News Intel Apollo Lake CPUs May Die Sooner Than Expected

[Admin]

Intel refreshes Celeron and Pentium Apollo Lake processors due to degradation concerns.

Intel Apollo Lake CPUs May Die Sooner Than Expected : Read more

 

[NightHawkRMX]

And wasn't Intel just bashing AMD with degradation concerns?

 

[WildCard999]

And wasn't AMD just being bashed for degradation concerns?

Yup.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-boost-clock-controversy-intel-attack,40231.html

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Intel is being a hypocritical lier, or in other words, Intel is just being Intel

 

[patbb]

Intel refreshes Celeron and Pentium Apollo Lake processors due to degradation concerns.

Intel Apollo Lake CPUs May Die Sooner Than Expected : Read more

You have totally misunderstood this Intel PCN. The current B-1 stepping parts are N3350, N4200, J3355 and J3455. The new F-1 stepping parts will add an "E". Your article is totally wrong.

Launched Q3'2016 https://ark.intel.com/content/www/i...n-processor-n3350-2m-cache-up-to-2-4-ghz.html

Launched Q3'2019 https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...processor-n3350e-2m-cache-up-to-2-40-ghz.html

 

[Soaptrail]

And wasn't Intel just bashing AMD with degradation concerns?

Yup.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-boost-clock-controversy-intel-attack,40231.html

But this is totally different. Intel alluded without proof that Ryzen will have a shortened life where Intel CPU's have a shortened life that is costing them money! So totally not the same thing. Nothing hypocritical at all.

/sarcasm

 

[King_V]

And wasn't Intel just bashing AMD with degradation concerns?

I wonder how much they're grumbling at the irony.

And, that these are likely to fail within the warranty period.

This can't have been a surprise internally. What lunatic decided to use an unconfirmed source to bash AMD with the possibility of slightly shortened lifespan, when their own stuff (admittedly the cheap, low end stuff) was something they'd (presumably before today) realized was likely to fail within warranty?

 

[TerryLaze]

Intel identified an issue with the Low Pin Count (LPC), Real Time Clock (RTC), SD Card interfaces on Intel Celeron N3350, J3355, J3455 processors and Intel Pentium N4200 processor resulting in degradation of these signals at a rate higher than Intel's quality goals after multiple years in service.

Anybody that could maybe explain what these are :
Low Pin Count (LPC),
Real Time Clock (RTC),
SD Card interfaces
and how they could cause a CPU to die?
Intel is saying that only the signal from these degrade would that kill a CPU?

 

[BFG-9000]

Those are all lines that lead directly into the 14nm CPU die, which simply haven't been designed with enough surge or voltage resistance to last through the warranty period--exactly the same problem as their 65nm Sandy Bridge 60-series chipsets had with the SATA II ports that died. Many of those died within months.

For decades, I only saw one dead Intel CPU--a 350nm Pentium I which would only run when the L1 cache was disabled. And then I saw many dead 130nm Northwood Pentium IVs. More recently I'm seeing a lot of degrading 22nm Haswell chips with the fully integrated VRM. So Intel suggesting that AMD might have future problems just because they are at 7nm is ridiculous--it's all about design, in this case how well protected the delicate internals are from any high voltage I/O lines.

At 14nm, even the 3.3v SD cards use is "high voltage."

 

[alextheblue]

This can't have been a surprise internally. What lunatic decided to use an unconfirmed source to bash AMD with the possibility of slightly shortened lifespan, when their own stuff (admittedly the cheap, low end stuff) was something they'd (presumably before today) realized was likely to fail within warranty?

Agreed.

Side note, although it may be "low end", these chips often end up in non-PC applications like a NAS that are expected to run 24/7 for years. Whoops!

 

[refillable]

When you accuse others of something untrue: immoral
When you accuse others of something untrue but it turns out you are the one doing it: idiotic

 

[BFG-9000]

Actually, accusing your opponent of doing something you are guilty of is a time-honored political campaign tactic. By the time the truth comes out, if the opponent complains it just looks like they are copying and the charge loses much of its impact.

 

[sonic.millenium]

So what are the owners of said chips (in laptops as an e.g.) are meant to do? :-| Swallow it or what?..