Intel Build vs Ryzen Build

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Hey guys, I'm about to order parts for a new computer build and have been going back and forth between the new ryzen 2600x and the 8600k cpu's. With the ryzen build I currently am looking at a gtx 1070 gpu with an asus prime x470 board. With the 8600k I'm looking at a gtx 1060 6gb along with a z370 taichi. If I get the 1060 with the ryzen build it will be $100 dollars less. Which build would give me the better performance overall for gaming?
 
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Check this out for CPU comparison

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FncF676dhPg"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTF3cyw7vrk"][/video]

Intel i7-8700K beats R7 2700X by a minimum decent margin and even larger margin in specified titles. R7 2700X is better for productive workload(multi-core workload like video editing and rendering) for gaming i7-8700K is the King.

Check this out for GPU comparison

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvsQ_fNQnk"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_cOVmKPt0&t=33s"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly7p7CvzV3c"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m52806UY9rc"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs_YHuPGR3I"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnHbzj-3xTc"][/video]

There is average of 35% improvement in performance with GTX1080Ti over GTX1080 which is a huge gain.

i7-8700K and GTX1080Ti combo gives you even larger performance gain of around 40-45% over R5 2600X and GTX1080 combo which is huge.

Spend only $40 extra than your budget and get huge performance gain.

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price...

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The GTX1070 is better with 8600k. The Ryzen will gimp stuff past a GTX1060. Use Ryzen for video cards that are GTX1060 or slower. Beyond that go Intel.

The best value Ryzen are the 1600 and 1700. See the 1600 for essentially $120:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/478826/Ryzen_5_1600_32GHz_6_Core_AM4_Boxed_Processor_with_Wraith_Spire_Cooler

And the 1700 for essentially $140:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/485472/Ryzen_7_1700_Summit_Ridge_30_GHz_8_Core_AM4_Boxed_Processor_with_Wraith_Spire_Cooler

Once overclocked there is almost no noticeable gap between the 1700 and 2700x, and 1600 and 2600x.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3919vs3955

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3957vs3917

There is no good reason to overpay for the 2600(x or not) and 2700(x or not). AMD is massively overpricing to get donations from the gullible.
 
Whatever build gets you the GTX 1070 is best. If you are strictly gaming, the graphics card matters most. Idk what nobspls is talking about concerning ryzen hindering a graphics card. Processors have very little to do with gaming performance. I'd just get an intel 8400.
 

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The GTX1070 is too expensive to be gimped by going cheap on the CPU. You don't spend $500 or more on a GPU only to be capped at what you can get out of it.

But for those that want cost effective cheaper option, the GTX1060 is really good and you can go with cheap Ryzen like the $120 R5 1600 and not worry about a thing.

If you want more data on how Ryzen will gimp your expensive video card just see:

ttps://www.techspot.com/review/1505-intel-core-8th-gen-vs-amd-ryzen/page6.html

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2017/05/26/definitive_amd_ryzen_7_realworld_gaming_guide/13
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Overall, the Intel Kaby Lake 7700K CPU at 5GHz Z270 system provided the highest performance while gaming. Didn’t matter if it was single-GPU, multi-GPU, 1080p, or 1440p, or 4K, the most wins (at least in terms of raw data) are with the 7700K at an overclocked 5GHz.

Overall, the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X at an overclocked 4GHz provided the same performance and gameplay experience as the Intel 2600K on Z68 at 4.5GHz. It was most competitive with the 2600K CPU with both overclocked to the highest levels.

In terms of gameplay experience we felt the 2600K and Ryzen CPUs "felt" the same while gaming in single-GPU at any resolution. We "felt" the 7700K at 5GHz had an experience advantage at all resolutions, and especially with multi-GPU CrossFire.
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https://www.techspot.com/article/1496-pairing-cpu-and-gpu-bottlenecking/

http://www.legitreviews.com/cpu-bottleneck-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-tested-on-amd-ryzen-versus-intel-kaby-lake_192585/4
 

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Considering other expenses unrelated to the computer build, can't spend more than the cost of the Intel build which is around $1650. I won't have any more money to go towards it for a little while after the next payday.
 
Here is the list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($346.96 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF Z370 Plus Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($110.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($152.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Black PCIe 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card ($749.99 @ B&H)
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1641.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-13 00:52 EDT-0400

All are high quality components. Hope you consider it.
 

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Ignore what nobpls is saying. You are not gimping your system by going with a 1070 on a Ryzen cpu. Most games are heavily GPU bound than CPU especially when you go to higher resolutions. Although there are a few exceptions, but only a few. If you plan on steaming games at high frames, Ryzen walks all over Intel in that department.

A 1060 will struggle with some games above 1080p no matter what cpu you decide to go with. You could have a dual cpu motherboard with 2 of the fastest chips on the planet and it won't mean anything if you attempt to play a AAA title ABOVE 1080p. For that you need a better GPU. Get the 1070 if you can afford it.
 

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Was thinking about getting the x470 taichi board(the regular one ), instead of the Asus Prime. Any suggestions between those two? From what I gather the taichi is good for Wi-Fi and additional overclocking capabilities.
 

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Ryzen will gimp your GTX1070. I got a R5 1600 and R7 1700. I've benchmarked both with a GTX1070 vs an 8600k and 8700K. The evidence is clear and obvious. The gimping is not as terrible as with a GTX1080ti, but you are spending $500 or more on a GTX1070. Why would you cut corners now and go with Ryzen?

The whole point of Ryzen is to be cheap cost effective build. The only cheap cost effective GPU is the GTX1060. There is no good reason to do things half way just to be mediocre. Going R5 1600 with GTX1060 will maximize your dollars. Going Intel with GTX1070 will get you as much performance as your dollars allow. Doing something in between means you lost your purpose and will only be spending more money to be mediocre and not getting the saving or performance. Figure out your purpose and commit to it.
 

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This is IPC. For all intents and purposes a Pinnacle Ridge Ryzen and a CoffeeLake Intel are the same thing. Anything above monitor refresh is wasted anyways, so it matters very little if Intel can squeeze a few more fps or not.

This'll do 1440p nicely, it's solid and quality, without scraping the bottom of the barrel cheapest components (ugly too) just to squeeze out a 1080ti.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($223.49 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($140.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3466 Memory ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($114.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.79 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($569.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1573.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-13 20:03 EDT-0400
 

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There is no reason to go with a 2600x when you can get a 8600k for $220 with another $30 off on the motherboard see:
www.microcenter.com/product/486089/Core_i5-8600K_Coffee_Lake_36_GHz_LGA_1151_Boxed_Processor

And with a budget of $1500 or more you might as well go all-in on a 8700k it is only a tiny bit in the big picture see:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/486088/Core_i7-8700K_Coffee_Lake_37_GHz_LGA_1151_Boxed_Processor

Its $300 with $30 off on the mobo.

The 2600x is total ripoff you can get similar performance from a 1600 for essentially $120 see:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/478826/Ryzen_5_1600_32GHz_6_Core_AM4_Boxed_Processor_with_Wraith_Spire_Cooler






 

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I've overclocked my 1600 to 4.0 Ghz using a cheapo old Hyper 212. It is easy to do. There is nothing the ryzen+ 2xxx is going to give you that justifies spending $100 more for them. The "X" for unlocked is also nonsense, and spending more for those is just silly. AMD does not lock any of the their ryzens, you can overclock all of them, and once overclocked the 1600 is nearly just as good as the 2600x.

And having watched how AMD reduces prices on their stuff by massive amounts in less than a years, they tried pushing the 1600 for $220 just 9 month ago, you can bet that 2600 will be down to $120 in nine months too. So the lesson to be learned here is do no pay for the privilege for being a guinea pig.
 

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BTW you can see my results for my R5 1600 at 4.0 Ghz here:
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/7865794

And you can see that the 2600x is not doing enough to justify it additional $100 premium.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X/Rating/3956

BTW if you are curious you can also see my 4.0 Ghz overclock of my R7 1700:
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8685344

And in comparison the 2700x doing basically the same performance for nearly $130 more:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/Rating/3958


 

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Using 2400 ram? Even with OC you are missing out on about 20% performance vrs 3200.

And if you look at your own numbers, your 1600 comes in Gaming 66%, the 2600X Gaming is 94%. There's simply too much discrepancy to warrant claims of they are overpriced for the same thing.

They simply aren't. Pinnacle Ridge gets 7%-10% faster IPC. That's documented. It's the difference between Ivy-Bridge and Haswell, or Haswell Refresh and skylake, or kabylake and CoffeeLake.

And while IPC may or may not make any difference in games, is upto the game engine, in BF4 for instance, the old FX 8350 came in just behind the i7-4790k for fps, handily beating the i5-4690k simply due to better multi-thread use. Intels IPC put it on top. Anything like cs:go or skyrim, heavily single threaded optimized will rock with high IPC, but with Pinnacle Ridge IPC right behind CoffeeLake, there's honestly no real difference you could quantify. Max fps means nothing when above monitor refresh, only minimum fps counts there and either cpu line is well capable of over 144fps.

And just for 'it's and giggles, a stock Ryzen 1700 will win zip a file twice as fast as an i7-8700k. That's half as long, no matter what size file. Streaming? Ryzen beats Intel all day long. Intel currently has 1 advantage, just 1, higher IPC leading to higher max fps. By on average less than 20 fps. Big deal.

If you live for benchmark stats, fine, stick with Intel, you'll squeak out your Ryzen plus friends, but for all intents and purposes, when it comes to IRL gaming, they are equitable, same thing.
 

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You really don't know how to look at data do you? That 94% is not directly impacted by the CPU. That includes the average GPU, SSDs etc. used in the tests. There is NO Discrepancy BTW.

The CPU number for the 2600x are: 119, 453, and 969. See:
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And that compare basically the same as my 1600 at 4Ghz at:
119, 465, and 997, see:
https://i.imgur.com/RuGNHGB.jpg
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The so called gaming score, desktop, and workstation scores, are all weighted averages can factor in stuff like SSD, GPU, memory etc. I am just a cheapskate when building a budget build making use of old SSDs, ram, and threw in a GTX1060 3GB.

BTW as you noted, all this is done with cheap 2400 RAM, and CPU scores are essentially the same as the 2600x. And you are not getting 20% more CPU performance by going 3200 RAM. The RAM benches may improve 20% but that CPU won't improve by more than 2%, and it would same improvement for the 1600 and 2600x. Which all to say the 2600x is terrible value, when you can get the same with a $100 cheaper 1600.


 

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https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600/13.html

Seems the i7-8700k is not king of gaming, it's beat quite often. As you go up in resolution, it becomes even less so and by 4k, the differences between the Ryzen and i7 becomes non existent, averaging 2-3fps either way.

Nobody gives a hoot about pure cpu tests, it's all about the entire pc, so averages with ssd/hdd, junk gpus etc all count as those userbenchmark scores show. That prime score is tailored, it shows only what's possible if you use exactly the same pc, settings, drivers, OS, etc. Which is to say nobody will.
 

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Too much time wasted on talks of the CPU. Both the Intel and Ryzen chips are "fine" for gaming. Sometimes one is better that the other or there isn't much difference. Its all up to the game developer's desire to utilize the AMD strong points or stick with single core pure clock speeds for Intel.

Buy which ever CPU you need to save the money needed to get the gtx1070. If you get the 1060, it will struggle at 1440p and higher. It depends on your monitor. If you have a 1080p monitor and plan on keeping it, then just go with the 1060.

FYI, I have a gtx1080 on a 2700x and it maxes out my monitors refresh rate at its 3k resolutions. Yes, I could have saved a little money by overclocking a cheaper AMD cpu and gotten similar performance, but I have a hot ambient temperature and HATE relying on getting a "good overclocker" with the silicon lottery we must play. Never again as I have bad luck in that department. Don't let someone else tell you what is "worth it" or not since its your time/money.
 
Check this out for CPU comparison

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FncF676dhPg"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTF3cyw7vrk"][/video]

Intel i7-8700K beats R7 2700X by a minimum decent margin and even larger margin in specified titles. R7 2700X is better for productive workload(multi-core workload like video editing and rendering) for gaming i7-8700K is the King.

Check this out for GPU comparison

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvsQ_fNQnk"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_cOVmKPt0&t=33s"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly7p7CvzV3c"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m52806UY9rc"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs_YHuPGR3I"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnHbzj-3xTc"][/video]

There is average of 35% improvement in performance with GTX1080Ti over GTX1080 which is a huge gain.

i7-8700K and GTX1080Ti combo gives you even larger performance gain of around 40-45% over R5 2600X and GTX1080 combo which is huge.

Spend only $40 extra than your budget and get huge performance gain.

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($346.96 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF Z370 Plus Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($110.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($152.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Black PCIe 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card ($749.99 @ B&H)
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1641.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-14 02:02 EDT-0400
 
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Well I now have worked overtime this week which means I have a bit more to spend on the build. Now I've narrowed it down to the 8600k with the Aorus 7 board, and the 2600x and the X470 taichi(also considering both motherboards for the other cpu's). Both of the builds will be using 3200 mhz of RAM(16gb),along with the crucial mx500 500gb ssd and the gtx 1070 ftw by evga. Ryzen build will be right around $1700 with the Intel build at $1750. I do like the fact that the ryzen comes with a cooler and thermal paste. Now I just have to decide between the two cpu's and mobo's.

As far as my monitor goes, I do plan on upgrading to a monitor that has at least 1440p 144hz capabilities in the future. For right now I just have a 1080p 60hz monitor which is why I was considering the 1060(and just sticking with my current monitor).I think for future proofing and upgrade, the 1070 is the better overall choice going forward.
 

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Agreed. No point spending out on a gpu that you won't have long enough to warrant it's expenditure. 2-3 years is one thing, 2-3 months is a whole different beast. Better off going big enough to start with. Although if it's within budget, you might want to consider the 1070ti as well, you'll get slightly better performance at 1440p/144Hz, almost equitable to a 1080.