News Intel Arc Xe3 Celestial GPU enters pre-validation stage

[Admin]

LinkedIn profiles suggest that Intel Xe3 Celestial has already reached the pre-validation stage.

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[Notton]

Intel released A580 (2023 Oct 10) a full year after A770 (2022 Oct 12).
I forgot where I heard it, but an Arc engineer or rumor said they had to choose between B580 or B770 and chose the former.
So it stands to reason that Intel doesn't have the resources to launch both cards at the same time.
Maybe we'll see B770 by 2025 Dec?
What's worse is there is not even a rumor for B300 series when zero stock exists for A300 series.
Hopefully Celestial is more on track as there are less Intel distractions this time around.

 

[thestryker]

I'm hoping a Celestial dGPU still happens, but with the new leadership it's hard to say. I do think the circumstance Intel is in does allow them to release new cards more often. I can envision them doing refreshes or simply allowing older architecture to be lower SKUs. They've been playing catch up and are adding IP to CPUs pretty quickly. When PTL comes out Intel will have released CPUs with 3 different graphics architectures within 18 months of one another. While I don't think releasing more Alchemist dGPUs makes sense due to the architecture issues Battlemage seems good enough and Celestial should be even better.

Maybe we'll see B770 by 2025 Dec?

If it happens at all this seems to be a likely timeframe.

What's worse is there is not even a rumor for B300 series when zero stock exists for A300 series.

I'm betting there just won't be this segment anymore. The margins are so tight sub $200 seems unlikely and Intel has doubled up the base number of IGP cores while integrating TB (this means more display outputs on motherboards).

 

[Moores_Ghost]

Until the drivers and game support get better it doesn't matter. Meanwhile Intel is more focused on productivity than gaming on their gaming GPUs.
The drivers are why there is no high end Battlemage SKU. If the drivers worked as intended the A750 would work like a 3060 TI and the A770 would routinely beat the 3070. They actually can do it. But they aren't.
Same with Battlemage. And Celestial will be no different.
Just like Xe2, Xe3 will be crammed into low power processors for the thin and light laptop crowd. Shortly after a pair of dGPUs will arrive. Could be end of year but more likely 2026 for desktop. For mobile it might be here Q4.

 

[thestryker]

The drivers are why there is no high end Battlemage SKU. If the drivers worked as intended the A750 would work like a 3060 TI and the A770 would routinely beat the 3070. They actually can do it. But they aren't.

This is flat out false with regards to Alchemist at the very least. It's actually an architecture issue, not drivers, which caused a lot of their performance variation. Raja flat out admitted to this and surmised that it was largely due to the team never having made a dGPU architecture before. No amount of driver improvement can overcome an architectural failing.

Battlemage fixed at least some of the architectural problems, but there still appears to be some form of overhead issue. It's possible this is driver related in some fashion, but it could also be architectural. The fact that it hasn't gotten any better since being widely publicized points more towards the latter, but I wouldn't want to say anything definitive.

 

[beyondlogic]

This is flat out false with regards to Alchemist at the very least. It's actually an architecture issue, not drivers, which caused a lot of their performance variation. Raja flat out admitted to this and surmised that it was largely due to the team never having made a dGPU architecture before. No amount of driver improvement can overcome an architectural failing.

Battlemage fixed at least some of the architectural problems, but there still appears to be some form of overhead issue. It's possible this is driver related in some fashion, but it could also be architectural. The fact that it hasn't gotten any better since being widely publicized points more towards the latter, but I wouldn't want to say anything definitive.

if memory serves me right arc is missing a co processor which might explain the driver overhead on cpu side most gpu co proccessors handle the mundane things which is why arc suffers when sam isnt on cause it cant contact the cpu directly.

no idea if this was added on battlemage though but do remember reading about it a while back in arcs case it was removed. which some speculated it would work with intels chipset driver.