News Intel CEO Says Arc Gaming GPUs Will Hit Retail, Somewhere

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Who cares , just ship that <Mod Edit> over to reviewers and focus on real competitive high end GPUs for real. Talking and all is just marketing , real facts happens those things get inserted into a PC and are actually tested. And then there is the real price in markets ... To be seen...
 
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Somewhere in China , you know the place where they want to replace everything they buy from the "west" with something designed and built in China.
Trying to keep your market share in China is a long term lose.
 
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Every one is right when they say that more competition on the GPU front is welcome...but unfortunately we do not see that from Arc. Gelsinger is not forthcoming about it--he's the guy that decides--my guess is that if it isn't competitive in a couple of iterations that Intel will pull it, and either start over or else drop it. If this is a good product announcement, then I don't want to see a bad one...;) Gelsinger seems to be laughing at the thing!
 
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Somewhere in China , you know the place where they want to replace everything they buy from the "west" with something designed and built in China.
Trying to keep your market share in China is a long term lose.

Much like we in EU would like to have our products not be blown out of proportion because we have to pay import taxes + VAT, that was Ok-ish when the euro was stronger than the dollar but now it is a slap in the face so internal development and manufacturing is the way to go.
7950x at almost 900 euros? No thanks.
 
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Intel also doesn't have the best timing here. When Intel announced it was getting serious about GPUs, we were in the middle of a massive component shortage that made a third competitor in the space seem like a necessity.
With the five years stale re-heated performance AMD and Nvidia have launched to populate the low-end, the low-end is still in dire need of something around $180 that performs like an RTX3050. A doubled A380 with 8GB/128bits memory would be able to nail that spot.
 

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Is anyonhe able to test or verify that ARC GPUs can really output 40 Gbps signal from their alleged DisplayPort 2.0?
The maximum DP resolution is listed as 8k60, which is ~40Gbps, nothing particularly controversial about it. Feeding a 5GB/s output from a memory system with ~150GB/s of bandwidth shouldn't be much of a challenge. Cables are more likely to be an issue, especially if using something longer than 10'.
 
yup.

they rde the train so long all hype for em is long past.

now its just "get it over already"
The thing is that they don't need any hype.
Whenever they release a product that is good enough to convince the OEMs to use it then that's all they need to do.
They don't need to convince end users to buy one at a time, they need to convince OEMs to buy thousands at a time for their next product line.
 
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Of course Intel is going to sell these already existing cards - the dies were manufactured and the card assembled months ago. Intel promised a Q1 launch.

These cards have been sitting in warehouses waiting for the drivers to get improved (and possible hardware design faults mitigated) to a degree that gamers wouldn't find offensive. Remember the frame pacing issues on the low end A370?

Intel doing these kinds of timed Tweet PR stunts to diffuse speculation changes nothing, because the "ARC is cancelled" claim isn't about Alchemist but further development with Intel graphics.

What is the breadth of Intel's portfolio for Battlemage and Celestial? The prognosis is that they'll only produce maybe a low-end desktop and/or mobile discrete card for each plus some tile for CPU iGPUs. Intel could make it to mid-range GPUs (or beyond) for Druid if all goes well from now on and they can stomach losing money with AXG consumer operations for 3 more years.
 
The maximum DP resolution is listed as 8k60, which is ~40Gbps, nothing particularly controversial about it. Feeding a 5GB/s output from a memory system with ~150GB/s of bandwidth shouldn't be much of a challenge. Cables are more likely to be an issue, especially if using something longer than 10'.

The other issue is if it supports the display format you require. This requires both software and hardware support. You could have the signaling hardware on the backend, but if you don't support the required bitformat, then you are @#$@#%$#$@. This happened with Epson's projectors which listed 18Gbps support. That was their scaler, and not their video processor.
 
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The thing is that they don't need any hype.
Whenever they release a product that is good enough to convince the OEMs to use it then that's all they need to do.
They don't need to convince end users to buy one at a time, they need to convince OEMs to buy thousands at a time for their next product line.

For what it's worth, iBuyPower now has the A380 as an available option in their product configurator, although it doesn't look like it's there on every model of PC. If anyone wants to see, I chose "Gaming PCs | Intel Gaming PCs" from the dropdown at the top of their front page, then scrolled down a bit and selected "customize" under the "Essential Gaming" model. That defaults to a 3060 Ti, and swapping to an A380 drops the price by $300.
 
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