sell it back to intel, HP, etc.. for 10x more.

btw shame on you Nintendo.

 

[aqualipt]

Thumb me down all you want but this is necessary.

For a few people to be rich there must be a lot of poor people, this how it is and how it always have been.

 

[aqualipt]

[citation][nom]kcorp2003[/nom]btw shame on you Nintendo.[/citation]

Why? because they want to make profit out people like every other company in this world?

 

[Branden]

[citation][nom]aqualipt[/nom]Why? because they want to make profit out people like every other company in this world?[/citation]
because they are knowingly and willingly turning a blind eye to the poor conditions, violence and exploitation they are indirectly supporting, that's why.

 

[southernshark]

This is meaningless.

Any company that partakes in the market place raises the price of conflict minerals. Its like the price of oil. It does not matter who you buy it from, it only matters if you don't buy it.

I am not saying there is an alternative, but to suggest they have done something is false.

 

[nebun]

if they really want to take down the diamond criminals then they really need to look at all the so called jewelry stores...those stores are full of illegal merchandise

 

[aqualipt]

[citation][nom]Branden[/nom]because they are knowingly and willingly turning a blind eye to the poor conditions, violence and exploitation they are indirectly supporting, that's why.[/citation]

So what? do you want prices to go up?

 

[A Bad Day]

[citation][nom]nebun[/nom]if they really want to take down the diamond criminals then they really need to look at all the so called jewelry stores...those stores are full of illegal merchandise[/citation]

It's kinda hard to tell the difference between legit and blood diamonds, no? And the authentication process will get wrenched by bribery or intimation.

 

[SchizoFrog]

Leading the way with only 60 points out of 100?
In any kind of school test that would mean your brightest pupil is still a failing retard. Should we really be praising these companies at all?

 

[Guest]

@aqualipt: "For a few people to be rich there must be a lot of poor people, this how it is and how it always have been."

Bull____, prosperity is only a zero-sum game in the minds of those with no sense of history. I'm sorry if you've been fed this stuff in school or the media, but the US and most other countries (not all, I'm looking at you, Albania) embracing capitalism have effected the largest transfer of wealth of ALL its citizenry in history, creating a "middle class" that lives fairly comfortably. Admittedly, some socialist societies have also achieved this goal, but many falter because a too strong government becomes corrupt, causing its people more harm than good.

 

[4745454b]

So why only Congo? I'm sure there are plenty of places where working conditions on bad. Or using slave/child labor. I wouldn't audit and pass out praises if they care about one country or region, but if they hold their ENTIRE supply chain to these high standards.

 

[madjimms]

Socialism>Capitalism...

 

[jprahman]

[citation][nom]nebun[/nom]if they really want to take down the diamond criminals then they really need to look at all the so called jewelry stores...those stores are full of illegal merchandise[/citation]
Next time a guy forgets to buy his girlfriend/wife a gift for valentine's day he should say that he was going to buy a diamond ring, but he was on a boycott of jewelry stores. I'd like to see how that ends.

 

[ojas]

[citation][nom]Evil Mr M[/nom]@aqualipt: "For a few people to be rich there must be a lot of poor people, this how it is and how it always have been."Bull____, prosperity is only a zero-sum game in the minds of those with no sense of history. I'm sorry if you've been fed this stuff in school or the media, but the US and most other countries (not all, I'm looking at you, Albania) embracing capitalism have effected the largest transfer of wealth of ALL its citizenry in history, creating a "middle class" that lives fairly comfortably. Admittedly, some socialist societies have also achieved this goal, but many falter because a too strong government becomes corrupt, causing its people more harm than good.[/citation]
You know, the middle class is the most fucked up because it doesn't have that kind of wealth that rich people do, but it has to keep social standards as well.

The present capitalist system is severely fucked up. It makes the rich richer and poor poorer. The middle class simply has to keep working harder to make sure their kids get to go to college.

Until we move from this consumerist economy to a sustainable one we're going to be in deep shit a few years down the line.

BTW, the present capitalism is what drives conflicts and conflict minerals. Found 'em WMDs in Iraq yet? But oh, look at the oil...

 

[alidan]

[citation][nom]aqualipt[/nom]Thumb me down all you want but this is necessary.For a few people to be rich there must be a lot of poor people, this how it is and how it always have been.[/citation]

you can talk about sweat shops that way, at least they over all are a good things, but the conflict diamonds and minerals, if they are handled the same way, are honestly worse than real slave labor.

[citation][nom]4745454b[/nom]So why only Congo? I'm sure there are plenty of places where working conditions on bad. Or using slave/child labor. I wouldn't audit and pass out praises if they care about one country or region, but if they hold their ENTIRE supply chain to these high standards.[/citation]

well, most places even with child labor, don't kill the kid for being slow or actually work them to death

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now with all that said, i don't care where the materials come from, just because we boycott this, doesn't make it go away, it just makes it cheaper, there will always be money in the diamonds and minerals. i dont see the point in complaining that companies use them, unless we ever intervene with military against them.

and to the other persons point that 60 out of 100 is failing.
im assuming that the only way to get 100 is to own and operate all facilities in the supply chain and hand over complete records of everything.

intel ill assume probed where they get materials from in their suppliers, and only used suppliers who dont have a history of importing from them after the materials were deemed bad.

 

[master_chen]

Intel DOES what NintenDON'T.

 

[deksman]

[citation][nom]aqualipt[/nom]So what? do you want prices to go up?[/citation]

If that's all you care about...

Alternatives existed for sometime... diamonds can be produced synthetically. We've been doing it since 1950's... and since 1996, chip sized synthetic diamonds (applicable in electronics since then) was doable.

We live in an age where humanity is producing abundance in practically everything (and have been doing that for at least 100 years).

The only reason you have above conflicts is because of a monetary based system (and its in someones interest to do things like this).
Nothing more, nothing less.

Its inhumane and sickening.

 

[digiex]

I think the data on conflict minerals are inaccurate since they are easier to "launder" than money

 

[willard]

[citation][nom]master_chen[/nom]Intel DOES what NintenDON'T.[/citation]
I'm guessing the average Tom's reader wasn't around for those commercials, or was at least too young to remember them.

Ahh nostalgia, +1 for you sir!

 

[nibir2011]

[citation][nom]aqualipt[/nom]Thumb me down all you want but this is necessary.For a few people to be rich there must be a lot of poor people, this how it is and how it always have been.[/citation]

That is capitalism. And it is not how it was meant to be. The idea of capitalism came from islamic economy as it says to do business with honesty and earn as much as you can but spend according to your necessity.

And it also says what you said above that people of different wealth group is needed to have a working society.

But the point missed is EQUAL RIGHTS what capitalism stripped of from that idea. In capitalism everyone does not get equally treated. Most importantly everyone doe not get a equal chance. AND Capitalism KEEPS PEOPLE POOR MAKES PEOPLE POOR so it can achieve cheap labour from it.

People do not feel bad if they are treated equally even if they are poor because in social status they are equal what if they do not have a million dollar watch or billion dollars in bank.

But in capitalism people are kept poor that is pure evil.

so it is not the poorness that we should eliminate. People tried it in socialism and failed. We need to eliminate social discrimination in respect of wealth all over the world.

 

[master_chen]

[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I'm guessing the average Tom's reader wasn't around for those commercials, or was at least too young to remember them.Ahh nostalgia, +1 for you sir![/citation]
Look at my age in my "Profile".

 

[Guest]

-K-zon-

Had posted a comment before and seems not to be there now at least if there was a comment posted to say at least.

 

[alidan]

[citation][nom]willard[/nom]I'm guessing the average Tom's reader wasn't around for those commercials, or was at least too young to remember them.Ahh nostalgia, +1 for you sir![/citation]

what the average reader wasnt around for the early sega and nintendo console era.
i still remember sega screaming at you with SEGA... found that very annoying... but my favroite were the very disgusting nindedo ads... remember the to nail ad? or the used barf bag one...

 

[master_chen]

[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]disgusting nindedo ads... remember the[/citation]
Zelda Rap!